Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 July 26

= July 26 =

Map wrongly placed
I had placed an OSM Location Map on the Dakshineswar page under the sub-heading “Geography” quite high up on the page. The position of the map was okay when I previewed the page, but the moment I saved the page the map moved down considerably. This used to happen earlier with photographs, placed on the left side of a page, but in more recent times it has been alright as on the Kamarhati or Titagarh pages. Please help in setting the page as desired. Cheers. - Chandan Guha (talk) 01:04, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * You placed the map in a section edit so you did not see the effect of other sections in preview. You can get the wanted result with Stack used on the infobox and right-floating image but it will look poorly without a wide screen. See Manual of Style/Images. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:16, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick response. I have placed the map a little further down and it seems to be okay. - Chandan Guha (talk) 02:00, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Harry Levy-Lawson, 1st Viscount Burnham
please check  ref  6  Thanks 203.132.68.1 (talk) 01:36, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * - I changed access-date from 26 April  2105 to 25 July 2018 (when you added it). LittlePuppers (talk) 02:46, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Missing information
Whenever I look up a professional wrestlers Wikipedia no longer does it have a section called "in wrestling". That section displays the wrestlers finishing moves as well as their entrance music. Lately I have noticed that it no longer displays this on any of the pages that I have looked up. I hope this makes sense — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8800:2C0B:6D00:E138:449E:D0FC:4509 (talk) 03:08, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * These sections are coming under extra scrutiny because there is currently a discussion about whether to remove them. I don't think it's closed yet, but there are strong opinions on both sides. Some editors think the sections are trivia and shouldn't be in a proper encyclopedia. Hope that answers your questions.  Tera TIX  04:15, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Correcting an entry written about me
How do I go about correcting the entry for Duncan Robinson art historian (and changing the image)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.223.125.138 (talk) 03:11, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Create a login, and declare your conflict of interest on your user page (see WP:COI), since the article is about you. See WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY for a more extensive discussion. Then, make recommendations for changes to the article on the article's talk page, and another editor will come along and make the changes for you. Note that you must cite reliable sources (WP:RS), because even though you know all the facts, we have no mechanism for verifying that you are in fact you. For the new picture, first make sure that you own the copyright for the picture. Copyright is assumed to belong to the photographer. Then upload the picture file to commons by going to wikimedia commons and then clicking on the "upload" button near the top right of that page, and following the instructions there. You will be required to license the copyright under the CC-BY-SA license as part of that process. If you have trouble with any of this, come on back here and we can try to help. -Arch dude (talk) 05:41, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * ...or, if that is too much hassle for you, just tell us what is wrong and needs to be changed, since we are not psychics.  Tigraan Click here to contact me 11:37, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Category specification
Hi, What would the categories be for a Emeritus professor of paediatrics at the University of Leeds, specifically for this article,Richard Smithells. I can find anything in Category:Professorships. Thanks scope_creep (talk) 09:10, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Remediate an error - how to change a minor edit to a major edit after publishing.
Hi there. I published an edit as a minor edit, but it was actually a major edit.How do I go back and change this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bumblearse (talk • contribs) 11:44, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * You don't. It's not a big deal; just try to be more careful in the future. Matt Deres (talk) 13:19, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * But how strange, the change, from major to minor? --Jameboy (talk) 14:07, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Creating a page that is redirecting to another one
Hi! I'm currently working on articles for the three seasons of The Suite Life of Zack & Cody. However they all redirect to the episode list page. Is there any way for me to stop those pages to redirect to the episode list so I can create them? Thanks! ManuelButera (talk) 14:27, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * A redirect is a page that contains the redirect syntax. You can edit that page to remove the redirect syntax and add your new article in its place, thus converting it from a redirect to a normal article. To reach the redirect page, clink on a link to it, which will redirect you and then click on the little "redirected from xxx" link at the top of that page. once there, proceed normally by clicking the "edit" tab. -Arch dude (talk) 14:49, 26 July 2018 (UTC)


 * But remember,, that the articles you create will effectively be new articles, and will be treated as such. Unless you are confident that you can create an acceptable article on the first attempt, I advise you to use the Article wizard to create them. When you submit your drafts for review, the reviewer who accepts them will handle changing the redirects. --ColinFine (talk) 21:18, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Incorrect treatment of characters as emoji
In the Tropical year article "♈" is used as an astronomical symbol. At some point after the article was written, Wikipedia started treating this as an emoji. How can this problem be corrected? Jc3s5h (talk) 15:07, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Not sure if there's a global fix, but the Emoji presentation template can be used to force a text representation e.g, I'll keep digging for an article wide solution. - X201 (talk) 15:56, 26 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure this is a change at Wikipedia. Wikipedia appears to be sending the Unicode U+2648 and my (Firefox 58.2.0) browser shows this character as the astrological symbol, as in the Aries (astrology) article Have you checked this with multiple browsers? -Arch dude (talk) 16:25, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I am seeing an emoji in Firefox 59.0.2 (see the screenshot at the right). Help Desk screenshot showing Aries emoji.png –FlyingAce✈hello 16:47, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * ... and IE10 is showing the text representation correctly. –FlyingAce✈hello 17:25, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Chrome on my Samsung Android phone shows the Aries symbol in a purple square. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:28, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Here is what I see with Vector skin, Windows 10, Firefox 61.0.1 (64 bit)



I see essentially the same thing, on the same computer and skin, with the Edge browser. The Internet Explorer browser displays it as a text character, no strange treatment. Jc3s5h (talk) 17:29, 26 July 2018 (UTC)


 * There's some relevant discussion at https://stackoverflow.com/questions/32915485/how-to-prevent-unicode-characters-from-rendering-as-emoji-in-html-from-javascript  Maproom (talk) 21:24, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * That was interesting. It seems like it might help if the glyph is present in the font being used. Does anyone know how to figure out which font Wikipedia uses for article body text? Jc3s5h (talk) 21:57, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Entering the ISBN numbers in an Info Box for Books
Can someone please tell me how to enter the ISBN numbers in the Info Box for this book (Not Without Hope)? I have both a 10-digit ISBN and a 13-digit ISBN. But, I cannot seem to make the Info Box template work correctly. These are the numbers:


 * "0061993999" (10-digit) and


 * "978-0061993992" (13-digit)

I don't know if the "quotation marks" are needed or if they are (or are not) a part of the ISBN number. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:58, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I think the documentation for Template:Infobox book is not clear in that regard. I went with the instructions in Template:ISBN and added only the numbers, with no quotation marks. Note that I was only able to add one ISBN – does that work? –FlyingAce✈hello 17:22, 26 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi. Thanks.  Well, that is precisely the issue.  I think (not sure?) that both ISBN numbers are supposed to be added.  And I have no idea how to achieve that.  I had the same problem that you probably had. The Template would not work.  But, for some reason, I think that having both ISBN numbers is somehow important (from a literature perspective or from a library cataloging perspective).  So, ideally, I'd like to have both ISBN numbers added into that Info Box.  Nowadays, most books come with two ISBN Numbers (the 10-digit one and the 13-digit one).  So, I had assumed that this was probably a "settled" issue by now.  And that this must have been done with many other books (on Wikipedia articles).  I had assumed.   Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:03, 26 July 2018 (UTC)


 * ISBN says "Please use the ISBN-13 if both are provided by the original work". --David Biddulph (talk) 18:10, 26 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Great. Thanks!  I am trying to find that section to read it.  In that article (ISBN), where is there a section named "Types"?  I can't find it.  Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:34, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Try ISBN. -Arch dude (talk) 18:38, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, all! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 02:55, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Changes to editing pages
So I have been away from WP for a few weeks (there is only so much arguing with POV warriors I can stand at a time) and I come back and when you try to edit a page everything has changed, stuff lit up in different colours, section headers in larger type. I find it very confusing, what does it all mean, why was it changed, is there some way of putting it back the way it was? Is there somewhere this is explained? Thanks Smeat75 (talk) 17:24, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I just typed the four tildes for my signature, for instance, and now they are lit up in blue. That always meant a link to click on before, I have no idea what it means now. Are you trying to drive editors away? Doing a good job.Smeat75 (talk) 17:27, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The syntax highlighting used to be a beta feature that has now been released; see meta:Community Tech/Wikitext editor syntax highlighting. To turn it off, click the highlighter icon to the left of "Advanced" in the toolbar above the edit area. Personally I have been using it since it was in beta, but I understand your mileage may vary. –FlyingAce✈hello 17:35, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks.Smeat75 (talk) 20:12, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Editing Bad Photo
Hello,

I am hoping to change the photo for one of our clients, Penelope Ann Miller. Her wikipedia page photo is very blurry and has bad lighting. I sent an email to request a change and I was informed that because I have a conflict of interest (I am employed by her manager for film and TV) and to reach out to the talk page to see if anyone would be willing to help change the photo.

Please let me know if you are able to help and if you have any questions please email.

Thank you!

William Karr — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asstmpe (talk • contribs) 17:28, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * This is a two-part problem. First, we need a new photo to be uploaded, and then we need to edit the article to replace the old photo with the new one. The advice you received is completely correct for the editing step, after the new photo is available: see WP:PAID for details, and thank for telling us about your involvement. Now for the new photo: You msut upload teh new photo to wiki commons. To do this, you must first be the copyright holder of the photo, and you must license it to us under the CC-BY-SA licence. To upload and license it, go to the wikicommons Main page, click on the "upload" button near the top right, and follow the instructions. After it's available there, request the article change on the articles talk page. If you have difficulties, come on back here and ask. -Arch dude (talk) 18:29, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

"we should corupt wikipedia" (sic)
There seem to be a hack or in any case something strange and unwanted: when hoovering on the wikilink to corruption I get in the preview, instead of the beginnging of the article the words "we should corupt wikipedia". Does anyone knows how to fix that and understands how that happened? Gfombell (talk) 18:46, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It appears to have been caused by this edit - can you try bypassing your browser's cache and trying again? - TNT 💖 19:02, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification, it worked by [|purging the page] Gfombell (talk) 19:16, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Ann Patricia Bowling
Wiki says my page will be deleted within 7 days as there are no references but there are live references in it and in the copy in my sandbox. Please can you make them live again as I added double square brackets before and live links and I am perplexed now. Thanks for help Ann — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnnQoLAge (talk • contribs) 20:41, 26 July 2018 (UTC)


 * This appears to be about Ann Patricia Bowling. The article is so poorly formatted that is is difficult to determine what is going on here. It could be cleaned up, but before we spend any effort on it, we need to ensure that the subject in notable, as we define the term. See WP:N and specifically WP:PROF. If the subject is not notable the article will be deleted no matter how well it is formatted. If you van briefly state (here or on the article's talk page) why you think the subject meets the our notability criteria, some editor will probably come along to help you clean it up. -Arch dude (talk) 20:51, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * If you are in fact the subject, you should not have put this article into Wikipedia yourself. Please see WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. I think you should probably ask that it be deleted, and then work on your draft until you get the formatting right, and then ask for it to be added as describe in in that guideline. -Arch dude (talk) 20:57, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi thanks but I don't understand as it is in a brief Biography category - i.e. a brief, academic bio in exactly the same format of those of my academic colleagues on WIKI; they provide live references to their own work too, and not to people who have no connection with them who have written about them. I have re-edited my sandbox copy using the Wiki Cite/auto/insert for the references so hopefully they will work better than my Wikki manual double square brackets. Should I have found a different category to move it to to - I appreciate your advice here, thanks A AnnQoLAge (talk) 22:06, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

== Ann Patricia Bowling ==

Hi I did put square brackets round references to my works and the underlined web links to my published papers and books, following Wiki instructions. Can anyone make them live again so it is not deleted as I have failed for ages? thanks A AnnQoLAge (talk) 21:02, 26 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I think that, like many people, you have a misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is, and how it works. Wikipedia has little interest in anything that the subject of an article has said, published, or done, except as discussed in reliably published sources independent of them. A selected bibliography of your work is reasonable as a part of an article about you; but it is the icing on the cake. The important bit, without which no article can be accepted, is reference to places where people who have no connection with you have chosen to write about you at some length, because on these alone can the bulk of the article be based. Please see WP:V. --ColinFine (talk) 21:25, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi yes it is just a brief bio like those of my academic colleagues following the same style. I have got a copy in my sandbox using WIKI inserts to cit/auto/insert my references now. Well I am an internationally recognised academic research specialist on quality of life and ageing but how do I convince you. You could just put my name into Google and see. I would never write a long article about myself for Wiki - as said this is just a short academic bio like those of my colleagues on the site. Advice welcome. What category should I use for upload then and I'll move the copy in my Sandbox with the citations inserted auto? Thank you A AnnQoLAge (talk) 22:16, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Ann, more than 10 million editors have somehow managed to build an encyclopedia with more than 5.6 million articles, over a period of 17 years, while trying to adhere to our policies and guidelines. Please work with us here. Sometimes, we fail, but that's no reason not to try: see Other stuff exists. So, please: do not directly edit an article about yourself, and do provide references to establish you notability per WP:N and WP:PROF. I really do personally wish to help you, and I really will personally work on that article once you provide any evidence of notability, but you need to agree to follow the guidelines instead of arguing about it. There have been about 70,000 editors active on Wikipedia over the past 30 days, and each of them decides what tasks to undertake with no assignment of tasks and (almost) no direction whatsoever. This madness manages to accomplish our goals when we work together. -Arch dude (talk) 23:20, 26 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Did you have any luck looking at WP:N and WP:PROF? -Furicorn (talk) 19:15, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Image use?
What's the policy on using images from twitter. Are they owned by twitter and if so does twitter allow it's use or can we use it, or if they're owned by the uploader is it not usable then? -glove- (talk) 21:43, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * They are owned by the holder to the image's copyright,which is supposed to be the uploader. To use in Wikipedia, you will need to get that holder to license it under CC-BY-SA. -Arch dude (talk) 01:42, 27 July 2018 (UTC)