Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 July 27

= July 27 =

George Soros
I found a lot of information list on George Soros to be incorrect. I live in Budapest, Hungary for two years and what they teach about George Soros is totally different from is post. Recommend doing some research before posting information. He hates America! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevinbeasy (talk • contribs) 01:02, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Please discuss this on the article's talk page. In general, you are not allowed to remove material that is cited in a reliable source. You are are however allowed to add material to the article that you can reference to a reliable source, even if it contradicts material that is already in the article. -Arch dude (talk) 01:40, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

revisions
When you "undo" an edit and the previous edit shows up on a revision is that considered "removed"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:240:4201:C0EE:C93D:6589:8610:3182 (talk) 01:08, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * When you undo an edit, that particular undone edit is removed from the article's current revision; however, you can still view that particular edit in the article's past revisions through the article history link. If this wasn't the question you were intending to ask, or if the answer is not clear, please feel free to ask again. Warmly, Lourdes  17:06, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Question about requested moves
Let's say there's a clear consensus due to a WP:Requested move (which has run for the designated amount of time) to move Page A to Page B. However, Page B already exists as a redirect to Page A and has an edit history, meaning that it can't be automatically deleted when a normal user tries to move Page A to Page B. What would be the best thing to do here? Should the discussion be closed as "moved" and then G6 the redirect? Should the redirect be G6ed, then once it's deleted move the page and close the discussion? Should the discussion be closed, and then file a technical move request for a round-robin page swap? Or vice versa?-- SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 01:20, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I believe the proper way to do this is close the move and file a request at WP:RM/TR. Or at least that's what it says at Requested moves/Closing instructions. It also says to link to the closed RM in the request. The Doctor Who  (talk) 01:31, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Also if you believe you have enough need for the right and meet the requirements listed here then you can file a request for the Page mover right at WP:PERM/PM and preform the move yourself. The Doctor Who  (talk) 01:39, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * (in response to your first post) Ah yes, you're right! I thought I had seen that somewhere, but I couldn't be sure and I couldn't find out where I'd seen it. Thanks for the explanation and the link!


 * (in response to your second post) I am considering possibly requesting for the right in the future. Currently, though, although there have been many times where I've had to move pages and tag the resulting redirect for speedy deletion, I don't think it's necessarily often enough that I would need to have this right. However, I do think I might start closing more requested move discussions in the near future - if I do so, it might be helpful to have the right for certain circumstances.-- SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 01:45, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Where can I solicit suggestions for renaming the title of an article?
Where is the proper place to post this question? I created a new article. Here: Not Without Hope. I have decided to change this from an article about the book, to an article about the boat accident itself. I am having a hard time trying to figure out a good (new) name for the article. Where is the proper place to ask for naming suggestions? Since this is a brand-new article, the article itself (and its Talk Page) get no traffic. Yet. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:01, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * If you really want traffic, one suggestion would be to open an Rfc on the talk page of the article and request for inputs. That'll get you good points. My personal view is that an article on the book is perfect to summarise the incidents. Thanks, Lourdes  07:17, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The boat accident is not notable (see Notability (events)), but the book is, so I'd strongly recommend leaving things as they are. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:22, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree, keep at the current page title, event isn't notable enough Jimfbleak - talk to me?  10:09, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the input. I thought that this was notable. Two NFL players were killed. They have a book about it and a movie about it. They appeared on Oprah Winfrey. It received significant coverage. I had assumed it would be considered notable. No? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:37, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, without commenting on whether the event is notable or not, I would suggest leave the book article as it is. If you really believe the event is notable, you can make a separate article on it. Lourdes  06:35, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, all. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:59, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:20, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Question
I do not clearly understand Wiki and how to write on Wiki?

I don't know why user Hải Trà Add it here?

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/User_talk:H%E1%BA%A3i_Tr%C3%A0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bích Liên 1571 (talk • contribs) 04:02, 27 July 2018 (UTC)


 * You are here at the help desk for the English Wikipedia. You appear to have a question about your user page at our sister project Wikiquote. Wikiquote has its own separate help desk at q:Wikiquote:Village pump. You can try to ask your question there. -Arch dude (talk) 05:37, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

How To Edit on Wikipedia
Dear Wiki,

I am a new member who joined because I googled a fragment that cries out for a full entry. I have now written the biography in MS-Word and wish to post it on Wikipedia.

Can I copy and paste the text into the fragment and/or can I start from scratch and post a replacement entry?

Eager for your reply.

Many Thanks, Old17ProfessorOld17Professor (talk) 18:32, 27 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi . You should edit the existing fragment rather than starting from scratch.  It might be better  to edit one section at a time because there can be problems just pasting from Word.  Please use our referencing method (see WP:Referencing for beginners.  I assume you have read WP:My first article and WP:Biography.   Dbfirs  18:43, 27 July 2018 (UTC)


 * To (slightly) expand on Dbfirs' explanation, MS Word uses a proprietary internal representation that is completely different that Wikipedia's "wikimarkup" internal representation. You need to enter the text using our editor. Fortunately, you can simply cut and paste text from your Word document into our editor, section by section. And thank you for helping. This is exactly the sort of thing we need to make Wikipedia better. -Arch dude (talk) 19:20, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Dear Wikipedia "Archduke,"

Delighted to join your team. I found the deluge of on-line instructions rather confusing because I am a 20th century "paint by the numbers" analog kind of guy. But once I got started it turned out Wikipedia editing is quote user-friendly. I pasted in my article, written in Wiki format, and then went in again and figured out to post footnotes. I am very satisfied customer.

BTW, the article I posted was a biography of John Bruce Medaris.

Best Wishes, Old17Professor — Preceding unsigned comment added by Old17Professor (talk • contribs) 19:29, 27 July 2018 (UTC)


 * The article needs formatting with in-line references. See WP:Referencing for beginners.  The contents list is automatic once you format the headings correctly.  The whole article reads like an essay.  It needs re-writing in a neutral encyclopaedic tone. Sorry to criticise — you obviously have lots of information on the subject.  <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  19:40, 27 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, . You might find it helpful to read WP:Expert editors. --ColinFine (talk) 21:50, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Game rulebook as a reference
Hi - I'm looking at adding some more citations to Machi Koro. So my question is how appropriate is the game rulebook itself as a source (particularly regarding any gameplay mechanics). It seems to be fine under WP:PRIMARY (I also have some secondary sources to go with it), but as I'm still fairly inexperienced I wanted to double check. Thanks!

Mechimp (talk) 23:33, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * You are doing just fine. You found the proper policy, which lists the correct way to use (and especially not use) a primary source. So go ahead, while following the policy. As a new editor the most difficult of the guidelines will probably be the avoidance of original research. -Arch dude (talk) 01:03, 28 July 2018 (UTC)