Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 June 22

= June 22 =

Web citation with a comment
When you want to set a reference with Template:Cite web and an additional comment (not a quote from the source) ... the only way is to write the comment outside of the template - there is no parameter for that purpose. Right? Is this the same situation for all like templates used for references? --KnightMove (talk) 11:48, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * yes
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 11:49, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input
On the Death Grips Year of the Snitch album page, I removed a piece of text that was attached to a reference, however I cannot figure out how to remove the respective reference. The text deleted was referencing the album being leaked, when it all actuality the album was released in countries that are a day ahead of the United States, which caused internet users from the United States to rip the album from the respective countries' media platforms. The reference stands towards a statement made towards the end of that line, which was rather redundant, that said the album was released on multimedia platforms, which most mainstream artists do.

Once again, I'd like to know how to remove a reference from the page to increase its accuracy.

I appreciate it,

Hunter Johnson — Preceding unsigned comment added by H7Johnson (talk • contribs) 12:53, 22 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Greetings to you. Content needs to supported by independent, reliable source. If the source did not indicated what the content claimed than the content should not be there, unless a new source that reflects the content would be replaced the formal. What you need to do is to removed the wrong reference and replace a new,correct one. Let us know if anything else we could help.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 13:11, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Your initial edit successfully removed the content AFAICT but this edit added extraneous ref tags which produced the error message. Now removed. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes . Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 13:15, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

False Information
A year a go, I worked with Wikipedia to correct a page that was written on me. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Stevens#/editor/0

It when the final version was written it was agreed that the information reagarding the navy ratings changes would not be included because the information that was entered was incorrect. As such is it was deleted. Subsequently, today someone went back in and entered once again inaccurate information, base not on fact but hearsay media. I have gone in and deleated the information and would be grateful it remains as is. Thanks you, Mike Stevens 13th MCPON (ret) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 13thMCPON (talk • contribs) 14:18, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It should be back to the September version now, though I've tweaked "spearheaded" to "oversaw." --tronvillain (talk) 14:59, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Is there any particular reason you have registered yet another username? This is I think the third one you have used(never at the same time). 331dot (talk) 16:59, 22 June 2018 (UTC)


 * The OP should note that there is never any such thing as a "final version" of a Wikipedia article.
 * Firstly, unless temporarily (one hopes) protected (usually to prevent persistent vandalism), all articles can be edited by anyone, so there is always a possibility that a user will find incorrect information somewhere and, not realising it has previously been rejected, insert it in good faith. Further editing to remove it once more is just part of the neverending process.
 * Secondly, any article must remain open to additions of further information, improvements in presentation, etc.
 * Thirdly, allowing an "official" locked down version would potentially enable article subjects or their allies to present a sanitised account of themselves, rather than a comprehensive and neutral one.
 * Incidentally, the subject of an article ought not to carry out edits to that article, but instead present edit requests, including specific wording changes and citations to published reliable sources, on the article's Talk page so that somone with no conflict of interest can assess the request and carry it out if it is judged appropriate. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.125.75.224 (talk) 21:32, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Editing a hidden category
The references section of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivorous_Plant_Newsletter has several broken links that I want to fix. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Carnivorous_Plant_Newsletter&action=edit&section=11 However, when I am in edit source mode, none of the references are visible to edit. How do I access this area to edit?

I tried the FAQ, but could not find the answer.

BobZ-US (talk) 21:39, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Can you clarify exactly what you are trying to change? I cannot see any obvious broken links in the refs section or any dead links tagged in the article content. If you are trying to edit a reference, these are within the 'mark-up' at the point where the ref No. appears. If I have misunderstood the problem please post further here. Thanks. Eagleash (talk) 21:48, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

For example, I want to change the link in  ^ Origins of Carnivorous Plant Newsletter. International Carnivorous Plant Society. 

http://www.carnivorousplants.org/cpn/cpn1.html to http://www.carnivorousplants.org/cpn/origins BobZ-US (talk) 22:13, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * References are usually edited in the section where the reference is used and not in the section where it is displayed. If you click "^" at the start of the mentioned reference then you are taken to a sentence in the section Carnivorous Plant Newsletter. The reference can be edited there. If you click the "Edit" tab at top of the page then you can edit the whole page and not just a section. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:23, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I think I'm right in saying you are intending to edit the reference which appears as No.6 in the refs. section. You will find this in the section of the article headed 'History and editorship', at the end of the 3rd para (not including the quote) after the words '(for page layout)'. Click 'edit source' by the section heading or, if that is not available to you, at the top of the article and scroll down till you find the reference. If you change the ref., (and this is very important) please ensure that it still supports the content. To quickly locate a ref in future, click on the little blue arrow next to it in the refs section. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 22:33, 22 June 2018 (UTC)