Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 June 28

= June 28 =

Jimmy Wales, Larry Sanger Email.
Hello, Hope You're fine. please provide Jimmy and Larry Email Address or contact ASAP. Thanks

Regards Sohaib Ahmed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.120.215.234 (talk) 11:47, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Jimmy Wales has contact information on his user page: User:Jimbo Wales.  Larry Sanger has a "Contact me" link on his website, http://www.larrysanger.org/contact.  Deli nk (talk) 13:41, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Paid-contribution disclosure
Hello! I´ve a short question concerning the paid-contribution disclosure. Is there a way within the article to declare that it has been paid? Or is this only possible on the user page and the discussion page? Thank you so much for your support!

--Gunnar Römer (talk) 12:58, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Gunnar Römer There shouldn't be any extraneous material on the article page. You need to post the declaration on your user page, and a connected-contributor notice on the article talk page, as you correctly state. You could add a Twinkle COI tag, which as a maintenance item is acceptable Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  13:34, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your information. Where can I find the article talk page? Sorry, I'm still relatively new here on Wikipedia.

--Gunnar Römer (talk) 14:04, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Assuming you are editing from a desktop, at the top right of article pages, you will find tabs "read/edit/view history", and at the top left "article/talk". Clicking the top left "talk" will bring you to the talk page. The tab may be red, in which case the page does not exist yet (but that should not stop you from creating it, if you have something to say). Alternatively, the talk page of is located at Talk:, so you can edit the URL directly.
 * For instance, the talk page of Embolic stroke of undetermined source is Talk:Embolic stroke of undetermined source (which does not exist yet, but again feel free to click the red link and create it regardless).
 * May I also suggest you give a read to Help:Talk pages? Tigraan Click here to contact me 14:12, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

User warning template about civility
Good day! Does anyone know what the syntax for the user warning template about civility? It should be something like Template:uw-archive. Please ping me when you respond. --Jax 0677 (talk) 13:03, 28 June 2018 (UTC)


 * , you are probably looking for Template:Uw-npa1 and its various escalation levels. GermanJoe (talk) 13:46, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

What to do about a reference using an external link to a website that is defunct
Applewarrior.com appears to have been a website covering the history of Wales. It is used as a reference on several pages. As far as I can tell, it was used in good faith; however, the web address applewarrior.com is now defunct and just redirects to unrelated advertising pages. What's the proper way of removing these links from active use without losing the useful reference? I don't know how to find an appropriate archive at Wayback Machine or another service and link to that without linking to the current website. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Deli nk (talk) 13:32, 28 June 2018 (UTC)


 * , Template:cite web mentions a special parameter setting to suppress the display of a malicious URL altogether: "dead-url=unfit" or "dead-url=usurped" (see documentation for more info). I have not tested this parameter myself, but it's probably worth looking into it (it seems like some of the original valid links are available at Internet Archive with the correct content). GermanJoe (talk) 13:42, 28 June 2018 (UTC)


 * In this edit, I put the reference into the cite web template and included the parameter "dead-url=usurped", but it doesn't suppress link to the usurped website. After reading the documentation at cite web, I can't figure out what to do differently to suppress the link.  Deli nk (talk) 13:51, 28 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Adding the archive values seems to activate the feature, looks OK now. If you can't find a valid archive at all, I would suggest to convert the citation into an offline citation (you could deactivate the malicious URL and put it into a hidden note as documentation in such cases). GermanJoe (talk) 13:58, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help. I find it a bit surprising that you can't suppress a link without supplying another.  Converting the citation into an offline reference seems the best solution.  Thanks again.  Deli nk (talk) 14:04, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

correction of age and date of birth
In two URLs for my Wikipedia entry -- but not in the entry itself -- my date of birth is listed as 1946 and my age as 71. Neither is the case. I was born in 1948 and am 69. Could the correct information be substituted for the incorrect information? These are the URLs:

https://www.google.com/search?q=jay+bergman&rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS751US751&oq=jay+bergman&aqs=chrome..69i57j0j69i60l2j0l2.8991j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Bergman

Thank you in advance for your assistance!

Jay Bergman — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.152.23.48 (talk) 15:16, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

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 * The article on Jay Bergman (historian) doesn't mention an age or year of birth. The disambiguation page does, and I've changed it to 1948.  If you prefer, we can remove the year of birth since it is unreferenced.  Does your Google search give an age?  If so, then you will have to take up the matter with Google because they merge information from different sources.  It is possible that they picked up 1946 from Wikipedia when it was added in February this year (against Wikipedia policy), but the year was removed after a few days.   Dbfirs  15:51, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I removed the DoB from Jay Bergman (the "disambiguation page" in Wikipedia's parlance) as well. Even if the IP editor is indeed Jay Bergman and prefers to have it listed, WP:V is a thing, and I cannot find a source. FWIW indicates JB got their BA in 1970, which makes 1948 more likely correct than 1946 (age 22 vs. 24), but that's guessing, not sourcing.  Tigraan Click here to contact me 16:19, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, perhaps I should have done that because I can't find a source either. <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  16:23, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Does Google's infobox pull from Wikidata? If so, the 1946 date was still listed at Q6166394. I have deleted it. Wikidata cited the date to http://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb12675171x, and http://www.isni.org/0000000107973663 lists it as 1946 as well (VIAF also cites that date, but claims it came from BNF and ISNI). --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#00F;display:inline-block;padding:1px 1px 0;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK
 * Thanks for those links, but I don't know what to conclude. It's best that we don't list any year, but Google will probably still pick up the dates from elsewhere.   <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  21:09, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Linus Pauling - cause of death ambiguity
When doing a search with Apple Siri of Linus Pauling his cause of death is listed as “breast cancer”. The link to the Wikipedia article lists his death as “prostate cancer”. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8800:400:636:4428:F763:E763:313D (talk) 18:48, 28 June 2018 (UTC) PAGE ]]) 20:55, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Siri is pulling the information from Wikidata. I have corrected the cause of death at Q48983. In the future, you can find the Wikidata entry for any Wikipedia page by clicking the "Wikidata item" link on the left of the screen. --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#00F;display:inline-block;padding:1px 1px 0;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK
 * And there's a lot of crap on Wikidata. DuncanHill (talk) 00:12, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Verifying fair use
To patrollers and administrators,

Please, take a look at File:Danish Order of Freemasons (Den Danske Frimurerorden) - logo.png:

"To patrollers and administrators: If this image has an 'appropriate' rationale please append  as a parameter to the license template."

If the rationale is okay, please mark it so. --PetersenAndersen (talk). —Preceding undated comment added 00:39, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Done. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here to contact me 14:31, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Help with gridiron color templates in userbox
I was experimenting with using Template:Gridiron primary color raw and other related templates in userboxes. For example, I had created the following userbox for the BC Lions:

And it rendered perfectly with the colours from the template. Today, I revisited the userboxes and I see this:

All I see is a white infobox with "BC" and "this user is a fan of the" in black. Did I do something wrong? UmpireRay (talk) 04:35, 28 June 2018 (UTC) PAGE ]]) 14:05, 28 June 2018 (UTC) PAGE ]]) 14:18, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It worked before [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module:Gridiron_color&diff=847781772&oldid=847053459 this] edit to Module:Gridiron color by Ahecht. I don't know Lua or the module and templates but Ahecht can hopefully comment. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:16, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * That's strange, all my testcases worked when I tested that edit. I guess some templates are more sensitive than others to how the # is rendered. It should be working now. --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#00F;display:inline-block;padding:1px 1px 0;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK
 * Also, as a quick note, using white text of the size you originally posted along with the orange background doesn't meet the accessibility requirements of MOS:CONTRAST. White text against that color background would have to be 14pt and bold or 18pt to be sufficient. I've modified the example above to make it pass the accessibility requirements. See https://webaim.org/resources/contrastchecker/?fcolor=FFFFFF&bcolor=F15524 for a quick tool for checking this in the future. --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#00F;display:inline-block;padding:1px 1px 0;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK
 * Thank you all very much! UmpireRay (talk) 17:06, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

The VOC ship Schoonenberg
On 27 June 2018 I submitted for review a draft page under the above title. I cannot find this anywhere. Maybe something went wrong with the submission. Please help!

Jan Malan Jan G. Malan (talk) 08:13, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * This question is the only edit by your account but User:Jan Malan submitted Draft:The VOC ship Schoonenberg. It is waiting to be reviewed. The search box only searches articles by default but drafts and other pages are included if you click "Everything" on the search results page. There is also Draft:The Wreck of the VOC Ship Schoonenberg ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:The_Wreck_of_the_VOC_Ship_Schoonenberg&oldid=847505384 page creation]) created 25 June 2018 by an unregistered user with nearly identical content. It was not submitted for review and I have redirected it to Draft:The VOC ship Schoonenberg which appears to be a newer version. Note however Manual of Style. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:05, 28 June 2018 (UTC)