Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 March 13

= March 13 =

Aaron Moores
Paralympic swimmer

Aaron was born in Swansea NOT Trowbridge and was inducted into the Welsh sports hall of fame in 2016. In 2017 he was made an OBE — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.156.126.133 (talk) 06:58, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi IP, you will need sources for the provided information. His place of birth is sourced as being Trowbridge. NZFC  (talk) 07:51, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

william russell actor
William Russell's second wife is Etheline Margareth Lewis, born in Rio de Janeiro. She is the mother of Alfred Enoch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.6.217.125 (talk) 11:01, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Please make your points at the talk page of the article you are concerned about, ensuring that you cite an independent published source for the information you wish to add or change Noyster (talk),  13:30, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


 * If you are comfortable editing, you can also just change the article yourself, but please provide sources as references: see WP:referencing for beginners.-Arch dude (talk) 03:33, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

All time point leaders in the nhl
Why is Joe thornton in the wrong spot? He has 1426 points and is further down the list then he should be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.157.93 (talk) 12:35, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Please make your points at the talk page of the article you are concerned about, ensuring that you cite an independent published source for the information you wish to add or change Noyster (talk),  13:30, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Help over at Criticism of Facebook
Could I ask for some help over at Criticism of Facebook - two editors (SafietouSONKO TPT and AntoineURBAN TPT) are adding information in good faith, but I'm not sure that it's valid (ie not actually critical of FB) reliably sourced, well phrased - or a combination of all.

I've already reverted a few of their edits, (as have other editors on other pages) and they are engaging on talk pages, but they appear to be students on some kind of class project.

I don't want to be seen as the bad guy constantly reverting good faith work, so would anybody else mind popping over and having a look to see if anything can be done to support? I've given them links to the Training/For students article, and a few pointers. Chaheel Riens (talk) 12:56, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mortenbredal (talk • contribs) 13 March 2018 13:37 (UTC)
 * Probably relates to Georg Jensen A/S. Eagleash (talk) 14:56, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

article maps
Can Wikipedia change the maps featured in articles to allow study of the region such as Google maps offers? It would be nice to zoom in/out to check out adjacent features of geography and cities. Just a thought! Thank-you to all who participate editors, users and donators. Aaron Swartz would be proud of you! His statement that it is a moral imperative to have the knowledge of the world available to everyone appears to be your mantra. Live long and prosper! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:39C0:E80:7841:9BE:61E2:637F (talk) 14:50, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello anon. For articles which include map coordinates in the upper right, you can click on these to see a range of mapping services (see here for example]). Other than that, unfortunate for us, but as far as I know, these types of mapping services are privately owned in a way which means they can't be used on Wikipedia, because with only a few exceptions, content on Wikipedia has to be free to the public. That means someone would have to program a whole new mapping service and donate it for us to use, and as far as I know, no one yet has.  G M G  talk   16:38, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * well, there is OpenStreetMap. The real problems are (1) that many article maps are static (i.e. a still picture) and (2) that making a scrollable/zoomable map into every article means quite an increase in page weight, which is against our goals to be accessible to slow connections. But neither of these means the IP's request is totally unreasonable or unfeasible. Tigraan Click here to contact me 11:03, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm. That's ineresting Tigraan. On the face of it, it does look like the license would be compatible with CCBYSA, or at least I'm missing it if there's a major issue. I'm not really tech savvy (at all), but my intuition is that you'd be right, and it would significantly increase data requirements, especially for people in the developing world who are wholly reliant on meh mobile infrastructure. I would imagine there should be some way that could be technically overcome by doing something like chopping the database into smaller bits depending on the geographical area, but that would be a matter of finding someone with the expertise and time to do it, and I don't see the WMF doing it for us.  G M G  talk   11:43, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually, there already is a mediawiki software for that kind of stuff: see mw:GeoHack. However as far as I correctly read the docs they only generate coordinates (see e.g. Template:Coord) and links to outside map services (including but not limited to OSM), but cannot display a map itself. The technical side does not look as hard as you seem to think it is (we can just copy from whatever map database and viewer under something CC-BY-SA-compatible exists, and one surely does exist does even if it is not OSM). My objection was more about the policy side of whether interactive maps by default would be a good idea because of users' bandwidth (I believe the cost in WMF bandwidth would be manageable; even if a lot of article get interactive maps, few readers will actually play with them and fetch tons of data) and editors' convenience of just linking an image on Commons rather than needing arcane template knowledge.
 * FYI (if you want to read the associated articles...) the technicalities of how data goes through the network at which point is a classic problem called lazy loading (of course the details are a tad complex and I myself probably know less than 1% of the tricks that go into a full product such as GMaps, but we are already a bit off-topic here). Tigraan Click here to contact me 13:25, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

I would like to report a vehicular crime.
Is there any way I can speak to an agent about that.And I would Like to be featured on Wikipedia as a Martial artists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.174.50.1 (talk) 16:53, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Vehicle crime is something you would report to local law enforcement. There's nothing Wikipedia volunteers can do for you on that. And you will be written up on Wikipedia as a martial artist once reliable sources are available to demonstrate that you are notable.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 17:08, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Wrong Cemetery on pages.
On your pages you have Santa Barbara Cemetery in Albuquerque, NM and it is in fact in Santa Barbara, CA some of the actors and actress we have say Albuquerque and that is incorrect...we have had complaints and it isn't our fault.

Thank you for changing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.191.157.210 (talk) 16:58, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, IP user. There is a Santa Barbara Cemetery in Albuquerque, and it seems likely that that is where Néstor Montoya and Mariano S. Otero are indeed buried. I can't find any other instances of "Santa Barbara Cemetery" in Wikipedia, so I'm not sure which pages you are talking about. Symbol move vote.svg Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. The same feedback facility is also provided on Bing and some other search engines.. --ColinFine (talk) 18:02, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Please link the pages you refer to. I suspect they are not related to Wikipedia so it's ironic you say "we have had complaints and it isn't our fault". PrimeHunter (talk) 18:51, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Troll is hunting me
A troll from Greek Wikipedia, which follows me and undoes my entries there, has spotted me here and it is obvious that tries to initiate an edit war. Where should I tell my story? (Conserning the article Christian persecution complex, that is my first article in en.WP.) Τζερόνυμο (talk) 18:24, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Hey Τζερόνυμο. Probably an issue for WP:ANI, but before you start a thread there I would recommend you are sure you can concisely demonstrate through diffs what the problem is as it relates to the English Wikipedia. The community here generally can't affect very much disruption that mostly takes place on other projects.  G M G  talk   20:32, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you  G M G  ! Τζερόνυμο (talk) 06:01, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

change article name to avoid conflict
I created an entry called "Nial" in 1996 or so. I am the author of a programming language of that name and had a domain name nial.com for my company Nial Systems Limited. I have now closed the company and sold the rights to the domain name. I would like to rename the article QNial7 and rewrite it to refer to the opens source project of that name on GitHub. I attempted to just delete the Nial entry with the intention of replacing it with the new one. However it was restored by ClueBot NG.

Please advise me on how to proceed.

Mike Jenkins Emeritus Professor School of Computing Queen's University at Kingston Canada — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46will (talk • contribs) 19:11, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Mike, as the article Nial seems to be notable (I saw some good reliable sources online), I don't think you will be successful in getting the article deleted. My suggestion would be that you should simply update the Nial article, especially the section where it talks about Q'Nial, with the details that the company has now closed down. While I've noticed sources available online, the article currently has few of those reliable sources. Wikipedia's verifiability policy needs you to support any added material with properly cited reliable sources. So do please keep that in mind while adding any new statement to the article.
 * For your benefit, I have created QNial7 as a redirect to the Q'Nial section in the main article Nial. Therefore, if anyone searches for QNial7, they would be redirected to the main Nial article. Feel free to ask more, if you need additional help. Lourdes  23:40, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Page is not showing
Dear, I created a page on wikipedia and i Made 10 changes in the same page as required but still my page is not showing in wikipedia search. Can anyone guide me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prof. Dr. Mubasher Hussain (talk • contribs) 20:16, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * You created a user page, which is not the same thing as an article.
 * Also, your user page has been deleted because it violated our policy against using user pages as webhosts (Wikipedia is not a resume hosting site). I've explained some other issues on your user talk page.  Basically, Wikipedia is not the place to promote your career.  Ian.thomson (talk) 20:26, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Sophie, Countess of Wessex
Ref number  1 is  incorrectly done -  but I  aM  not  sure   why - please fix if able. Thanks  very  much175.32.4.104 (talk) 23:46, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The access date was 16 March 2018 - in the future, which is impossible. Ruslik_ Zero 23:59, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Because you (as Srbernadette) put 16 March as the access date; and that's still a day or two in the future. Eagleash (talk) 00:01, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
 * , the "help" link given against the reference clearly mentioned that dates cannot have impossible entries. As has been witnessed previously, you added the incorrect and impossible date in the article, then waited for others to clean up after you. I'll request you to preview your edits multiple times and liberally use the "help" suggestions before finalizing your edits. Lourdes  00:07, 14 March 2018 (UTC)