Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 November 12

= November 12 =

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Is there a way to search for an exact phrase in past versions of Wikipedia? Benjamin (talk) 08:45, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Not in general. WikiBlame can search a single page history for the revision where a string was added. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:12, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Approval of a Draft
Hello Team,

I have an article which I wrote, here is the link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Obi_Ozor

Please, when does it go live and become a live article from the draft.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adebowale.J (talk • contribs) 09:21, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * You will need to submit it for review, however, if you were to do so now, it would most likely be rejected, as the sources given are not appropriate. They are not independent reliable sources.  One is a piece written by the subject, and the others seem to be press releases, which do not establish notability per guidelines(please review). Wikipedia is looking for what independent reliable sources state about article subjects with significant coverage, not what the subject says about themselves.
 * I would ask you if you are associated with Mr. Ozor in some way. 331dot (talk) 09:34, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Two accounts, one email
I seem to have two accounts, as a created a new one after being away for a long time. But, the email is the same. User:Gsoler User:Geirsole What should I do about it? Gsoler (talk) 09:51, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Having a single email for two accounts is no issue; for instance, I have the same email on and.
 * The simplest thing to do is simply to stop editing with one of the two accounts and stick with the other. You might want to drop a note on the userpages acknowledging the link between the two accounts.
 * What you should not do is use both accounts to participate in the same discussions, or otherwise use them to mislead other editors into thinking you are two persons. Tigraan Click here to contact me 09:59, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. I just didn't realize I was using 2 accounts on same discussion. My apologies Geirsole (talk) 11:40, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think that Tigraan was implying that you were; more to indicate that it is something you should avoid. You can find more info. about alternative accounts at WP:ALTACCN. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 11:50, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I've now marked one acount as inactive, with link to the other. Thanks for your help! Gsoler (talk) 08:21, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Deletion
You will be able to deduce from your records that I have only ever posted one entry, almost 10 Years ago. This means I do not have the knowledge or dexterity that comes with regular use to delete this entry, which I would now like to do. I see from the posts I have received today that my attempts last night have been 'reverted' and the article has reappeared ! To be absolutely clear - I want both the body of text and subject header removing from Wikipedia. It appears that specific reasons have to be provided to justify and substantiate such requests - which follow: 'The article is no longer relevant, moreover it has been edited numerous times and the content perverted, without my knowledge, agreement or permission'. If Wikipedia are able to satisfy this request without my involvement then you have my approval herewith. I sincerely hope so as the reversions were undertake with extreme rapidity. If this request cannot be fulfilled on my behalf then please provide me with clear and simple, unambiguous steps for me to undertake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DWLambo (talk • contribs) 12:53, 12 November 2018 (UTC)


 * DWLambo, you cannot delete an article, that is an admin action, you were only blanking it. You cannot own an article, even if you are the main editor or if it's about you. You need to make a case why this article should be deleted for reasons other than that you wish it to be Jimfbleak - talk to me?  13:11, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * DWLambo, I've reverted the obvious vandalism, and since the references are dead, I've proposed it for deletion as an unsourced biography. Let's see what happens Jimfbleak - talk to me?  13:18, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I've found him as ranking #10 in the 2010 Commonwealth Games. Athletics is so not my bailiwick; but does "participant in the Commonwealth Games" qualify one as notable in this area? -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  13:40, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Orange Mike, the notability guidelines say top 8 in Commonwealth Games, so he arguably falls just outside. I'm not sure, having said that, that an AFD would chuck this Jimfbleak - talk to me?  15:09, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Linda Cable messed up with Amit Offir  Help for Sandbox renamed page
Hi ! I would like some help for my sandbox, I published my last draft to mainstram: Heralune/Sandbox/Amit Offir to Amit Offir but on my sandbox I still have a redirection. Now would like to create another new draft for a page:Linda Cable, but it's messing up immediately with the old draft. Who can explain me ? thanks for help. Heralune (talk) 16:00, 12 November 2018 (UTC)


 * You moved the sandbox, but I have moved it back again, & another user has cleared the redirect. You can start again with the new content.  As an alternative you could create a new userspace draft at User:Heralune/Linda Cable. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:15, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Air Force Cross (United Kingdom)........See also: Category:Recipients of the Air Force Cross (United Kingdom)
Dear Sir or Madam,

I have found you have omitted from the following list my late father Leopold Penczek (AFC)(Virtuti Militari), born Leopold Marcin Pęczek on the 11.11.1914 in Barwałd Górny, Kalwaria-Zebrzydowska, Polska (Poland).

See also: Category:Recipients of the Air Force Cross (United Kingdom)

The “London Gazette” dated Friday 2 March 1956 entry for this awards is as follows:-

“Air Ministry, 6th March 1956.

The QUEEN has been graciously pleased to approve the following award in recognition of gallantry and devotion to duty.

AIR FORCE CROSS.

Master Pilot Leopold PENCZEK (780123), Royal Air Force, No. 242 Operational Conversion Unit. On 24th November 1955, while flying a Valetta aircraft as staff captain on a cross country flight, Master Pilot Penczek suddenly found that the elevator controls had seized and that there was no for and aft control. However, he found that by varying the power settings he was able to control the pitch altitude of the aircraft. He made a Pan call and was “homed” to Marham where, after ordering his crew to crash positions, he made a flapless approach. This required great skill and very considerable courage, since he was quite unaware of the cause of the failure of the elevator control and he had no means of knowing whether or not it was due to some form of structural failure which might well be aggravated by the additional stresses involved in landing. Nevertheless, he landed the aircraft safely and without damage. Throughout the whole of this emergency, Master Pilot Penczek displayed the highest qualities of courage, coolness and leadership. There is no doubt that his fine airmanship, for which he has previously received the Commendation of the Air Officer Commanding-in-Chief, was once again responsible for saving a valuable aircraft and, possibly, the lives of its crew.”

I hope this omission can be put right......... Yours faithfully Julian M Penczek (His son) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.172.235.76 (talk) 17:34, 12 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Category:Recipients of the Air Force Cross (United Kingdom) is a category for listing relevant Wikipedia articles. If your father does not have a Wikipedia article, then the category will not show his name.  While your late father obviously merited congratulations on the award of the AFC, it doesn't of itself satisfy the requirements of notability to permit the inclusion of a Wikipedia article.  The relevant notability guideline says (inter alia): "Were awarded their nation's highest award for valour,[1] or were awarded their nation's second-highest award for valour (such as the Navy Cross) multiple times", hence he would have needed a VC, rather than an AFC, to merit automatic inclusion in Wikipedia.  He would, of course, merit an article if it were shown that he met the General notability guideline. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:53, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text
Hi, I've just used WP:ReFill on the Kate Tempest article and it's brought up a "Cite error: The named reference auto was invoked but never defined (see the help page)." error,

I don't suppose someone could kindly fix this as I have no idea what's causing the issue,

Many thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 18:00, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * My advice it to stop using that piece of crap. reFill produces much too much junk that requires manual fixing.  It has been my experience that there are too may editors who operate that 'tool' who leave the fixing to others, so thank you for being conscientious.  The tool's author, Zhaofeng Li has not edited here since December 2017 and the most recent update to the reFill code was made in April 2017.  Stop using it.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 18:15, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * - Thanks for your help!, I have self reverted to save the "ReFill is shit" and "If you don't understand it don't use it!!" replies. – Davey 2010 Talk 18:26, 12 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Your problem is that your definition of the relevant named references is within a section that has been commented out (at the start of the "Reception" section of the article). Much, if not all, of the relevant text is duplicated later in the part which isn't commented out. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:23, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi David, Ohhh right, Well as I've said above I've self reverted now, Someone else can fix it all for I care. Thanks for your reply anyway, – Davey 2010 Talk 18:30, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

IP edits
Hi, hopefully a quick question. For an unregistered user to create a Wikipedia article, they need to be autoconfirmed, which means they need 10 unreverted edits. Is this correct? Thank you, Tom — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomthirteen (talk • contribs) 19:21, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Unregistered users cannot become autoconfirmed. Only registered users may become autoconfirmed.  The usual requirement is an account that is at least 4 days old and 10 edits, but it can be longer in some cases.  See WP:AUTOCONFIRM.  RudolfRed (talk) 19:43, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * And for the other part of your question, deleted edits count towards the edit count. RudolfRed (talk) 19:45, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm confused. Can an unregistered user, IP edit, create a Wikipedia article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomthirteen (talk • contribs) 19:54, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Unregistered users (also known as IP editors) can edit articles. They cannot directly create them.  "IP edit" is not an action.  Editing is an action that can be performed by unregistered users (IP editors) or registered users (editors with accounts).
 * You are a registered user. Becoming autoconfirmed is a matter of being here at least 4 days and having at least 10 edits (whether they are reverted or not, although someone whose first ten edits are reverted within 4 days probably needs to slow down).  Ian.thomson (talk) 20:01, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! That's what I needed to know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomthirteen (talk • contribs) 20:02, 12 November 2018 (UTC)