Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 November 19

= November 19 =

Mater Christi College
Ref 1   -  please  check  that  publisher  is  correct -  I  got it  wrong. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 00:41, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Date in publisher param. Eagleash (talk) 00:55, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

remove date of birth please
This is Carol Jiani please remove the incorrect date of birth on Google search it says born 1950 and i am 68 years old. This is wrong and incorrect and i do not want o share such private matter with the public please remove this information it is wrong thanks

Carol Jiani — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caroljiani (talk • contribs) 03:23, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, . We have no control over what Google search displays in their knowledge box. Some - but not all - of it is sourced from Wikipedia, but it's beyond our control what they put there and where it's from. Your issue is between you and Google. You can click on the "Feedback" link on the knowledge box in Google search to report errors to them. I hope this helps. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:42, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Change Email
I'm a student who was editing as a part of course. Can I keep on using my account, even though I'm not in the course anymore? Can I put in another email, because I'm interested in adding content to some other pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by M20farh (talk • contribs) 10:27, 19 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, you can carry on using the same account. If your email address has changed, you can register the new one using the Preferences link at the top of any page. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:33, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * You may want to update User:M20farh. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:23, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, thanks for staying with us and helping out! -Arch dude (talk) 17:24, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

I just changed my email address, they didn't let me change me my username which is okay. Also, it is my pleasure to help out. -User talk:M20farh —Preceding undated comment added 23:50, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

About speedy deletion
Are files eligible for CSD G5? CoolSkittle (talk) 12:51, 19 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, see WP:GCSD. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:21, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

How does one prevent technical errors from returning over and over?
I am not a frequent contributor to Wikipedia. That said, I once read an article in the topic of Superchargers ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercharger ), and found that the discussion on turbochargers within that topic was incorrect. I am a retired Engineering Manager who worked for 35 years at Caterpillar Inc., in the area of product development. I am very familiar with turbochargers.

The start of the error in the Wikipedia article is at this phrase at

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercharger

and the discussion goes on and on trying to justify this false statement:

"The amount of power in the gas is proportional to the difference between the exhaust pressure and air pressure"

That statement is flat-out wrong. Turbochargers are a heat engine, and the power of a turbocharger is derived from extracting the heat energy of the exhaust gasses to create power.

I attempted to fix this by editing the article in 2009. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Turbocharger#turbine_section_is_a_heat_engine?_What?

The problem is that people who do not understand how a turbocharger works, go back repeatedly to the erroneous belief that all the power is derived from differential air pressure. That's false. If it was true, all airplanes powered by jet engines would not fly. But they do, because the jet engines use the same Brayton Cycle to generate power from the heat energy of the gas, just as a turbocharger does.

Here is an example of a discussion that has it right:

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/678314-a-turbocharger-is-a-heat-engine.html

I don't have the time to keep repeatedly fixing the Wikipedia article. But the fact that this serious error remains on this topic shakes my confidence in other topics on Wikipedia.

Is there some way to fix this, perhaps by a moderated debate, so that the correct solution sticks?

Terry Quinn — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tquinn2 (talk • contribs) 14:17, 19 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Perhaps by dropping your pseudoscientific and unsourced claim that "turbochargers are a heat engine"? A turbocharger isn't an engine of any kind. It uses power. The power is mostly wasted power that goes out the tailpipe, but it still uses power. It doesn't produce power. Take any turbocharger. Put it on a test bench. Heat or cool the air on any of the inlets and outlets any way you choose (temperature only -- no fair adding a pressure differential). see if it starts spinning. Now try the same experiment with a stirling engine, which is a heat engine. The entire system -- the internal combustion engine with turbocharger attached -- is a heat engine. But the turbo is not.


 * Wikipedia is operating as designed; keeping you from introducing incorrect information. --Guy Macon (talk) 14:59, 19 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I have collapsed the discussion above: it does not belong here, but on the Talk page. If you cannot reach consensus there, then Dispute resolution tells you the next steps to follow. --ColinFine (talk) 16:55, 19 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Guy Macon gave you the scientific answer. For the Wikipedia-inclined answer, such a change to our article should come with a suitable reliable source. A forum thread initiated by some random guy on the internet is no reliable source.
 * If you believe you can impress us by your credentials (I am a retired Engineering Manager who worked for 35 years at Caterpillar Inc.), please consider that (1) we have no way to know that's true, (2) even if true, you are probably not the biggest authority among Wikipedia editors (for instance, I am fairly sure I have a better claim at authority than you do on anything directly related to thermodynamics). More importantly, it does not matter, and I would have made the same answer to someone asking for a change to religion in the Mughal empire (a subject I know nothing about): you need to provide a source other than "I said so", even if you have a Nobel prize on the topic. Tigraan Click here to contact me 17:02, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Error at WP:RFD
At WP:RFD, I don't think that "at the very beginning of the redirect page you are listing for discussion, and enter" should be located between the two sets of brackets. If I do not have the skill set to properly correct this issue, where should I post a request? Please ping me when you reply. --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:23, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The instructions at WP:RFD come from Redirects for discussion/Header. I think the sentence is correct as it stands. It's trying to say "Copy this magic piece of programmer's gibberish...
 * ...to the very beginning of the redirect page you are listing for discussion, and add these magic brackets...
 * ...at the very end." -- John of Reading (talk) 15:17, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * ...at the very end." -- John of Reading (talk) 15:17, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * ...at the very end." -- John of Reading (talk) 15:17, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

NCAA Football season navbox
I'm Trying To Put 2019 NCAA Division I FBS football season but it's blocked I can't use it but can you put 2019 in for me please. 68.103.78.155 (talk) 14:32, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * That's because the 2019 season has not started yet, and will not begin until August, 2019. In general, we don't start new articles on the seasons until the current season has finished.  If you don't have any content to put in the 2019 article, it doesn't make any sense.  You might want to check in with WikiProject College football to workshop some ideas for the next article so that when it does get created, nothing gets missed. -- Jayron 32 18:32, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Are police mugshots public domain?
See the image here, for example. It was taken (and is presumably owned) by the Metropolitan Police of the UK. I noticed that there is no photo of this offender in his article. Can this image be used in the article? WP:IMAGEPOL, WP:PD and WP:PDI are no help. Many thanks, --Viennese Waltz 15:53, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * They are not public domain, and I think you'll find it hard to make a credible claim of fair use for this image. -- zzuuzz (talk) 16:32, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Viennese Waltz Unless the original source for this explicitly states that it is public domain or otherwise free to use for any purpose, it can't be used. Copyright is assumed unless specifically disclaimed. It can't even be used as fair use, since he is still alive and in theory you could spring him from gaol and take a picture Jimfbleak - talk to me?  16:35, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Makes sense, thanks both. --Viennese Waltz 16:46, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * We must assume it's copyrighted, but this raisses the question of how the Guardian got permission to publish it. Maybe a polite e-mail to the Police department in question would resolve the issue: they may have some sort of policy, and that may even be either release to public domain or a compatible license. If so and it it's not a one-off, we would still need to cite the authorization (law, policy, whatever) for each picture, and cite the correct authorization for each separate police department. Yeech-Arch dude (talk) 20:10, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The credit is "Metropolitan Police/PA", . I assume that "PA" means Press Association, and find it quite believable that they have an arrangement with the Met. I haven't found anything definite about it, but when I search in DuckDuckGo for '"press association" metropolitan police photos copyright', I get one hit to https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/copyright-pa.html, where the text shown in the search is "Photo credit should read: Metropolitan Police/PA Wire NOTE TO EDITORS: This handout photo may only be used in for editorial reporting purposes for the contemporaneous illustration of events, things or the people in the image or facts mentioned in the caption", but I can't find that text on the page, so it may relate to a picture that was previously there and is there no longer. --ColinFine (talk) 23:19, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Just to confirm the above. It is Crown Copyright since it is a governmental work. Crown lasts 50 years. Also to give a small rebuttal to the above, not all mugshots are protected by copyright. Mugshots taken in the state of Florida, for example, are covered by PD-FLGov. Copyright is never black and white and it really depends on the situation. --Majora (talk) 23:33, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Significance of first 10 edits
Eventually I want to write an article, but I see that you need to do ten edits before you're eligible. How significant must the edits be? Can they all be on one page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jillianrmh (talk • contribs) 18:21, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * To become autoconfirmed, your account needs at least 10 edits (can be anything) and be at least four days old. Creating a new article is not an easy task, the usual advice is to spend time improving existing articles first.  You can read WP:YFA for guidance on creating an article, and I suggest you use the wizard there to create a draft for review.  RudolfRed (talk) 18:27, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The 10 edits/4 days in autoconfirmed accounts is just a way for the system to ensure that you aren't a bot or just stopping by for the lulz, but are minimally serious enough to stick around a little while. It is literally just 10 edits to any page, and your account must be 4 days old.  The above question you asked counts as one of your edits.  One thing I would caution you on is to perhaps avoid diving in to creating a new article unless you can be sure the article won't be deleted.  Wikipedia does not allow articles on any old thing, only on articles where there exists (as in, OUTSIDE of Wikipedia), significant, independent, reliable source text that one can use to cite to create that article.  (See WP:42 and WP:GNG).  Any article which does not demonstrate the existence of those sources is often quickly deleted, much to the consternation of new users.  If you still want to create an article, see Your first article for some guidance, and good luck!  Otherwise, if you want to get your feet wet before diving into the deep end, spend some time editing other Wikipedia articles that need cleanup; or just look at well-written articles (such as featured articles and good articles) to find models to use to help you write yours.  -- Jayron 32 18:29, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Trying to edit a semi-protected page
Hi. I've been on wiki before and you have incorporated some of my changes. I don't do this in a frivolous way. I'd like to add some information to the page on Brett Kavanaugh. I can understand that all kinds of people are trying to skew that page in different directions. But I have now logged in -- and I still don't see a way that would allow me to propose an edit and link it to a source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JudytheK (talk • contribs) 18:50, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Your account is not yet autoconfirmed. You can still make an edit request on the article's talk page.  For controversial topics like Kavanaugh, it's a good idea to get consensus on the talk page before making edits even if the page is not protected.  Ian.thomson (talk) 18:52, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Re pop request for donations
Hi, Just used Wikipedia and the pop request for donations appeared. I went to Donate and to use Paypal and got a page saying secure connection failed. Is there a problem. Steve Bishop — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.108.197.189 (talk) 21:08, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Changing Title of Page
how do i change the title of my article? It currently says Draft at the front but I dont want it too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arthistorystudent1234 (talk • contribs) 23:53, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * , Hi, welcome to Wikipedia. Please read DRAFTS for info about drafts. JC7V (talk) 00:01, 20 November 2018 (UTC)