Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 November 24

= November 24 =

the hollies - influence of frank norton on graham nash's decision to go to usa
i received a message saying my recent contributions to the hollies page were removed because they didnt seem to be constructive

i dont understand this - i can understand if they were removed due to no citation but not this

please advise — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toejobbob (talk • contribs) 01:09, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * There are multiple reasons why your change was reverted. Most importantly it was unsourced; but also, it was ungrammatical (placenames etc. have capital letters) and is basically trivia. No one knows who Frank Norton is/was and what he might have said to Nash is not encyclopedic. Furthermore, in 1968, after four or five years of a very successful career with the Hollies (possibly only exceeded at the time by the Beatles and the Stones) it does not seem likely that Nash would have been working in a clothes shop in Manchester. However, if you can supply a reliable source you can raise the possibility of re-adding the information via the article talk page, but be aware that unencyclopedic content will be removed. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes . Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 02:18, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Questions about adding new pages
Hello, I am currently working on a page that deals with a lot of Supreme Court decisions (Terry stop). I would like to create a few stubs for decisions that aren't in Wikipedia yet. For example: Adams v. Williams. I know if you go through the draft process, there is a review, etc. My question is can I just create stubs and fill them in later without having to do a draft first. Thanks Seahawk01 (talk) 04:27, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Seahawk01, it's recommended for obvious reasons that users create drafts, particularly if they are new or have limited editing experiences. However, as an experienced editor, I've created many stubs, for plants and parasites in particular, to avoid red links in my main articles. As long as your stub is referenced and there is evidence of notability, you can create your stubs directly. Jimfbleak - talk to me?  06:40, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * , thanks for the reply. Sounds great, I'll only use this power to create stubs for Supreme Court decisions! I'll follow a template for other decisions. Will make life easier for me :-) Seahawk01 (talk) 06:45, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Seahawk01, in Wikipedia, "template" has a specific technical meaning. Were you using that sense, or were you merely meaning that you'd write up a little standardized wording and use it as the base for each article?  The first is unwise in basically every situation, but the second is great when you're producing stubs about topics that definitely deserve articles.  SCOTUS decisions definitely deserve articles, so don't wonder on that count.  Nyttend (talk) 14:18, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Nyttend, I wanted to use the SCOTUS template as found on the right of this page: Terry v. Ohio. So, I was thinking I could follow the template and fill out all the fields and then do a quick summary of the decision, dissent, etc...basically write up a lead paragraph with one or two sections. Thanks for the help! Seahawk01 (talk) 02:44, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * So you mean the box with headings of "Terry v. Ohio, Argued December..., Decided June..., Holding, Court membership, Case opinions, Laws applied"? If you use one of those and write up a lead paragraph with a section or two, and that paragraph with sections is not inside the right-side box, you're good.  I just feared that you envisioned using a single template, all by itself, and with no information otherwise.  Nyttend (talk) 12:22, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Languages problem
Hello. I would like to ask for help about wikidata. I did some editing in Template:FK Crvena zvezda squad article and I wanted to move the links to other languages but they were deleted from both english and serbian wikipedia. All it has now is link between those two languages but there were at least 7 or 8 more. Can someone connect it as it was? Should I do some editing on serbian wiki? Regards, SimplyFreddie (talk) 18:19, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * FK Crvena zvezda squad is a template, not an article. It only exists in English and Serbian Wikipedias. I see no evidence that it has ever existed in other Wikipedias. Ruslik_ Zero 18:33, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * @Ruslik, I think you're not right, I found this, this and more templates from other wikis. So I should manually add them I suppose? — SimplyFreddie (talk) 23:45, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The second of those links is a category, not a template. I've added the first link to the Wikidata item. You talked about connecting it "as it was";  if you can provide a link to a version which had the connections, then it can be investigated, but there is nothing obvious in the history of the English template or the Wikidata item.  --David Biddulph (talk) 01:13, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Looking again at your second link, perhaps you intended to link to fr:Modèle:Palette Effectif actuel de l'étoile rouge de Belgrade, rather than to fr:Catégorie:Palette Effectif club serbe de football? I've added the template (Modèle) to the Wikidata item. --David Biddulph (talk) 01:20, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, but I found the wiki link that connected them all HERE. Try to see is there any history on this link because I probably removed them here and can be seen what languages were there. — SimplyFreddie (talk) 08:49, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


 * It isn't obvious why you deleted all the content from Q13410409 and then generated a new Wikidata item at Q59159516 without the links. I've merged the new Wikidata item (into which I'd added a few of the links) into the old item Q13410409 (but there is still a redirect from Q59159516).  I was going to say that if you look at the history you can see what you removed, and you could now add them back again, but to simplify matters I have restored the version that had all the links, & just changed the srwiki item to call up your recent page.  Hopefully that solves your problems. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:13, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


 * @David Biddulph, I wanted to switch templates' names but then I saw i could revert the changes, but thought there will be some double connections with that link I made. Thank you very much for help. :) — SimplyFreddie (talk) 09:17, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

How to make a watchlist compact in mobile?
I have the 'Expand watchlist to show all chages' option unchecked in my settings, and the watchlist works like that when seen from PC. But when i open it from my phone it seems to show all changes, not just a single, recent one per page. That's quite annoying, as I have several RefDesk and HelpDesk pages in my watchlist, as well as some high-traffic talk pages. What am I doing wrong? How do I make the watchlist to show just a single, most recent change per page? My device is a Samsung phone with Android 5.1.1 and I use a native browser. --CiaPan (talk) 18:50, 24 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Try switching from mobile to desktop version. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:11, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Why? I switch almost every day, sometimes several times a day, and I know it works on desktop PC and on laptop (both with MS Win 10, one with Chrome, the other one with IE). But that still doesn't help me understand how to set it properly on my mobile. --CiaPan (talk) 21:14, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * the simple answer is; that's not possible, at least for now. Phab was declined earlier in 2017. –Ammarpad (talk) 22:17, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you, . --CiaPan (talk) 13:32, 25 November 2018 (UTC)