Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 November 29

= November 29 =

What should be trusted more?
A website's "about us" page has one of its co-founders listed as "Devon Spinnler". However, secondary sources state his name is "Devon Townsend". Should the primary or secondary sources be trusted in this situation? CoolSkittle (talk) 02:13, 29 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Can we have a link to the Wikipedia page in question (at least) and to the external page if possible? BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 02:55, 29 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Draft:Cameo (website) (unfinished), primary source that states his last name as Spinnler, Cosmopolitan and New York Times sources that state his last name as Townsend. CoolSkittle  (talk) 04:03, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I think they're both right - his LinkedIn profile shows his name as Devon Townsend, but the URL is https://www.linkedin.com/in/devspinn/. Some searches show that he goes by Devon Spinnler Townsend.  I pinged their pr firm for insight - I'm sure they'll be thrilled that someone is drafting an article about the company. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  06:54, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I contacted the PR firm and this is what they said:

Devon’s name is Devon Spinnler Townsend. Devon Spinnler Townsend has also been known as Devon Spinnler, the alias attached to his vine personality fame.
 * I can't find any corroborating sources, so it's probably best to use Devon Spinnler Townsend and cite a source with each last name. Or, if they get more media coverage, if they're notable enough, that should settle it, now that the firm knows to focus on the name.  TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  01:18, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. CoolSkittle  (talk) 08:49, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject California/Los Angeles area task force
I am trying to resurrect the Los Angeles Area Task Force at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_California/Los_Angeles_area_task_force and redesign its opening page, but it seems to be linked somehow to a California Task Force somewhere. I am confused by this and don't see the purpose if there is no way to connect with the (perhaps nonexistent) leaders of said California Task Force. Specifically, the splash page, or opening page, for the Los Angeles Area Task Force is pretty awful, consisting of an indecipherable chart and a list of Academy Awards that have almost nothing to do with Los Angeles, except the Awards are (nowadays) held in Los Angeles. So how do I go about making WP:Bold changes to this page. I've already winnowed down the membership list to the folks who sincerely want to take part in the page's resurrection, as you can see by going to the Talk Page over there. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 02:54, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello. I figured most of it out. So I'm OK, you're OK, we're all OK. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 18:15, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Creating a musician page
I want to create a page for a musician. I need some help — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.114.241.180 (talk) 06:58, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your desire to add to Wikipedia. There's a process for requesting articles here. There's also some good general info about getting started as an editor here. Also, please sign your comments with the four tildes "~", so we know who you are. If you do not have an account, I recommend you register for one and select a user name. This will be necessary if you want to create an article. Good luck! TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  07:29, 29 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Start by reading Notability (music). If you conclude that "Yeah, my musician fits those criteria, no problem", then continue with Your first article. If not, pick another topic. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:37, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Center content in a table cell with visual editor?
Hello, I added two rows using the visual editor to the main table in this article for Ireland: UNESCO Intangible Cultural Heritage Lists. Could someone tell me how to center the text using the visual editor (apologies if it is obvious)? AugusteBlanqui (talk) 10:40, 29 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I have no idea how you can do that in Visual Editor, I never used it. I made the change with code editor: Special:Diff/871169289. Best regards. --CiaPan (talk) 11:29, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

"Alert from another wiki"
I got one of these in my notifications, but—d'oh!—instead of clicking to read it, I clicked the blue radio button which made it disappear. And now it isn't listed in the "all notifications" page, whether as read or unread. So I don't know what other wiki it was :D  any ideas on how to see the notification again? I looked in at Commons, but the notification isn't now being shown. Any suggestions greatly appreciated! —— SerialNumber  54129  13:11, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * , unfortunately if you've read a cross-wiki notification, it is only visible on whatever wiki that notification is from. So you'd have to check the probable wikis that notification is from.. Galobtter (pingó mió) 13:28, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, of course, I can check global contribs (I presume). Cheers, ——  SerialNumber  54129  13:37, 29 November 2018 (UTC) Re-ping  ——  SerialNumber  54129  13:38, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Nationalism leads to conscious errors
Hello!

I wonder if there is anything that can be done about the Croatian Wikipedia page and administrators? There is a town in Bosnia-Herzegovina, called Gornji Vakuf, which suffered a lot of damage and human suffering during the war in the country. The war in the town was between the Army of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina, and the Croatian Defence Council. In 1992, the Croat nationalists renamed the town of Gornji Vakuf to Uskoplje. The town and the municipality remained devided until 2001, when the international community managed to push forward an integration of the devided town and municipality into one. Only, now the official name of the town and the municipality, in Bosnian and Croatian languages, is Gornji Vakuf-Uskoplje. However, the administrators of the Croatian Wikipedia refuse to use the official name of the municipality and the town (Gornji Vakuf-Uskoplje), and instead insist on using only Uskoplje, which, looking at a discussion about that issue, is rooted in nationalism. If Wikipedia is going to be trustworthy, then the official name of the town should be used. There is a judgement at the war crime tribunual for former Yugoslavia (ICTY) at the Hague against six Croatian military men and politicans (Prlic, et al), which gives a little bit of insight to the Croat nationalist obsession of calling the town of Gornji Vakuf-Uskoplje only Uskoplje. The Croatian Wikipedia administrators are consciously, and wholeheartedly, making an error by not using the correct name for the town and the municipality.

One of their arguments is that the Italian city of Rome is called "Roma" in Italian, but "Rim" in Croatian. By that logic, the name of the town Gornji Vakuf-Uskoplje would in English be "Upper Inalienable Charitable Endowment Property-Narrow Meadow", and in Croatian, the word "Vakuf" (which comes from the Arabic word waqf) should also be translated. But that, of course, is not the case. It's just an example of nationalists trying to change history and reality by consciously making errors. And I haven't even mentioned the hugely erroneous article about the war in Gornji Vakuf-Uskoplje, which falls nothing short of Croatian nationalist propaganda.

But anyway, since they have locked the article, is there a way to unlock it, or to actually change the name of the article and the town and municipality of Gornji Vakuf-Uskoplje to its official name of Gornji Vakuf-Uskoplje, instead of the current Uskoplje, in the Croatian Wikipedia? Even non-nationalist Croats have commented that the correct name should be used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.142.61.38 (talk) 14:14, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * If your concern is about a specific article, as this seems to be, you should address it to the talk page of that article. 331dot (talk) 14:23, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The place for discussion is not here on enwiki, but at hr:Razgovor:Uskoplje, where the matter has been discussed at length. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:19, 29 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Croatian Wikipedia is a known problem, Croatias minister of education discouraged students from using it in 2013, and I've seen newsreports on it this year. But as en-WP editors, we have no influence with other language WP:s. Perhaps someone at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Croatia has any insights, but I think many of them have given up. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:39, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

HCR Manorcare Name Error
Hello, I represent HCR Manorcare and their name is wrong on Wikipedia's article. There should be no space between Manor and Care it should be "HCR Manorcare" as it reads in their logo, on their Website (https://www.hcr-manorcare.com/), and on their recruitment marketing website (https://jobs.hcr-manorcare.com/). If this can be corrected as quickly as possible that would be wonderful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.132.161.214 (talk) 15:29, 29 November 2018 (UTC) , Please check now.Adithyak1997 (talk) 15:33, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  15:36, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I assume that this is a recent change by the company, since the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Post included the space several years ago.  <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  15:49, 29 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Recent sourcing supports the removal of the space [] [] [], and also shows some missing turbulent history that needs to be added. Moving to talk page. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:22, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Sort order problem
I noticed a strange sort order problem on this category page: Category:American otolaryngologists. Paul Moses appears first in the list, instead of in the "M" section where he belongs. The Defaultsort tag in his article is correct, he appears properly alphabetised in other categories he belongs to, e.g. Category:Psychiatric research (not sure he should belong to that one, btw, there aren't any other people in it) but that one person/category combination is messed up. Looks like a bug of some sort, does anyone know how to fix it? Chuntuk (talk) 16:33, 29 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Hopefully has cured it. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:45, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Editing problem
I have a problem editing articles on a new computer (Windows 10) in Edit source mode. The additions/deletions do not occur at the place of the cursor but a few characters or lines ahead. Sometimes the edits behave as though they are in insert and replace mode. Do you have any idea why this might happen? It is making some kinds of edits impossible. Plant surfer 17:20, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * What browser do you use? Ruslik_ Zero 20:39, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Microsoft Edge Plant surfer  22:36, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I've several times had this problem on Firefox. If I cancel the edit and start it again, it usually goes away. I have suspected that it occurs when I start editing before waiting for the $%^&$%^& Javascript to display the $%^&* Edit Notice (on the Teahouse), but I haven't investigated it systematically. --ColinFine (talk) 00:22, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Change page name
I want to change the name of the page MLC Limited to MLC Australia but am unable to do so. Help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shandy07 (talk • contribs) 19:41, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * A page is renamed by moving it. You can request the move at WP:RM, explaining why the new name is appropriate.  RudolfRed (talk) 20:36, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * See discussion on Talk:MLC Limited. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:01, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Globally locked out admin
I seem to have been locked out. When I request a temp password and it is sent to my e-mail address of record, it is rejected, and I am informed: "Your account is globally locked". M'aidez! I fear I may have been hijacked. Orange Mike --204.194.251.5 (talk) 21:06, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Does this help? Probably not... too far back. Eagleash (talk) 21:36, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Today's message is at User_talk:Orangemike -- John of Reading (talk) 21:40, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Licence for use of image on wikipedia
Hi, I would like to use images from this book,. It is licenced with a Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.5 UK: Scotland (CC BY-NC-SA 2.5 SCOTLAND) Would I be able to use it, or would it be under fair use. The book is published in 1879. Thanks.  scope_creep Talk  21:09, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I believe it is in the public domain, so you do not need to assert fair use. It was published in London (and Edinburgh, but London is what matters here) in 1879. That means UK law applies, and copyright expired 70 years after the author died, and the work is now in the public domain. The fact that someone is asserting a later copyright is not relevant. That later copyright applies to the derived work (i.e., the web site) and not to the work itself. -Arch dude (talk) 21:56, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Cool. Thanks Arch dude. There is a couple of image in the book. That is good news. I can illustrate the article at Garth Castle to some depth.  scope_creep Talk  22:10, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * To answer your question more generally, a license must permit reuse for any purpose. So if the item is still under copyright, then we cannot accept a "no-commercial-use" license. RudolfRed (talk) 22:45, 29 November 2018 (UTC)