Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 November 3

= November 3 =

No one is really caring my words at "Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics" about my contribution in "Internet censorship at India"
No one is really caring words at "Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics" about my contribution in "Internet censorship at India". I already posted a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#No_one_is_caring_my_words_at_%22Internet_censorship_at_India%22. complaint] here. But they didn't respond. Ram nareshji (talk) 05:39, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The editors who may likely respond to you on that noticeboard are volunteers, they are not obligated to do so. I see you first posted on this talkpage about something you want add to the article, when you got no response, you then asked at Indian Wikiproject noticeboard, where you also got no response. The next thing you should do is be bold and add what you want add in the article. If someone disagrees, then they'll explain why and you can have a discussion, otherwise, your edit sticks.–Ammarpad (talk) 07:09, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Mass message log notification
I see in my watchlist an entry for the Mass message log. Why should this be? Seems a bit odd, and it's never been seen before. I've scanned Teahouse and the Village Pump, but nothing there to suggest it's happening to others. Chaheel Riens (talk) 10:24, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * What does the entry say? Is it about a page you are watching? If you are watching User talk:X and get "Delivery of "..." to User talk:X was skipped because the target has opted-out of message delivery" then it doesn't seem so odd to me. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:11, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's what it says, but it does seem odd. Why am I being told this?  Why have I never been told this in the past?  Why do I care that user X has opted out of receiving some anonymous (to me) message?  Chaheel Riens (talk) 14:17, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Because you're watching the talkpage. When you started watching the page, you intentionally requested to be told of changes like this . If you don't care anymore, just unwatch the page, simple. –Ammarpad (talk) 16:38, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * That's a remarkably unhelpful way of attempting to explain it. No changes have been made to the watched page.  People watch pages to be told of changes - but it is not logical to expect that this will also then inform (via a completely different page) when changes are not made to a page.  Telling me to unwatch the page is also unhelpful - if you read my statement you'll see that it's only the mass message I'm unconcerned with, not that I don't care in general.
 * So it's expected behaviour, fine, now that I know that I'll live with it. Chaheel Riens (talk) 17:25, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It may not mollify you, it wasn't meant to do that, but it did answered your question: "Why am I being told this?". When you watch a page, you willingly subscribe to all events affecting it, there's no option of opting-out a particular log action you don't like. It is either watch all or unwatch all. Also your claim that no changes have been made to the page is not true, there's a change . A log was generated, recorded in the log table and also in the page log on wiki. There was something that was not there hitherto, now it's. In addition, the reason why I suggested unwatching the page is because that's the only way of getting rid of the mass message event that you're "unconcerned with;" so it's not unhelpful as it is the only way to help you not see next mass message log event.–Ammarpad (talk) 23:07, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Latin interjections page
I swear there was a very good page equivalent to https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interiezioni_latine in the Latin-language Vicipaedia, but I can't find it. Any help? Temerarius (talk) 16:32, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Perhaps at wiktionary? Lourdes   23:19, 3 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't call it "a very good page", but Vicipaedia does have an Interiectio article. Deor (talk) 17:36, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Need help with NYT paywall
I am trying to research the use of "Macon's Bacon" on the following paywalled pages:

https://www.nytimes.com/1947/02/23/archives/macons-bacon.html

https://www.nytimes.com/1939/12/18/archives/topics-of-the-times.html

In particular, I am trying to verify the following claim from Macon (food)


 * "Scottish lawyer and politician Frederick Alexander Macquisten, was the first to suggest mass production of macon. 'If the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Food will consult with any farmer's wife in Perthshire, she will show him how to cure it,' he informed the House of Commons. This led to its popular name Macon's bacon."

(That page has a different citation, also paywalled). :(

Does anyone have access? If so, can you confirm that the claim is supported by the source? --Guy Macon (talk) 18:17, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Guy Macon, probably better to ask WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request‎, they seem to ba able to find most stuff Jimfbleak - talk to me?  07:02, 4 November 2018 (UTC)