Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 October 23

= October 23 =

Login / 2fa problem?
I'm having problems logging in.

Actually, I'm logged in to Wikipedia on my computer just fine. I'm trying to log in on the Wikipedia app on my phone. It asks for my username and password, which I provide, and then I click login. It then goes to another sign in page with username, password, and "Two-Factor Authentication Code". I *thought* that I would get a code from "Google Authenticator", but when I do that it says "failed".

Any ideas? SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 00:15, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I know this must be obvious, but have you ever set up two-factor authentication on your account?  Lourdes   14:40, 23 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks - yes, and I'm sure this is part of the problem. I have a new phone, and it seems Google Authenticator didn't transfer well. I had it set up on the old phone, but I'm not sure that it's set up on the new one. Is there a way to tell what apps are set up in Authenticator? It's not obvious in the app. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 16:47, 23 October 2018 (UTC)


 * , then you should set it up again on the new phone. Your new Google Authenticator client has to be validated. See meta:Help:Two-factor authentication and follow the instructions. You could possible first disable TFA then again enable TFA. That should work. Lourdes   00:16, 24 October 2018 (UTC)


 * That seems to have worked - thanks! For future reference, Special:OATH to disable two-factor authentication, then re-enable it. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 18:54, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Speedy Keep on Gosnell?
Gosnell: The Trial of America's Biggest Serial Killer is a recent movie about Kermit Gosnell, an abortion doctor who was later convicted of murder for killing infants after born alive. Obviously, such a movie is political. The page has sources from NBC News, CNN, The New York Times, Fortune, The Washington Times, The New York Post, Slate, a local NBC affiliate, The Washington Examiner, The Wall Street Journal, and The Seattle Times. Most of these are articles focusing on the movie so not just reliable sources but showing notability. However, it was nominated for deletion despite this. The reason given was that it has a low number of nationally recognized reviews, however, it seems more notable for politics than for film critics. Is this a case that meets the criteria for Speedy keep? If so, can we implement a speedy keep? Thank you. >> M.P.Schneider,LC (parlemus • feci) 01:34, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Its deletion is being debated here. I see a number of "Keep" votes from editors who say "it's real" and appear unaware of Wikipedia's definition of notability. Maproom (talk) 09:24, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I Agree that not all Keep votes clearly understand notability. However, when you look at the sources mentioned by User:Timtempleton, User:DynaGirl, User:Cobraman202, and myself it is hard to argue it is not notable. I can't imagine something could have articles specifically on it in so many major sources and be considered non-notable. User:DynaGirl notes that it falls under WP:GNG more than WP:NFILM as it's coverage as a political movie is more than as a movie reviewed by critics. That's why User:Timtempleton argued for invoking snow relating to WP:NFP. I posted here originally as I reviewed such policies but was not certain of their application as I had not dealt with such a case before. >> M.P.Schneider,LC (parlemus • feci) 14:14, 23 October 2018 (UTC)


 * closed the nomination per WP:SNOW, which is fine, but erred in calling it a "speedy keep". Snows are not speedies. Tigraan Click here to contact me 12:37, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Indeed, but as a reflection of the non-mutuality of their respective exclusivities, it merely suffices I'm afraid. ——  SerialNumber  54129  12:50, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Update article & retire/delete associated article
Can someone advise how I retire one article in favour of another? I believe that one of a pair of related articles can be amended to adequately reflect the subject area, making the companion article redundant. This would require the surviving article to assume the title of the redundant article, and for the redundant article to be deleted. First I am going to set out my proposals on the relevant talk pages, but if I obtain agreement, how would this actually be achieved in terms of management of the articles themselves? Clivemacd (talk) 11:22, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Most of what you need is at WP:MERGE. Black Kite (talk) 11:24, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

This may seem like a benign question, but does anyone know how I can add the country that I live in and there flag to my wiki bio?
Hello my name is Jad Assi I am relatively new to Wikipedia and saw that people are able to tell other community members the country that they currently live in on the wiki bio which is neat. I was hoping that someone could help me learn how to do that.

Thank you in advance — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jadassi (talk • contribs) 16:24, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * To tell others where you live add to your user page --Danski454 (talk) 16:35, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much!

Michael Webb

 * moved from talk page -- zzuuzz (talk) 17:17, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Help us! Someone has posted false information about Michael Webb architect. The picture that appears in the search is NOT Michael Webb, also. Wikipedia won't let us edit it. They revert back to the false information. Do we need a lawyer? Why are you doing this to us. Nancy Wozniak and Michael Webb Nancywozniak (talk) 17:07, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Just a word of advice, please don't mention lawyers or legal action (see WP:NLT). Also, you can now edit this page if you wish. -- zzuuzz (talk) 17:17, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately this page had to be edit-protected (only temporary) due to some serious vandalism - sorry for the inconvenience. To answer your question, the article Michael Webb (architect) has no images. The image you probably saw in a Google search result has no connection to Wikipedia (despite its confusing annotation). If you want to get this specific Google-related image changed, please use the "Feedback" button in the lower right corner of the Google search text to complain to Google directly. One more important point: as you seem to have a conflict of interest, please do not edit the article directly but request changes on the article's talkpage Talk:Michael Webb (architect). I have posted some additional links about this aspect on your user talkpage. Thank you for your consideration. GermanJoe (talk) 17:27, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * It's a dreadful article. It is now Wikipedia policy that biographical articles about living people must have independent verifiable references, but this is entirely unsourced except for one "fact" sourced to his own website. It's largely written by his wife, an obvious COI which has given us the present vanity page. Also lots of copyright violation in the now-revdeled history. I've removed the unsourced opinions and tagged the unsourced "facts", but perhaps this should be tagged (BLPPROD? WP:Notability? WP:G11?) and put out of its self-serving misery Jimfbleak - talk to me?  06:15, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Diacritic
There's something wrong with the third paragraph of the Diacritic article, and it was wrong before I fixed a typo. Here's the code:

In other alphabetic systems, diacritical marks may perform other functions. Vowel pointing systems, namely the Arabic harakat (&thinsp;ـِ ,ـُ ,ـَ, etc.) and the Hebrew niqqud ( etc.) systems, indicate vowels that are not conveyed by the basic alphabet. The Indic virama (&thinsp;् etc.) and the Arabic sukūn (&thinsp;ـْـ&thinsp;) mark the absence of vowels. Cantillation marks indicate prosody. Other uses include the Early Cyrillic titlo stroke (&thinsp;◌҃&thinsp;) and the Hebrew gershayim (&thinsp;״&thinsp;), which, respectively, mark abbreviations or acronyms, and Greek diacritical marks, which showed that letters of the alphabet were being used as numerals. In the Hanyu Pinyin official romanization system for Chinese, diacritics are used to mark the tones of the syllables in which the marked vowels occur.

If you change the width of your screen, the word layout changes, and some of the text becomes right-to-left highlightable. On my screen at normal zoom, the second line begins with the last niqqud, a parenthesis, and "mark the absence of vowels." The third line begins with an Arabic character, a parenthesis, and ", which, respectively," The fourth line begins "letters of the alphabet were being used as numerals" and there is no left parenthesis. The fifth line consists of "vowels occur." If you click on "Other uses include..." and try to highlight text farther left, some words get highlighted and others don't. And some of the text reads like this: "mark the absence of vowels. Cantillation marks indicate prosody. systems, indicate vowels that are not conveyed by the basic alphabet...Greek diacritical marks, which showed that Other uses include the Early Cyrillic titlo stroke ( ◌҃ ) and the Hebrew gershayim ( letters of the alphabet  I don't know how to fix it.  Can someone help? 208.95.51.53 (talk) 15:47, 23 October 2018 (UTC)


 * I looked over this a bit (expertise level low...) and the problem seems to be something with the as written template following the word "niqqud". When I eliminate that entire template, the preview comes out correct, but I haven't been able to figure out how to change the template around (rtl parameter in the lang template, removing the as written template, removing some of the characters, etc) to get it to settle in. &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 17:34, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Greece national rugby league team
Reference help requested.

I have noticed that frequently, some people try to change the facts about the Greek Rugby League. After a split that took place in 2015, RLEF recognises a civil society as members and the Ministry of Culture and Sports recognises the Hellenic Federation of Modern Pentathlon / Rugby League Committee instead. See  http://www.rugbyleague.gr/uploads/1/3/5/0/13503701/ministry_to_rlif_rlef.pdf I do not know how to protect the pages refering to the Greek Rugby League.

Thanks, Tpantazidis (talk) 21:21, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The page can only be protected by an Admin. and only if they are satisfied that it is necessary to prevent disruption to the encyclopedia, usually WP:Vandalism. A page will not be protected to maintain a preferred version. If you have changes you wish to see made and they are challenged (reverted) by other editors, please begin a discussion at the article talk page and support your content / changes with reliable sources. Please do not edit back and forth reverting changes as this is known as edit warring and can lead to the loss of editing privileges irrespective of the merits of the changes. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 22:04, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Additionally, if you think the page meets the requirements for protection, you can request that it be added here. LittlePuppers (talk) 00:01, 24 October 2018 (UTC)