Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 October 6

= October 6 =

Help with Template:WPBannerMeta
Hello,

I'm an editor who primarily works in the Hypericaceae family, a family of flowering angiosperms known as the St. John's Worts. I have wanted to start a WikiProject for a long while on the topic, and finally started on it with the help of another editor who works in the family. The project, WikiProject Hypericaceae, is a little bit more work than I anticipated it to be but I am having fun figuring everything out. Recently I've been trying to tackle creating a quality and importance matrix and statistics table using the WP:Version 1.0 Release tools and such. Template:WikiProject Hypericaceae is the Banner I'm using, but I seem to have hit a wall and I could really use some help going forward because it's probably one stupid thing I'm missing.

I just figured out how to get the banner to sort into categories by listed quality, but it keeps putting everything in the plant categories, not the Hypericaceae categories I made. See Talk:Hypericaceae; it is put into Category:Start-Class plant articles instead of Category:Start-class Hypericaceae articles where it should be. I've cross-checked the template with the one for Banksia (Template:WikiProject Banksia) and cannot find what the issue is.

Thanks so much in advance, hopefully this is the only thing I have to bother you guys at the Help Desk with during this project! Best Regards, Fritzmann2002 T, c, s, t 01:25, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

No reply to talk entry
I have had no reply to the entry at Template talk:Infobox church. How can I find out who to ping in cases like this? Jmar67 (talk) 06:45, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The article is part of WikiProject_Christianity. I suggest posting a message on the project page.  RudolfRed (talk) 21:02, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Shortcut for DYK nomination?
Is there a shortcut for going to the nomination for a particular page? I have had to enter "Template:Did you know nominations/(page name)", which is cumbersome. Even if the nom is in my watch list, it doesn't appear there (using mobile version) and I have to search for it manually. Jmar67 (talk) 06:56, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Wedding of Princess Eugenie and Jack Brooksbank
I have  failed in  my  attempt  to  do the  citation  number  2  correctly  - the  date is  part of the  publication. please fix up. Thanks 175.33.45.21 (talk) 08:15, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ —AE  ( talk  •  contributions ) 08:22, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Creating an article on which a redirect already exists
Hi! I was actually thinking of creating a few articles about some APL teams. However, I found out that those teams already have redirects, so how can I create those articles now? Regards, Knightrises10 (talk) 12:05, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * when you are redirected, there will be a link at the top of the page that looks like this: (Redirected from Somewhere) . Click on the link and you will be taken to the redirect page. You can then click the edit tab and edit the page normally. --Danski454 (talk) 14:03, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how this would work in mobile though. --Danski454 (talk) 14:09, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks :-) I found out! When on mobile, I actually edit through the desktop view mostly. So it means we just have to edit that like a normal page, and add the info needed? Knightrises10 (talk) 15:40, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, just replace the ridrect with the article content you want to add. --Danski454 (talk) 15:44, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Help Wikipedia table - Auto bolding on top row
Hi Folks, after an hour search, still cant determine how to stop the auto bolding of text at the top line of a table. Any ideas? Where is the manual page for the style attribute as well? Thanks. scope_creep (talk) 12:14, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * This is the table:
 * {| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center; width: 200px; height: 200px;

! rowspan="5" style="text-align: left; background:LightSteelBlue" | Clear ! style="background:#f9f9f9" |E ! style="background:#f9f9f9" |F ! style="background:#f9f9f9" |E ! style="background:#f9f9f9" |R
 * style="background:#f9f9f9" |R
 * E
 * N
 * C
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 * Y
 * O
 * U
 * R
 * M
 * E
 * S
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 * A
 * G
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 * F
 * O
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 * O
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Thanks. scope_creep (talk) 12:36, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Use a pipe (|) instead of a bang (!). I changed one in the table above.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 13:01, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks Trappist the monk. scope_creep (talk) 13:22, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Correcting image associated with .ogv file.
Can the image for this file be fixed, (rotate and correct aspect ratio)? File:Traditional Adowa dance form and music performance.ogv

This is beyond my abilities. -- User-duck (talk) 12:51, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll give it a shot. 10 minutes. scope_creep (talk) 13:25, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Try this, File:Traditional Adowa dance form and music performance.png If this is not suitable, try the Graphics Lab. If you don't, ask an admin to delete it. If you plan to keep it, please get it moved to Wikipedia Commons, as soon as. scope_creep (talk) 13:41, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

DIAMONDOMINO.
I submitted my invention for DIAMONDOMINO for your archives ( an upgrade on the current PENTOMINOES puzzle pieces & would like to know if this article has been accepted or rejected.

How do I get notification on its status?

Regards.

Charles H. Checkley — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charles Checkley (talk • contribs) 14:53, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The above edit is your first and only to Wikipedia. You are apparently talking about Special:Permalink/838902098 that you posted in April from the account User:Charles H. Checkley. There is no status to notify you about. Sam Sailor 15:16, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , If you are trying to submit an invention, I urge you to read:WP:NOT, particularly the section about Personal inventions-- S Philbrick (Talk)  15:55, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

How to reverse "right to be forgotten"
Hello - there was a wikipedia page about me during the 2,000s. I exercised my "right to be forgotten" and had the page taken down. Is there a process for reversing that and making the page available again? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Verne Andru (talk • contribs) 16:39, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * What is the name of the article? (I searched for "Verne Andru" but found nothing.)-- S Philbrick (Talk)  16:57, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

I don't know how to respond to the question other than editing the original. It was either Verne Andru or Verne Andrusiek. I believe it was the former. I searched on both and neither came up. A few years back somebody resurrected the page and commented which cause a mod to say something like "that page shouldn't be available". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Verne Andru (talk • contribs) 17:29, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I didn't find any deleted material under either of those names. The only related entries seem to be deletion of Captain Cannabis. Rmhermen (talk) 17:44, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes - it was after the Captain Cannabis deletion in 2007. I have the pages archived. I found this in a 2012 email from wiki@wikimedia.org

The Wikipedia page "User talk:Verne Andru" has been changed on 28 June 2012 by anonymous user 63.153.226.142, with the edit summary: Blanked user's talk page as use had every privilige to do so. I'm not sure why it was reverted back in '07. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Verne Andru (talk • contribs) 17:59, 6 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Not sure exactly what you are asking... that IP edit was reversed with this edit Your talk page is available at User talk:Verne Andru; see the blue link in the bot-added signature in your post above. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes . Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 19:40, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm also unable to guess what you want. It sounds like you are confusing different concepts. Please link the page you want something done to. It's optional for users to create a user page and your user page User:Verne Andru has never existed. The page User talk:Verne Andru has never been deleted, and Courtesy vanishing does not include the deletion of user talk pages. The content has varied including being blank but all former versions are available on the "View history" tab. Wikipedia only says a page is deleted when the former versions can no longer be seen (except by administrators). The article Captain Cannabis was deleted after discussion at Articles for deletion/Captain Cannabis and cannot be restored on request by the author. Captain Cannabis and File:CaptainCannabis.jpg are the only deleted pages your account has edited. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:02, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Respectfully, there was a User:Verne Andru and an associated talk page. I exercised my "right to be forgotten" in 2007 at which time that page was to be removed from Wikipedia. In 2012 somebody was able to access that talk page to make a comment at which time somebody at wikipedia took further action, as evidenced by the email I received in 2012, the contents of which are posted above. Since I had an account in 2007 during the Captain Cannabis deletion process, I'm unable to reconcile your reference to there never being a Verne Andru account. There was one that was created by someone other than me and that account is referenced in the deletion thread.

My question is noted in the headline of my post - I once exercised my "right to be forgotten" and my inquiry is how to exercise my "right to be remembered." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.180.157.76 (talk) 21:45, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Respectfully, you are confusing your account with your user page. A post above pointed you to your talk page and if you go to that you will see a red link to your user page which is for you to provide a small amount of detail about yourself and how you intend to contribute to Wikipedia. Your account exists, you used it to post here whilst logged in; it is available for you to edit Wikipedia. Eagleash (talk) 21:59, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

I understand the difference. There was a Verne Andru page created by someone else regarding my film credits. Currently there is nothing there whilst there were conversations that were "blanked" by wikipedia in 2007 as indicated in my previous post. Would it be helpful for me to post the contents of the 2007 Verne Andru talk page here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Verne Andru (talk • contribs) 22:25, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Here's a quote from that "revived" talk page that pretty much sums things up: Verne Andru (talk) 22:29, 6 October 2018 (UTC) I'm an animator from Rock and Rule and I came to see if I knew you. I gather you are having/had some problems. I took the right to vanish and closed my account. Wiki is justv a bully sport where you have a few children get moderator positions and work out their personal issues. The articles are totally inaccurate fabrications that are more often than not  misquotes from badly written news articles. I've never been quoted once accurately in any paper. Anyway, take the right to vanish. Wiki is temporary. Sorry you had trouble but with these people it's a sure thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.149.114.34 (talk) 03:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * First, right of being forgotten does not exist for Wikipedia articles. Wikipedia is not subject to EU law. Second, the only criteria that matters is WP:N. Tgeorgescu (talk) 22:34, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, there has never been a right to have your user talk page deleted. Courtesy vanishing currently says: "This courtesy vanishing does include the deletion of user contributions, and normally ". When you made a request in an odd place in 2007 [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_April_26&diff=prev&oldid=126233279], Courtesy vanishing was only a proposed process [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Courtesy_vanishing&oldid=123149033] and it said: "in some circumstances, you may be permitted to have your talk page deleted too". Since no page in your userspace was actually deleted and you never requested or received a user rename, I don't know what it is you want to be reversed. If you want to start editing again then just do that. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:35, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Let's start at the beginning. During 2007 I did a google search on Verne Andru and discovered someone had created a Verne Andru wikipedia page. The very first time I ever visited wikipedia was to view this page. If you check your records you will discover that the original Verne Andru page was created by someone other than me. IIRC it made reference to my work on the National Film Board animated film "Blowhard". That page was deleted pursuant to my "request to be forgotten" after the Captain Cannabis page referencing my work was deleted and the references to my 420/Captain Cannabis comic book on the 420 wikipedia page, which had been up for 2 years, were deleted. I have archives of all this material.

For some reason google seems to consider wikipedia a "reliable source" for materials they associate with their knowledge panels, of which there is one for Verne Andru. So I seek to have the original Verne Andru wikipedia page, created by someone other than myself, reactivated so my google knowledge panel reflects some of my work in the film industry. Verne Andru (talk) 23:23, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * There has been no article called Verne Andru or Verne Andrusiek. If such a page had been deleted then the red link would have shown a deletion log like Verne Rupright. All my other searches are also coming up empty. I don't know which page you refer to but Wikipedia articles are not deleted or restored on request from the subject of the article. Courtesy vanishing is about user accounts and not articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:46, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Well then it would appear your records are incorrect. The Verne Andru links in your posts appear in red, just like the Captain Cannabis link you folks so kindly deleted back in 2007.

As is indicated above, my request seems to have been before there was an official policy. Again - simply check the creation logs for Verne Andru from 2007, which you can see was around then in the Captain Cannabis talk page, and you'll discover that there was a page, it wasn't created by me and it makes reference to my film work. Why is this so difficult?

Where the original Verne Andru went is the purpose of my question here.

And simply restating that it didn't exist is not an answer. It did and you have the records if you'd find someone to take the time to retrieve them. Verne Andru (talk) 23:55, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The links appear in red as they are to your user page, which would normally be created by you as outlined above, not to an article which may once have existed (or not). Click on one to see where it takes you. Eagleash (talk) 00:08, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * As an administrator I can see the old contents of deleted pages. The deleted versions of Captain Cannabis and Talk:Captain Cannabis have no link to or mention of a Wikipedia article about Verne Andru. I checked every revision of both pages. If a page does not exist then a wikilink to it will be red whether it has been deleted or it never existed. Clicking the red link will reveal whether a page was deleted. It sounds more likely that you misremember something from 11 years ago than all traces of a page called Verne Andru have disappeared from our database. Maybe a page with another name existed. If it did then your account never edited it. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:18, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

When I click on the Verne Andru link it takes me to a "Creating Verne Andru" page. The original Verne Andru page was created by someone in 2007. That is what I'm trying see if it can be revived. Verne Andru (talk) 00:18, 7 October 2018 (UTC)


 * How are we supposed to find it if we have no records of it whatsoever and I cannot find it anywhere else either? Do you know of any other titles the page could have been under? LittlePuppers (talk) 00:22, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure you why you are asking me questions about the internal workings of wikipedia as I have no association with that organization. I'm asking wikipedia for help.

As I've typed several times already, in 2007 my Verne Andru page, which was created by someone other than Verne Andru, was removed from wikipedia.

It appears whatever technique used in that removal was very effective as you are now saying it never existed. At the same time you say wikipedia never deletes anything. I have no control over what wikipedia does whereas you do.

Your own records show that the Verne Andru page existed in 2007 because there are links to it in the Captain Cannabis pages.

Where did it go wikipedia?

Verne Andru (talk) 00:32, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * No, as I said 20 minutes ago, there are no links to such a page in the Captain Cannabis pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:37, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Then could you kindly explain this:

User talk:Verne Andru From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search

Sorry, we do not delete talk pages, because they contain valuable information about how we have interacted with this person in the past. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me) 01:47, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

That's not what the rules say. But then for you there are no rules are there? I do not want my name associated in anyway with Wikipedia. I will not be associated with an organization that runs without rules and lets it's editors take "rewards" from outside sources to advance their individual causes. Wikipedia is not an independent "encyclopedia" that meets any academic standards. Remove all references to me and this name space as allowed in the rules. Verne Andru 02:41, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

What are you talking about? What rules? HighInBC(Need help? Ask me) 02:53, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Exactly my point -> Ignore All the Rules [1] + Editor Reward Board [2] = Wikipedia Conflict of Interest/Corruption Verne Andru 15:04, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Ya, I am not going to discuss that with you. I asked which rules in response to your belief that your userpage should be deleted, that is the rule I want to know about. I have little interest in your interpretation of Wikipedia, which I am sure would be very different if we let you write an article about the comic you made. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me) 15:14, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Ignore all rules is about the main space, ie articles, SqueakBox 15:16, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I disagree, Squeak. Verne -- there are a couple of ways to go about leaving. See Wikipedia:Right to vanish, which explains a complicated procedure you can go through if you want to disassociate your real name with the edits you've made here: it involves requesting a change of username, and then changing all the signatures you have ever left anywhere to point to the new name. It's imperfect, but there you have it. As to merely deleting your user talk page, I would be willing to do it if you're saying that you're leaving and won't be editing anymore. (I will block your account to enforce that, but if you change your mind later, you can always request unblocking.) Keeping your talk page around is not a big deal unless you're actually editing. Mangojuicetalk 15:33, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh yes, if you want the "Right to vanish", then you will need to follow the instructions there, as an admin cannot do it properly. If you are willing to close the account(in other words I block it indefinitely) then I will gladly delete your user talk page. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me) 15:39, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry HighInBC, you are wrong again. Had the process followed a due-process that even closely resembled an unbiased tribunal and the Article failed on its merits, I would have no issues. But, as I stated at the top, this process has shown that Wikipedia is not an independent "encyclopedia" that meets any academic or ethical standards. It has an inherent systemic conflict of interest that renders it highly corruptible:

Ignore All the Rules [1] + Editor Reward Board [2] = Wikipedia Conflict of Interest/Corruption

Wikipedia is not an encyclopedia as stated. It is, by design, a biased platform for special interests with enough money/resources to buy "consensus" through the Rewards Board. This will be perused elsewhere.

I have no control over what you do on your private servers, but I do have legal rights over what your servers provide to the public. Remove all references to me, my properties and there respective name spaces immediately. These are intellectual properties protected by international laws and conventions and I am asserting my legal rights as the owners of same. Verne Andru 16:56, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

This is from 2007 and it clearly shows that not only was there a Verne Andru page but when I hover over the blue Verne Andru it shows the following link: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Verne_Andru&action=edit

Can you please escalate this to someone who can actually do something, please? Verne Andru (talk) 01:31, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * This is referring to your user page (User:Verne Andru and User talk:Verne Andru), not an article about you. LittlePuppers (talk) 01:36, 7 October 2018 (UTC)


 * wrote, at the top of this page, "there was a wikipedia page about me". This is correct, there was. It was not an article, as some responders have supposed; it was User:Verne Andru. It has been deleted, along with its edit history. Maproom (talk) 09:34, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * As an administrator I can see no sign the page User:Verne Andru has existed. Are you saying you have evidence that it did once exist but has been been oversighted or otherwise disappeared from the deletion log? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:29, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I was mistaken. I had confused Verne Andru's talk page with their user page. Maproom (talk) 11:44, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * User talk:Verne Andru has never been deleted according to the deletion log.[//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=delete&user=&page=User+talk%3AVerne+Andru] PrimeHunter (talk) 11:48, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The talk page has been blanked a few times, which might be what he is referring to. Also, he seems to be fairly clear about there being an article (not a userpage) about him as well (see various places above). LittlePuppers (talk) 13:27, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Image sizing in infoboxes
I recently created a page for the board game Century: Spice Road, and, at least on my screen, the infobox image looks too large (although it is low enough res to fall under fair use of non-free content), and no parameters that I add in the infobox following filename seem to have any resizing effect. Is this a problem with the original image? Even if it were, I was expecting to be able to adjust the display. While I've been editing in article space for years and have created several articles before, I have little experience editing templates. What should I do? Thanks. --MattMauler (talk) 17:05, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Many infobox templates have their own parameters to control images. I used the parameters documented at Template:Infobox game. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:27, 6 October 2018 (UTC)