Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 September 6

= September 6 =

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input
I am having trouble citing my reference. Thank you. Burcon, Michael. Multiple factors and several common triggers contribute to Meniere’s disease (MD), but the hypothesis of this study is related to one cause: an upper cervical subluxation complex (UCSC), the result of whiplash trauma, caused by vehicular accident or blow to head. J. Upper Cervical Chiropractic Research – June 2, 2016
 * Hello That looks like you're trying to cite yourself. Please see WP:SELFCITE. Anyway, I suppose your were looking for a citation like this:   which renders as:


 * --Vexations (talk) 01:12, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * please also see WP:MEDRS. Maproom (talk) 10:43, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Search for a word, excluding two classes of results
I've occasionally seen "roughy" appear as a typo for "roughly", e.g. a college campus being "Roughy bounded by E. Washington, Bennett and Gorrell Sts", and I thought I'd run a search for it to find typos. Problem is, a roughy is a kind of fish, and many pages have that word in their titles or have links to pages with the word in their titles. Is there a way to search for a word while excluding links and title results? Presumably nobody's going to attempt to link roughly, so I can ignore those results. Nyttend (talk) 12:02, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Would this help? -linksto:"Albert Einstein" "Albert Einstein" -prefix:Albert Einstein
 * Lourdes 13:05, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

You could search for 'roughy -fish' and that would only cause you to lose out on articles where people are roughly handling fish. Unfortunately, they don't seem to have a static latin name so trying to block that out is probably not going to work.

2601:543:C001:FE13:189C:9DDE:3E6A:2568 (talk) 00:05, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

James Dao, New York Times
Why is there no wiki bio information on James Dao, Op-ed of the New York Times  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:6000:6515:C900:E1A3:5854:81BC:DA87 (talk) 13:31, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * If you are asking why there is no Wikipedia page about him, he would first need to pass Wikipedia's fairly stringent rules on notability (see that page together with WP:GNG). Notability has a particular meaning within the encyclopedia. If you feel he is truly notable you can create an article yourself (see WP:YFA, WP:WIZ and WP:AFC) or you can request that a page be made at WP:REQ. If he is notable an article will likely be created in the fullness of time by an interested editor. Eagleash (talk) 13:49, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

app for filling the sfn template
Filling the cite journal templates is bothersome and boring. I wish an app could be developed, and I could just insert the DOI and the app could fill the rest of the template. Citing journals and multi-authored books is the most boring task I come across with. Could someone develop an app to help me (and many more fellow wikipedians)? Where should I apply? Thanks Τζερόνυμο (talk) 14:36, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * You can use Citation_expander. Ruslik_ Zero 20:01, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi have you tried this? &rsaquo;  Mortee  talk 20:02, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I do use Ref Toolbar, but that does not output sfn templates. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:05, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you both and  for your answers. Both are really easy to use. DOIs are a piece of cake now, but is there something similar with isbn? 20:26, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't know of one for ISBNs exactly, but I use this tool constantly for books I can find in Google Books. &rsaquo; Mortee  talk 14:23, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Wrong name showing up in automated edits
I noticed earlier that on the page for edit filter false positives (WP:EF/FP/R), the previous two posts had been done by IPs, but the posted message used the name of the admin that had made the previous edit (see here and here). I thought it was either bad faith by the IPs or some one off glitch. But now on my WP:TW talk page edit here, it has also inserted the previous editor's name into the automated message instead of my own. Is there some common reason that the wrong name is showing up in these messages? LynxTufts (talk) 15:32, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The bug is T203583 Galobtter (pingó mió) 15:37, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Show more languages
If you want to read an article in another language, expanding the collapsed language list is no longer possible. I tried both Firefox and Chrome. --2001:16B8:314D:B400:88E4:B985:A02B:26DC (talk) 18:53, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * You may have reached an article that has no other linked languages. For example, see Abdullah Rimawi and confirm if you can see the other language links provided therein. Thanks, Lourdes  06:20, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * That's not what I mean. In articles with many language version, there is clearly an option which you can click on, but nothing happens. I used to use this function a lot to look up words in different languages. The Polish Wikipedia is the only one not to follow this bad system of collapsing the language list in the first place, but I can't really speak Polish to start my search from there. --2001:16B8:31AA:8300:C81A:8C7:3D41:1160 (talk) 06:27, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * There is currently a bug in this feature with work to fix it at T203750. As a workaround, you can click "Edit links" to get to a Wikidata page where the links are available in another format. Registered users can disable "Use a compact language list, with languages relevant to you" at Special:Preferences. Then you always see all links. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:15, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Burt Reynolds
For Wikipedia to be legit, please check out what someone wrote above Burt Reynolds photo. "Burt Stupid Reynolds" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.93.6.17 (talk) 19:09, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The vandalism has been removed and the article has been protected. † dismas †|(talk) 19:49, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

I d like to ask whether a topic is notable...
...before I start writing it down. I am thinking on the "Anarchism in Ancient Greece". Is it notable enough or no?Τζερόνυμο (talk) 19:37, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * What sources do you intend to use? Ruslik_ Zero 19:57, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

I would be using Τζερόνυμο (talk) 20:37, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Peter Marshall, Demanding the Impossible: A History of Anarchism, London, 2012, There is a chapter
 * James Joll, The anarchists, 1979, a couple of pages are dedicated to anarchism in ancient Greece
 * A short history of anarchism, Book by Max Nettlau, some more pages discussing anarchism in ancient Greece.

At a glance there are a lot of such articles, so if you think there's enough to fill its own page, then I say go for it. if you're not sure, you could add it to the Anarchism in Greece page, but I think that Ancient Greece and Contemporary Greece are different enough to warrant two articles.

2601:543:C001:FE13:189C:9DDE:3E6A:2568 (talk) 00:01, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I think that you at least can try to write tan article about this unusual subject. Ruslik_ Zero 20:23, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slot_machine
Please remove the citation from Mike Dixon, you are costing me stupid perversion of Justice problems and a fellow with same name fighting for a refund from fraud remote cheating me out of over $10,000 from stupid TAPROOM GAMING — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1:922F:8360:90E8:C770:E880:4310 (talk) 20:23, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Do you think the article mischaracterizes Dixon's research? If so, start a discussion on the article's talk page. We will not remove this information merely because you assert that it is causing you problems. -Arch dude (talk) 03:00, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Reset a GA review opening (admin needed)
Hi, an IP opened a review for an article that I nominated for GA status. But it was their only edit and it was a test edit. I reverted their test edit. Can an admin delete the GA5 so that a GA reviewer can open it properly?? here is the link : Talk:Xbox_360/GA5 Thank you JC7V  -constructive zone  23:26, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * For future reference, you can add on pages created by test edits, which will get an admin's attention quicker than posting here. Iffy★Chat -- 08:50, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Continual undoing of my simple edit
Recently I've been doing a little research on canines. Outside of Wikipedia, I found multiple references to the family Canidae containing a creature referred to as a 'dhib'. Obviously I came straight here to find out what a dhib was, as I'd never heard of it. Wikipedia did not have the answer.

After continuing to look it up, I found out 'dhib' refers to what is now known as the Egyptian Wolf. I have learned that 'dhib' is actually a somewhat important word as well; it's what these animas were referred to before their generic English name, it's the Arabic word for Wolf, it's the name used to identify these animals in the Bible, and it's a common surname or part of a surname. Very interesting!

So, to save anyone else the stress of digging this up, I find a good source, and I update the article with a simple edit along the vein of 'aka Dhib ' and put my citation next to it. Additionally, I took the effort to set up a redirect page so Dhib puts you on Egyptian Wolf.

Another user comes along and decides that they do not like my citation. They revert my change. Now, I felt my citation was valid, so I said as much and changed it back. My source was another online encyclopedia, not editable by the public, fully cited. This same person decided that the source was not valid because it was a copy of an older Wikipedia article; and of course they undo my edit, again.

I still felt the source was valid, but I can understand the concern, so I go and I look and I find an actual book, ISBN and all, that is not cited on my original source, and I put my edit back with this new reference. Our person from before goes and looks at a preview of the book, reviews four pages of it, and does not see anything on those pages, and decides this is fair enough to undo my edit, again.

I feel like I have done more than enough due diligence to add one little edit as important as the creature's actual original name, and that changing it back again on my part would look like an edit war. What can I do to prevent this busybody from continuing to blank my valid edit?

Note: I have reviewed the activity of my counterpart and see that they've been warned about excessive reversion and edit wars before, as well as a history of unwelcome changes of their own, so I feel more inclined to believe that I am on the right side of this issue.

2601:543:C001:FE13:189C:9DDE:3E6A:2568 (talk) 23:56, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Rather than communicate via edit comments, you should attempt to engage with the other editor on the article's talk page and reach a consensus. Use non-confrontational language and assume good faith (WP:AGF), even (or especially) if you feel the other party is being unreasonable. If nothing else this will make your arguments sound more reasonable to third parties. If you and the other editor cannot reach consensus, continue as described at WP:DISPUTE. -Arch dude (talk) 02:52, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The book citation added did not include the page No. The other editor has searched the applicable section within the book but did not find the information quoted and was therefore justified in their removal, Book cites should habitually include page Nos. On another note, punctuation goes before references. Thanks. Eagleash (talk) 04:17, 7 September 2018 (UTC)