Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2019 April 15

= April 15 =

Duplicate parameters error
Greetings, Honolulu Volcanics is saying that it has a duplicate "title" parameter in a "cite journal" template somewhere, but I can't find it. JoJo Eumerus mobile (talk) 07:03, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Fixed with the help of this clever script -- John of Reading (talk) 07:10, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. JoJo Eumerus mobile (talk) 09:21, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Citing an image
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:John_R_D%27Alton

I am a new user. I have uploaded an image to the Infobox in the above article and wish to use a citation that meets all the Wikipedia requirements. For this reason I included a fair bit of text for the acknowledgements. This is showing an error message. I used the template from another article I found to do this but it doesn't seem to have worked. I have another image I wish to upload but apparently I can't do that until I have had the article approved and in the public space. Can someone please help by providing the best template for the purpose. The images are on public display on an explanatory panel in a public park. There are several organisations that provided the panel and I want to acknowledge them all. Many thanks Paul — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul S Stuart (talk • contribs) 08:18, 15 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi Paul. The template you are trying to use is classed as a "failed template" and is not in use.  The image is effectively titled by the infobox heading, so I've just added the caption to explain whence the image came.  I'm not aware of any reason you can't add additional images whilst the article is in draft space.  Is there a problem uploading to Commons?  If so the Commons village pump may be a good starting point.
 * One small point: on discussion pages please sign your comments by adding four tildes ~ to the end, then we know who is "talking" in a conversation. Thanks.  Martin of Sheffield (talk) 09:25, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Did I screw up this redirect/move?
Did I screw this up? It's an article on the local newspaper Portland Mercury. It has been called The Portland Mercury until about six month ago before they started calling it Portland Mercury. I was going to do a page move, but the target name already existed which ironically redirected to the other name. I redirected The Portland Mercury into Portland Mercury. Can someone look at the changes I made and see if it was done correctly? Graywalls (talk) 10:01, 15 April 2019 (UTC)


 * You just duplicated the page in both places, fixed now. You can't move over an existing age unless you have admin rights to delete the target Jimfbleak - talk to me?  10:11, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * What you did is not correct and I have undone it. You did a cut and paste move.  If you can not move it yourself because of history on the target redirect you need to ask for the page to be moved.  You normally do that at WP:RM/TR.  I will fix it for you.  ~ GB fan 10:12, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , Thanks. I wasn't really sure what was supposed to be done given that the target existed. Also, would you restore my updates to the contents that was lost in transitions? Graywalls (talk) 10:17, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I have restored your latest edit and reverted to it. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:22, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Repeated instances of a Note with the same wording
I have 2 sentences (in 2 different paragraphs) that have a note (group= note) with the same wording. At the end of the article I would prefer to have only one Note with that wording rather than two identical notes. How can I do this, please?SCHolar44 (talk)


 * Does do what you wanted, ?  WP:REFB explains how it's done. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:48, 15 April 2019 (UTC)


 * It certainly does, David! Thank you very much. For the life of me I couldn't find WP:REFB, though I spent about an hour trying. Now noted! Best wishes, Simon. SCHolar44 (talk) 23:40, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Citing student newspapers
Do we have a policy or guideline that says student newspapers aren't reliable sources? I thought we did but can't seem to find it. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 13:41, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It depends on what you're trying to support. Take a look at this discussion and see if it is of any help. Graywalls (talk) 17:00, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Religious affiliation of 'biographees'
To wikipedia.org Help Desk Why are Wikipedia.org biographers no longer including the religious affliation of those persons they are writing about? I feel that this is sn important component of who a person is -- and if thay have no religious affilliation whatsoever, they should be lisyed as 'nones'. Wikipedia.org used to routinely provide this information in each biography. Why has this info been removed? I would like to suggest that Wiki.org returns to its previous policy, and provide info about the religiious identity /background of every person you write about. Thank you. (Ms) DDO Illinois — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1008:B011:8C4A:B0B2:DEC2:2767:30AC (talk) 16:53, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * If you are talking about the little box to the right of the article (called an "infobox"), the decision to remove the "religion" parameter was made in this discussion in 2016. For subjects where their religion is an important part of their identity, that should be discussed in the article text, to give the reader a fuller and more nuanced view. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 17:14, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Page Mohammed PBHU prophet of islam
You Should change the article about Our Prophet Muhammad PBHU Your article says that the founder of ISLAM is Muhammad, it's wrong Muhammad is not the founder of Islam he is the Prophet of Islam like ʾĀdam (Adam) ʾIdrīs (Enoch) Nūḥ (Noah) Hūd (Eber) Ṣāliḥ (Salah) ʾIbrāhīm (Abraham) Lūṭ (Lot) ʾIsmāʿīl (Ishmael) (PBHH). You should edit the article by "Islam is the first and last religion of the world and founded by Allah S.W.T" in our belief otherwise we take legal action against the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.187.36.227 (talk) 20:24, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * We cannot prevent you from taking legal action, but you cannot edit Wikipedia until you either withdraw your threat of legal action or until that action is concluded. You can pursue your grievances in the courts of your country or on Wikipedia, but not both. If you have concerns about any article, there are proper channels to address them; legal threats are not such a channel. 331dot (talk) 20:45, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I can't find an article with this exact title - I suspect it is a typo for "Muhammad PBUH", which redirects to Muhammad ("PBUH" stands for the honorific phrase "Peace Be Upon Him").--Gronk Oz (talk) 03:04, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Changing incorrect information.
I would like to change the information on my wikipedia page. My place of birth and birth date are incorrect. This is causing confusing request. Looking forward to hearing from you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ordena Stephens-Thompson (talk • contribs) 21:34, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Please note that it is not "your wikipedia page", but a Wikipedia article about you. You will first need to confirm your identity with Wikipedia by emailing the address at the end of paragraph located here. You can then visit the talk page of the article(Talk:Ordena Stephens-Thompson) and make a formal edit request(click that link for instructions).  You will need some sort of published reliable source that has the correct information; while I believe what you say, all information must be verifiable. 331dot (talk) 21:43, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Place birth, Jamaica. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ordena Stephens-Thompson (talk • contribs) 21:40, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

WP:Verifiability - does a website that requires log in meets the verifiability criteria?
Hello,

Wiki sources must be verifiable (WP:Verifiability and WP:Reliable_sources). Do websites that require log in into an account to provide information qualify as verifiable? As an example, www.appannie.com provides information about app rank history, i.e. one can check if an app reached the top sales for a given country. However it requires an account to provide the data. Does it qualify as a verifiable source?

BTW: it is my opinion that it should qualify based on existing precedents: Most scientific publications require log in to paid website to retrieve the paper (e.g https://www.elsevier.com/ or https://www.sciencedirect.com/)

Can someone inform me if there is an official position on this subject?

Best regards, Coel Jo (talk) 22:06, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Per WP:PAYWALL, sources that require log in or even payment are still verifiable.—Bagumba (talk) 22:45, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It does not keep it from being a reliable source (WP:RS). However, it also does not contribute to its being a reliable source either. Its reliability must be analysed separately, and that may be harder to do if we cannot see information about the site's editorial or other policies if another editor challenges the site's reliability. -Arch dude (talk) 23:20, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * You might also be interested in the explanation at Reliable sources/Cost and the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Verifiability/Archive 65, which gives the paywalled Gartner (computer industry) reports as a reliable source (for some information; obviously, no source is reliable for absolutely anything and everything, or we'd just use the same source to cite every sentence in every article). The key point is that the login/payment has no effect on reliability.  A source that requires a login could be good or it could be garbage, and which category it falls into depends upon both the source's inherent qualities and also the statement you're trying to support.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:40, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

legan name change.
How can I submit or change when my legal name change? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kazustudios (talk • contribs) 22:23, 15 April 2019 (UTC) \
 * While I've blocked you for having a promotional name, if you provide a reliable source that confirms your legal name change, I won't revert the edits you've done to your article. I'll wait for a couple of days. Lourdes  00:19, 16 April 2019 (UTC)