Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2019 April 26

= April 26 =

Signing by Sinebot
Some new users forget to sign their comments on my talk page. Signing comments is a pain for me. I noticed that messages on User talk:Oshwah gets signed by Sinebot. I tried to include in the category. But it didn't work at all. So I decided to ask help from User:Thegooduser. But he didn't able to fix it either. Any suggestions to fix this would be helpful. Sincerely,    Masum Reza ☎  03:00, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the problem is that you're trying to add a category specified for non-talk pages to a talk page? – Teratix ₵ 03:15, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * In [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Masumrezarock100&diff=880715161&oldid=880635701] you added . This says ClueBot III is the only bot allowed to edit the page. Remove this and if you don't want restrictions on bots. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:40, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Well Thegooduser have already tried that. You can check my talk page history if you want. Still though I am going to remove these templates just in case and see what happens. Sincerely,    Masum Reza ☎  22:44, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * If you think there is a problem with an edit then post a diff to the edit instead of a vague request to check a page history. Your original post said new users. If you are now thinking of [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Masumrezarock100&diff=next&oldid=894164762] then User:SineBot says: "Editors with over 800 edits are ignored by the bot by default". Thegooduser has 11600 edits. SineBot signed for my alt account with 63 edits.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Masumrezarock100&diff=894300279&oldid=894300190] PrimeHunter (talk) 23:44, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Looks like the problem is fixed. But it didn't sign my comments after I opted in. Thanks anyway. Sincerely,     Masum Reza ☎  23:53, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I just told you "If you think there is a problem with an edit then post a diff to the edit", and then you fail to do that in the reply to the post! The edit notice for this page also asks you to be specific. You have edited several talk pages sine you opted in. If it was your own talk page then I wouldn't expect SineBot to sign for you there. Users may edit their talk page for many reasons which shouldn't be signed. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:10, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * My apologises. Here's the diff of opting in . And I was talking about my comments in my talk page. Thanks for pointing that out. Sincerely,    Masum Reza ☎  00:20, 27 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Notice that per User:SineBot, you are not supposed to rely on the bot to sign comments for you (anywhere, including on your talk page). Tigraan Click here to contact me 11:20, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Well I know that. But we're human and human make mistakes. So I opted in. Sincerely,    Masum Reza ☎  12:03, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Article links incorrectly
When looking at JJ Lin discography, I found that Genesis (under studio albums) redirected back to JJ Lin. I realized that an English version of the page did not exist and thus created it myself and it is now in the draft stage. However, my page currently directs to JJ Lin. How do I change this?

Bottledplane (talk) 05:27, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * nothing will be done unless the draft is accepted. Follow the instructions you have been given at: Draft:Genesis (JJ Lin album). – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 07:54, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I've already tried to make the correct changes to the page, I suppose I'll just redirect it if my draft gets accepted. - Bottledplane (talk) 08:16, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Can I interview someone about his biography and post it here?
I want to interview someone that has achieved many things in his life. I want to share it here. Is it okay?
 * Hi, ! Unfortunately, no. That's what Wikipedia calls WP:Original research; what we need to see is someone else talking about this person at length in a reliable source. If there have been articles written about this person in newspapers, for instance, you can use those to write a Wikipedia article about him. --valereee (talk) 09:04, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Page is Deleted
We updated our first draft for the company Wikipedia page. It has been blocked for advertising details. However, as per the Wikipedia guidelines, we have used only the generic details and information referring to the Wikipedia help pages. Can someone from the Wikipedia Team further guides us for the same. Kindly let us know if we need to submit the company overview details too, for your perusal.

Editor's summary: QD G11: Advertising — Preceding unsigned comment added by 3EA Global (talk • contribs) 09:05, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , the page has been deleted so I can't see the content, but from the title Draft:3EA Research Reveals Growing Entrepreneurship Potential for MSMEs in UP it looks like a press release. Wikipedia only includes information that has been published in nonaffilliated reliable sources, not information provided by the companies themselves. I'm also a little concerned about your username -- if that's the name of the company, you'll need to change it, per WP:username policy. And since you work for the company, you have a WP:conflict of interest and should read the page at that link, too. I know this is a lot to take in. --valereee (talk) 09:16, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Now blocked as spam user name making spam edits <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  12:14, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

What if I'm the first one to interview this company's history?
I want to create an article that states everything about a specific company. I'll interview and jot down everything he'll say. Then, he'll sign the paper saying that everything I wrote is accurate. Is that alright? And everything I've interviewed will be posted on my website or perhaps put it directly here in Wikipedia. Is that fine? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haroldok (talk • contribs) 09:11, April 26, 2019 (UTC)
 * No. Content must be sourced to reliable, published sources (see WP:RS). Your personal website would not be considered a reliable source. What you are proposing is original research (see WP:OR). Meters (talk) 09:17, 26 April 2019 (UTC)


 * , as I said above at your first question, that's WP:Original research. If you're the first person to interview a person or take a company's history, the person/company probably isn't notable under Wikipedia policy. You can learn more about our requirements for proving notability at WP:notability. --valereee (talk) 09:20, 26 April 2019 (UTC)


 * (ec)::Please sign your posts (use 4 tildes like this ~ )
 * Now that I see who asked this, I see that you already asked the nearly identical question. Not surprisingly, you got nearly the identical answer. Meters (talk) 09:27, 26 April 2019 (UTC)


 * . Wikipedia is basically uninterested in anything that a company (or any other subject) says about themselves, however that is reported - whether in an interview, on their own website or literature, or in a press release. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to write about it, and been published in a reliable place. --ColinFine (talk) 15:49, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Editing relevant Wikipedia pages to create a new Wikipedia page
We, the Anudip Foundation are a non profit organization involved in providing skill development training and facilitating employment to the marginalized youth in India. We want to create a Wikipedia page highlighting our organization's field of work. We were following the guidelines laid down by Wikipedia to create a new page involving editing the pages of our channel partners, donors, or online newspapers/magazines publishing articles highlighting our company. While doing so, our intent is strictly to create a page on Wikipedia and in no way meant to promote ourselves from a commercial standpoint. However, we came across a message triggered by the built-in filter of Wikipedia warning us for pursuing the promotion of our brand. Please show us the way to create a new page including editing pages of our partners/donors.

Looking for a response from your end.

Thanks and Regards, For Anudip Foundation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnudipF (talk • contribs) 11:55, 26 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi, it looks like your edits have been reverted as they tend not to be relevant to the page you've made them on. Adding details of your company onto barely related articles is viewed as being highly promotional. There are materials available to help you create an article for your own company, however this is highly discouraged as it is unlikely to be accepted due to your conflict of interest. --IrnBruFan7 (talk) 12:17, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note that editor now blocked by OrangeMike for user name violation <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  12:20, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * No. That's not what we're here for. Wikipedia does not exist to promote your cause, however noble you perceive it to be. If your organization is genuinely notable, then somebody else, somebody without your obvious conflict of interest will write a neutral, fact-based article about the organization which will not serve as blatant and shameless promotion of the organization, its partners, its "brand", etc. That somebody, obviously, cannot be whoever is hiding behind the name of the foundation. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  12:23, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Header not showing in mobile view
The page WT:MOS has a header that is not displaying in mobile view (via browser). The first thing displayed after the title is the first discussion topic. Where can I ask whether this is an error? Jmar67 (talk) 13:41, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Try WP:VPT, to discuss possible Wikipedia technical errors. RudolfRed (talk) 16:58, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you refer to. I see eight boxes at top of Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style in desktop, and an archive list to the right of the table of contents. They are all hidden in mobile at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style. It's normal that various message boxes are hidden in mobile. It's determined by CSS classes. I don't know whether more is hidden than normal. I do see a collapsed table of contents before "Style discussions elsewhere [keep at top of page]". PrimeHunter (talk) 21:30, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I see nothing between title and "Style discussions...". Do not see TOC on any page. I am using iPhone with iOS, Safari. It may be normal, but I think I remember seeing a header at one time. I do see everything in desktop view. Could this edit have something to do with it? I have opened a discussion on the page. Jmar67 (talk) 21:38, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Ji. Sung actor
Informo que ele tem outro filho — Preceding unsigned comment added by 191.241.230.10 (talk) 18:20, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * This appears to be Portugese for "I inform you that he has another son". Our article on Ji Sung lists one son, born February 2019. If there a another son, please provide a source and do this on the article's talk page. -Arch dude (talk) 18:42, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

kanopy
Anyone can post how to terminate a kanopy account please, their noting on the web that i can find. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.237.233.195 (talk) 20:11, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * P computing.svg This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Computing reference desk. They specialize in answering computer questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try  for an article related to the topic you want to know more about.  I hope this helps. --MrClog (talk) 20:14, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

CS1 errors
Hi, I don't know if you've received similar requests, but I've recently been seeing various errors (I think CSMaint?) in my cites. According to &lt;param>|Help:CS1 errors#Cite uses deprecated parameter &lt;param>, it seems that  is now deprecated. Does this mean I will have to manually find every single eg cite journal I ever made using this param (probably well into the hundreds), work out which particular combination of six new params and two arguments fits the bill, and then laboriously change them all? And how to go about it? Maybe I have missed something.

Many of these errors relate to cites for JSTOR or ONDB articles. It would be totally beyond me, but how trivial would it be to code a bot-type thing (or automated procedure) which would find all my edits containing eg cite journal with  and   and replace the deprecated param with, say,  ? Or there may be another way round it. Cheers, >MinorProphet (talk)
 * You don't need to do anything if you don't want to. There are gnomes who like doing stuff like this (and we love and appreciate them for their often unacknowledged labors).  For JSTOR using jstor you don't need to do anything.  Sources linked through identifiers, jstor, doi, etc typically lie behind a paywall. Because that is the normal case, we do not highlight that norm so cs1|2 does not support subscription / registration icons for those identifiers.  For the occasional cases where the identifier-linked source is free-to-read, use free and the like.  url is the opposite; sources linked by url (and chapter-url and aliases) are presumed to be free-to-read.  When they are not, subscription (also   and  ) can be used.
 * Links to JSTOR should be through the identifier jstor and not through url.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 22:05, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your swift and helpful reply. Although I have been using  and not   for some time, I realise I have also been using   where it isn't necessary. But I really dislike the red errors splattered all over the Refs sections, and I would like to try to fix them. Returning to my original question, would I have to do this clean-up gnomish task manually? Is there even a way of searching for such edits as I outlined above? Cheers, >MinorProphet (talk) 23:19, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * You can do a search-and-replace in the article text using the wikisource editor (advanced menu > quizzing-glass icon at far right). Because editors rarely write citation templates in a consistent manner you might want to use the regular expressions (regex) capabilities of that tool.  So, for the simple case of just deleting the subscription, in the 'Search for' box write this:
 * and leave the 'Replace with' box blank.
 * Replacing subscription with subscription, use the same the 'Search for' box entry but for the 'Replace with' box write this:
 * subscription
 * remember to check the 'Treat search string as a regular expression' checkbox
 * What the search means:
 * : the pipe used to separate parameters in a template has special meaning in regex so it must be 'escaped'
 * : zero or more space, tab, carriage return, or line feed characters; the escaped 's' is any of these space characters; the asterisk means zero or more of the preceding 'thing' (space in this casee)
 * : any character that is not a pipe or that is not a closing bracket ; this part of the regex allows us to find any text assigned to the parameter including text not accepted by the parameter
 * I don't know if there is a way to restrict a search to your Special:Contributions; perhaps someone here does. All of the articles that exhibit this error message are listed at.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 00:13, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Aha! The severely demanding logic (and fleeting joys) of regex. I was already thinking of something along the lines of grep or sed - I used to teach Unix for beginners many moons ago. That's a fabtastic explanation of something I would have really struggled to remember: thanks very much for your clear exposition, and your time & effort. I'll have a go. >MinorProphet (talk) 07:02, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * : any character that is not a pipe or that is not a closing bracket ; this part of the regex allows us to find any text assigned to the parameter including text not accepted by the parameter
 * I don't know if there is a way to restrict a search to your Special:Contributions; perhaps someone here does. All of the articles that exhibit this error message are listed at.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 00:13, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Aha! The severely demanding logic (and fleeting joys) of regex. I was already thinking of something along the lines of grep or sed - I used to teach Unix for beginners many moons ago. That's a fabtastic explanation of something I would have really struggled to remember: thanks very much for your clear exposition, and your time & effort. I'll have a go. >MinorProphet (talk) 07:02, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Changing Title (Moving not an option)
Hello,

I just drafted and sent my first page in for review (Draft:Joshua Z. Weinstein). Unfortunately, I made a small typo in the title of the draft, it should be "Joshua Z Weinstein."

I'm unsure of how to change that. I found options for "moving" the page but it doesn't seem to be an option for me (I don't have a "more" tab available at the top of my editing page).

I am happy to start a new page with the correct title and delete the old one but I read that it's best not to do that and just "move" the page instead.

Please let me know the best way to change the title as soon as possible. Happy to do it whichever way is best. Thank you!

Sabrina Sabrina Bleich 23:55, 26 April 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbleich23 (talk • contribs)
 * ✅ Article draft has been moved to get rid of the period. Please sign your posts with four tildes (~) so we know who you are. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  00:43, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I have repaired the broken link in your question. The space meant that the url couldn't be found, & in any case it is cleaner to use a wikilink rather than an external url. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:59, 27 April 2019 (UTC)