Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2019 August 16

= August 16 =

Family of Catherine,  Duchess of  Cambridge
Please help  - I  have  failed  to  get  both  the  page  number in  its  correct  place  and the  full  quote  in  with  the  Burke's  Peerage  book  added  in  the  Further  Reading section  at  the  bottom  of this  page. Please fix. Thanks 175.33.248.139 (talk) 05:08, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The page Nos and dates still don't go in the publisher parameter. Eagleash (talk) 10:33, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Welcome message needed
Hi there, sorry I don't have Twinkle yet. Can someone drop a welcome message (one of the detailed ones) on this user's talk page: User:EMC11240. The account is related to the subject of the BLP, works for him. Thanks. Bodding (talk) 05:37, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * You can send anyone a welcome message without Twinkle by going to their talkpage, opening a new section and typing . – Ammarpad (talk) 05:47, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Details of The British Institutes
Dear Wikipedia Team,

Please include the detail of The British Institutes in Wikipedia for users. The details are there at www.thebritishinstitutes.com.

I think this must be included so please have a look.

Regards Jayant Kumar Roy M- 9748456124 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayantroy1985 (talk • contribs) 07:34, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * If Wikipedia is going to have an article, we need substantial, independent, reliable source texts to research the Institutes and help us write the article. We can't use their own website, because that does not establish that the Institutes are notable on their own.  If you want the article created AND if you can provide that source text to help someone create the article, see Requested articles, where you can request an article be created.  Or, if you prefer, you can just create it yourself.  See Help:Your first article.  -- Jayron 32 15:30, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Looking for a Wiktionary template
I want to use some Wiktionary links on my userpage and I don't want they appear as external links. e.g. I want neverland becomes something like Neverland or neverland. A template for linking to Wiktionary entries. Thanks. --Wario-Man (talk) 09:25, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * You can link to  which shows up as Neverland. For other types of links you can write    which shows ups as Google . – Thjarkur (talk) 09:38, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Very helpful. Thank you. --Wario-Man (talk) 10:04, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Adding SideBox
Hi

Could you please let me know how can I add a sidebox to the Wikipedia page I am currently writing? Awaiting your quick response. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayadeep Subhashis (talk • contribs) 13:03, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * , which article? You can see Help:Infobox, but it can also be good to copy over an infobox from a related article. – Thjarkur (talk) 13:26, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * This is presumably User:Jayadeep Subhashis/sandbox.--Shantavira|feed me 14:05, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

New article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jro571/Dave_Getz
Hello, Although I've made a great many edits to Wikipedia articles, I never contributed an original article until a few days ago, about Dave Getz, the longtime drummer for the rock band Big Brother and the Holding Company. I strove to follow all the guidelines on format, citations, etc., but I fear that I got some things wrong. I would also like to include an illustration or two - either a photograph of Getz or a reproduction of one of his original artworks, or perhaps both - but I'm not sure how to do this either. I'll be very grateful for any assistance! Getz turns 80 next year, and richly deserves his own Wikipedia entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jro571 (talk • contribs) 13:13, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I've had a quick look at the page and it's a sound basis for development into an article. Couple of quick points: I feel the 'early life' section is a little too long It should probably be shorter than the main 'thrust' of the article (his career with BBTHC etc) and phrases like 'contributing a powerful but supple and elegantly varied quality' smack of point of view, without a source to back them up. I think he would pass WP:NMUSIC but some more independent references would help - which provide WP:SIGCOV. I note there is already a page for Getz (a redirect to the BBTHC page) this would need Admin. attention to delete to make way for a move once the page goes through AfC. As far as images are concerned, copyright will be an issue if it is not an image you took yourself. Eagleash (talk) 14:23, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The section about 'Renewed involvement with visual arts' appears to be a copyright violation of his website bio. Wikipedia takes copy-vio very seriously and this should be re-written as soon as possible to avoid any potential issues. Eagleash (talk) 22:50, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Video-but-not-really 3D file (.stl) - play from inside Wikipedia?
Context: the article Prince Rupert's cube is about a 3D geometry problem that is quite hard to visualize. Fortunately, it includes File:Prince Rupert's cube.stl which allows to grab the thing in 3D and have a better feel of what happens.

Unfortunately, you have to click through a few times: once from the article to go to the Commons page, and once again to go to, from where you can grab the thingie. It sounds like suboptimal user design compared to videos or audio (where you click on the play symbol and it starts to play).

Is it possible / desirable / planned to display such files in a more user-friendly way that the current manner (which is basically "download it")? Tigraan Click here to contact me 13:51, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not a graphics or Wikipedia programming expert, but it seems that an animated .gif might work better, since it would be clunky to have to instruct readers to click and rotate the image. See [] as an example. But then again, some people don't like visual distractions while they are trying to read. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  15:07, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * That's a workaround, but a 3D model file contains more than a gif ever could. For instance, you can download it yourself and play around in your favorite CAD software (if you're into that sort of things, of course, but you're reading an article about Prince Rupert's cube after all). Tigraan Click here to contact me 07:54, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Do not archive
I have been using the following to stop certain posts on my talk page being archived"

(Extra geek credit to anyone who recognizes why i chose that date)

I noticed some pages use this instead:

Other than the pin message, is there any difference/advantage between the two? Does the "DoNotArchiveUntil|1875911772" really make any difference? --Guy Macon (talk) 15:16, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Alright, dug through the documentation on those templates. The "DoNotArchiveUntil|1875911772" is due to someone specifying a number of days for the Do Not Archive template to last, and then it translates that into a Unix time stamp that the archive bot can read. In this case, 1875911772 means 08/18/2019 @ 2:50pm (UTC). However, it sounds like only Cluebot used the Unix time stamp. User:lowercase sigmabot III just reads the human-readable string in the invisible comment & ignores the Unix time stamp, so it's probably not necessary to have the Unix string anymore, now that Cluebot is inactive.
 * The PIN bit is from a wrapper template which provides a visible stamp to the section, so people know it's not being archived until X date/time. It automatically puts in the DNAU template along with the notice, but defaults to a 10-year wait on the archiving. It doesn't seem to take any other parameters, so it'd have to be manually removed when the section is ready for archival.
 * That in mind, there's also Template:Bump which apparently can take the "x number of days" parameter as well as a custom note for the pin, and then apply it all neatly in one go. If you don't specify a timeframe, it defaults to 30 days. This is probably the best option, but the actual notification is really tiny.
 * So your first example is either another template that's being substituted, or someone manually putting in the DNAU without the Unix timestamp. Which certainly looks cleaner. &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 15:24, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * So your first example is either another template that's being substituted, or someone manually putting in the DNAU without the Unix timestamp. Which certainly looks cleaner. &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 15:24, 18 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Very informative. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:55, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

How to cite multilingual pages properly?
Cite templates has a parameter lang, which denotes the language of the page/work. What happens if there're multiple languages on a single webpage? Should the parameter be left out? For example http://taohofoundation.org/obituary/ .--Roy17 (talk) 16:55, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Since we try to minimize rules and guidelines, we must use our judgement in a case like this. Since you are citing, I recommend you use the language that actually contains the information you are citing. If you, the editor, got the info from the English, cite the english. If you got it from the Chinese, set lang to Chinese. For more complex cases, remember that a template is a convenience feature. It is quite possible to carefully craft a citation that does not use a template, or in a case like this, use the template and then add text after the template but within the ref, like (English and Chinese). -Arch dude (talk) 17:21, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The guidance on template:cite web gives the example of lang or language=French, German. Presumably other cite templates are similar. TSventon (talk) 17:38, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Hamsa Majed and Salah Al Bahar and Murtaja Adel Nasser
I wrote these three articles a few days ago but have not yet appeared on other search engines \ Google Akram.altameemi (talk) 19:12, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The articles need to be marked as formally reviewed before search engines can index them; that takes time. Wikipedia has no control over Google's or other search engine's processes.  Is there a particular reason you want it to appear quickly? 331dot (talk) 19:19, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

There is no specific reason but previously I wrote several articles and was reviewed quickly and appear on Google Akram.altameemi (talk) 19:26, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Editor keeps asking about this (see above, '' on 14 August here) and has been advised on several occasions that the articles do not meet standards. Advice has been given in respect of ways to improve them but has not happened. Eagleash (talk) 20:26, 16 August 2019 (UTC) Archived.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  20:47, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

GRAND FORKS AFB
GRAND FORKS AFB IS IN NORTH DAKOTA, NOT SOUTH DAKOTA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_MAJCOM_wings_of_the_United_States_Air_Force#cite_note-Mueller199-206 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.4.221.158 (talk) 19:41, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The article Grand_Forks_Air_Force_Base says it is in North Dakota. Is there another article you see an error in?  RudolfRed (talk) 19:53, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The error was in the article linked above. Now fixed.] IP editor, this is a wiki, and you can do this kind of thing yourself if you want; ask if you want to find out how.  But thanks for letting us know. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:15, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Post-move default contents on redirect
When a page is moved, the content of the old page title is set to. Is there a Mediawiki: page that sets this layout?  Nixinova  T <b style=background:#00a1ff;padding:2px> <b style=color:white>C</b> </b> 22:05, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The addition of a blank line and  is from MediaWiki:Move-redirect-text. I don't know whether   can be changed. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:32, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info <b style=background:#0800aa;padding:2px> <b style=color:white>Nixinova</b> </b><b style=background:#006eff;padding:2px> <b style=color:white>T</b> </b><b style=background:#00a1ff;padding:2px> <b style=color:white>C</b> </b>

Can I add someone to wiki
Am I able to add someone to wiki that is not listed that should be? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sexylexy1989 (talk • contribs) 23:12, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Depends on who the person is. They need to meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability, which usually requires multiple instances of coverage in reliable sources (e.g. major newspapers) that are not associated with the person. – Teratix ₵ 00:00, 17 August 2019 (UTC)