Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2019 August 3

= August 3 =

Huggle Troubles...
— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  20:54, 9 August 2019 (UTC) Details a problem I am having with Huggle... James-the-Charizard (talk) 00:05, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.16.66.87 (talk • contribs) 3 August 2019 05:13 (UTC)
 * Volunteers here cannot help without a link to the article in question. The 'request' here is the only edit visible in your contributions. Eagleash (talk) 05:36, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

you are missed the details of poi solla meyyar and ponnan temple history
Where are the details for a Poi Solla Meyyar Ponnan Temple, Konnaipatti, Moolangudi, Tamil Nadu 622401, India.

Coordinates: 10°17'52"N 78°35'10"E



I need full history details and photos for all gods in this temple.

Poy cholla meyyar Bhadra kali of Moolangudi History of Poy cholla meyyar Bhadra kali of Moolangudi UMoolangudi village is in the Pudukottai district near Ponnamaravathi. There were a brother sister who were children in this village., they were very close. One day when they were guarding paddy which was put to drying, one villager it seems remarked that they were like husband and wife. This hurt both of them. They left that place wandered here and there and at last hid themselves in a pot of Bhajra. By the time the villagers located them, they had breathed their last. When they were cremated together, their body turned in to ash but nothing happened to their cloths. So they gain put it in the pyre. Still nothing happened. Then they heard a voice from heaven saying that both of them are Gods and would look after the village.The brother was called Poy Cholla Meyyar(Meyyar who does not tell a lie) and the sister as Seelai Kari Bhadra Kali. But immediately after wards the village started facing lot of problems. Thinking that it is due to Bhadra Kali, the removed the statue from the temple and threw is facing the earth in the forest. Things subsided but once a goatherd found the Kali and turned it to see the sky. The entire village caught fire ,. They then approached Poy Cholla meyyar and prayed to him to pacify his sister. He asked them to bring the statue and consecrate it facing him. The problems of the village disappeared. In this village there was a temple where Ponnan and Brahmar Karuppar were consecrated. They do not have a roof over them. These two gods belonged to a village 25 km from Moolangudi. Once a girl of Moolangudi got married to a boy of that village. When Moolangudi people went to that village after the marriage, they slept in the temple of Ponnan. That night Ponnan came in their dream and asked them to take Him along with them. Then they told him that taking a God from the boy’s place would lead to trouble. But when they assured that they would make Moolangudi prosperous they agreed. They got the symbolic stick from that temple came back and consecrated them in their village. The girl who went in marriage from Moolangudi was sent back. But Karuppar and Ponnan kept their promise and Moolangudi became a very prosperous village.Ponnan and Karuppar have become the assistant to Poy Cholla meyyar. By the side of Meyyar, two of their horses(statues) are always kept in readiness so that they can start to do any job at any time. People believe that daily night they go to their native village riding on these horses.Very near Moolangudi there is a Mountain called Vemmalai. There were two Sidha sages on this mountain. After their death they built a temple for them. They were called Mooligai Malayan and Shiva Lingam. They consider that Mooligai Malayaan is Lord Muruga, These villagers used to go on an annual pilgrimage to Pazhani. Once in their absence all their wealth was stolen. After this Mooligai Malayan came in their dreams and told them, that they need not go to Pazhani but come to his temple. Now this custom is followed. Apart from these Gods there are also Karutha Kaliyan and Chinna Karuppu temples in this village.There is ten day festival for Meyyar in the month of Vaikasi (May-June). During Maha Shivarathri also there is a festival. Once in every five years there is a festival called Avery Padaippu, when animals are sacrificed to Ponnan.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.137.245.222 (talk) 07:28, 3 August 2019 (UTC)


 * If you're after information about the temple, you can try Reference desk/Humanities. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:39, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Are you proposing this as a Wikipedia article about the temple? If so, please read WP:YFA to see how to proceed. Where did your get this material? Please provide a link if it is on the Internet somewhere. -Arch dude (talk) 17:32, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Can't figure out why article isn't displaying correctly
I added extra album art to the article for Overcast! (album) and it's showing up strangely, the right bracket that's supposed to be after the year 1999 under the next release is displayed under the artwork for the second art. I'm not sure if this is a strange glitch on my end or if I did something incorrectly, I cannot figure out what's up with that.RF23 (talk) 08:22, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * You didn't properly use the 'misc' param as the  Template:Infobox album doc describes. Fixed: special:diff/909127983. --CiaPan (talk) 08:41, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

ALI RAMZI NEAMAH
Hi - I have a draft I wrote today but I do not know how to bring it to the audit did not show me notice lifting to the audit Thanks to allAkram.altameemi (talk) 09:47, 3 August 2019 (UTC) akram.altameemi


 * , see So_you_made_a_userspace_draft. However, your draft (Draft:Ali Ramzi Neamah) will not be approved in it's current form, see WP:GNG. If you conclude, "Ok, those sources don't exist right now", write about something else. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:55, 3 August 2019 (UTC)


 * If you are referring to Draft:Ali Ramzi Neamah, I would say that you are a long way from submitting it for review using Articles for Creation. Please understand that successfully writing a new article is probably the hardest task on Wikipedia.  It takes much time, effort, and practice.  You should read Your First Article and use the new user tutorial first, to get an idea of what is being looked for.  In your case, it is not clear that the person you are writing about meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person, written at WP:BIO.  The only source you offer is YouTube, which is not generally considered an acceptable source as it is not an independent reliable source, being user-editable.  Please understand that fame is not the same thing as notability.  A "YouTuber" can have 5 million followers, but if they are not written about in published, independent sources, they would not meet our notability criteria, but a person with 50 followers who is extensively written about in independent sources would. 331dot (talk) 09:57, 3 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Note: Editor has previously been given advice in respect of substandard articles; see section Murtaja Adel Nasser and Ali Kadhim Hadi above and also their TP. Eagleash (talk) 11:20, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Question about page move vandalism
What is the best way to handle vandalism that involves page moves? For example, in a hypothetical scenario, if someone moves United States to maybe GREATEST COUNTRY EVER!!!, I could move it back to the original title, however it leaves a redirect. Since you need to be an administrator to move page without redirecting to the other page, how could I best handle this kind of vandalism? Interstellarity (talk) 16:39, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * If you move the page back, you can then tag the redirect for deletion using db-g3 -- John of Reading (talk) 16:54, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * since you are a non-admin, you cannot move the page back. I cannot find a guideline for this, so I just asked the folks over at Wikipedia talk:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Let's see what they say. If you see a case before we get an answer, I suggest you just report it at WP:AIV. -Arch dude (talk) 17:51, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * You may want to initially focus on getting the vandal blocked before they move more pages, so WP:AIV or possibly in some severe cases WP:ANI where you will find the attention of admins. And this may not be the standard advice, but depending on the reaction you get, you might want to let an admin clean it up. If not, they will usually clean up after you both as part of their usual routine. -- zzuuzz (talk) 17:55, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I should add that most page move vandalism results in a block, and if you were to make that particular move then you'd probably get blocked. But not every page move vandal will get blocked. If it doesn't rise to the level of getting an admin to block the user, then just move it back and G3 the redirect it as John says above. Where that threshold is is difficult to specify, but you probably know it when you see it. -- zzuuzz (talk) 18:10, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for all of your advice. It will help be a better vandal fighter. Interstellarity (talk) 18:21, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * If a vandal moves page X to page Y, leaving a redirect at X, then any autoconfirmed user can move it back provided the X redirect has not been edited. That's at WP:MOR. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:43, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Visual editor
I am new to Wikipedia. A few days ago, I updated an article useing Visual Editor. Now I go back to that article and the only choice it gives me is edit source. I have gone to my preferences and can't find a preference for enable visual editor. Not sure what happened, why it disappeared and how to get it back. Thanks Mgyes (talk) 20:11, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Go to preferences > editing, scroll down, editor, editing mode, select 'show me both tabs' from the drop down. Eagleash (talk) 20:17, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Pending changes and self-reverts
So I just came across a situation where a user added some nasty vandalism to a page under pending changes protection and then reverted themselves. Since the latest revision was identical to the revision before the vandalism, I couldn't reject the changes through the pending changes interface or revert them manually, and I was forced to accept them. Of course there's no real problem with accepting the edit since there was no net change to the page, but it feels a bit wrong to accept a change from a user who was clearly acting in bad faith. Is there a way to reject self-reverts on pending changes pages? I guess I could make a dummy edit and then revert all 3 edits to the previous version, but that seems like it might annoy people. Thanks for your help, SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 23:25, 3 August 2019 (UTC)


 * - there is a template warning at WP:SLT for self-reverts Article you can place on the editor's talk page - cheers - Epinoia (talk) 00:06, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Lupton family
2 concerns  please - Please fix  up  ref  number  56  and  also this  file: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Francis_Lupton%27s_home_-_Newton_Green_Hall_Estate_-_prior_to_his_1847_marriage.jpg

needs to  be  rotated  so  that  it  looks  correct. Thanks for  helping  me  with these    2  issues. 175.33.248.139 (talk) 23:57, 3 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Your edits have been reverted. To remind you (as you have been told on numerous occasions) the button for you to use to revert your errors is "Undo". --David Biddulph (talk) 03:01, 4 August 2019 (UTC)


 * I would also remind you of the advice you received at Help desk/Archives/2019 June 10. --David Biddulph (talk) 03:06, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Lupton family
Please replace recently added citations and rotate the file which was added to this page. Editor David Biddulph accidently removed recently added file and citations. Please return recently added file of old photo which David removed. The photo needs to be rotated. I cannot do these things on this device thanks and so sorry. 1.152.104.4 (talk) 06:42, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 * To correct the reference, change the spelling of the month in accessdate from Augist to August. The file will need to be rotated at Commons. A request has already been made in this respect. Eagleash (talk) 08:52, 4 August 2019 (UTC)