Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2019 December 7

= December 7 =

How to create a newsletter
Hi friends,

I like to create a newsletter for my WikiProject so contributors can subscribe, how do I do it? The mw:Extension:Newsletter and mw:Extension:MassMessage seems not enabled in EN or META.

Or, it could be because I am not admin so I can't access Special:CreateNewsletter

xinbenlv Talk, Remember to "ping" me 02:13, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The MassMessage Extension is enabled, as you can see on Special:Version. However, we cannot see how the extension is configured. To create a MassMessage recipient list, you would have to go to Special:CreateMassMessageList as an admin. For other ways, please see mw:Help:Extension:MassMessage. Come back here if you have any problems. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 05:30, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Table help
I made a table in User:Melofors/sandbox, which doesn't seem to be working. It was working perfectly fine a few edits ago, as you can see here. Can someone please fix this? Thank you in advance! Melofors 07:42, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * — It was a missing end-slash-character (syntax delimiter) from  107.15.157.44 (talk) 08:09, 7 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Turns out it was not a missing slash (which wouldn't make much sense in a markup opening tag anyway) but rather a whole missing closing ref tag - see special:diff/929669076. --CiaPan (talk) 14:21, 7 December 2019 (UTC) (Ping User:Melofors. CiaPan (talk) 14:23, 7 December 2019 (UTC))
 * (The missing slash fixed the table; the missing  fixed the references). 2606:A000:1126:28D:E579:84AC:9408:ADE (talk) 17:12, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * There was no 'missing slash'. I had to remove it to make a reference correct, and then the properly opened and properly closed reference was no longer spoiling the table. Check this comparison – you'll see no slash added. --CiaPan (talk) 09:23, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text
Hello. Really Really Really small mistake. In the Wikipedia page Most Disliked YouTube videos it says something along the lines of

“ PewDiePie achieved a video in the top 5 by specifically asking his own viewers to dislike his video.[15]”

But his video is now the 6th most liked video and it still has not been fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.100.172.252 (talk) 11:53, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The source is from 2016, it says it was then the third-most disliked video, which seems likely to me. I changed the text to "In 2016," [...] "achieved a video in the top 3 by specifically asking his own viewers to dislike his video." Wakari07 (talk) 18:02, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Creating new categories
I've come across a group of articles that it might be useful to have a category for (Category:Photo League members, which would be under Category:American_photography_organizations). I've looked around but been unable to find a discussion page for new categories, or somewhere where one would propose them. Could you tell me the typical process? It is just WP:BEBOLD?ThatMontrealIP (talk) 12:03, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Catgorization is for particular user communities, so a "process" for category creation doesn't make a lot of sense: you need agreement among the affected community. I would just be bold, but if you can think of any possible reason someone would disagree, use the talk page at WikiProject Photography to build consensus. -Arch dude (talk) 15:42, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

I want to create a new page 'নিতাই বসু' but it is showing restricted to administrators
I am trying to create a page on 'নিতাই বসু' নিতাই বসু, but I got the following message:

"The page title or edit you have tried to create has been restricted to administrators at this time. It matches an entry on the local or global blacklists, which is usually used to prevent vandalism. If you receive this message when trying to edit, create or move an existing page, follow these instructions:

Any administrator can create or move this page for you. Please post a request at the Administrators' noticeboard. You may also contact any administrator on their talk page or by email. Be sure to specify the exact title (especially by linking it) of the page you are trying to create or edit, and if it might be misunderstood (for example, an article with an unusual name), consider explaining briefly what you want to do. If you wrote any text, save it temporarily on your computer until you can edit the page."

Ipcould not figure out exactly where to ask for help, so I ended up here. I have already written the text in my personal sandbox. Please let me know how to proceed to create the page নিতাই বসু.

Thanks, Nilotpal.sanyal (talk) 12:06, 7 December 2019 (UTC) Nilotpal
 * You are currently on the English version of Wikipedia. As the article is written in a foreign language, it wouldn't be suitable for this version. However, Wikipedia is written in hundreds of languages! You would be best placed to add your article to a different language wiki. Google translate told me the words were in Bengali, which the Wikipedia for this language can be found at bn.wikipedia. This might be wrong, but the main page has links to all different versions of Wikipedia, and would be the location for an article written in another language. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:18, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I would add to the excellent advice above that each language version of Wikipedia is its own individual project, each with their own editors, policies, and requirements. 331dot (talk) 15:46, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

My correction to calories in Honey page was reverted to wrong info
I was researching sugars (proportions glucose, fructose, etc.) in various sweeteners and I noticed that contrary to other sources the Wikipedia Honey page stated 46 calories per TB. Further it was footnoted to a reference-- which I visited-- wherein it shows 63.8 kcal per TB. I assumed the wiki page showed a transcription error having reversed 64 to 46. I edited to show 64. I did not footnote my change, as the footnote in place goes to data that substantiates the changed data.

as per [8] https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/?query=ndbNumber:19296 https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/169640/nutrients (showing 1 TB)

This number is not in dispute and the number I changed was not consistent with the attached footnote.

I received a message on my next visit to wikipedia stating my edit has been reverted back to the incorrect info as it "was not helpful".

As many people use wikipedia as a reference I believe it is important to fix the matter.

What further action can I take?

2601:982:8201:174:CCB1:D42C:2684:6494 (talk) 17:58, 7 December 2019 (UTC)Sherry


 * Your edit was perfect and thanks for helping. However, you did not add an edit summary, so your edit looked like a very common type of vandalism: a "drive-by" change to a number by an anonymous user without any explanation. Our over-worked anti-vandalism patrollers do not have time to carefully check references in a case like this. Please try again, but with an edit summary this time. -Arch dude (talk) 20:29, 7 December 2019 (UTC)


 * A helpful edit summary in such a case might read "fix typo: number as in source cited". Maproom (talk) 21:26, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Did not create the page
Hi, There's inaccurate information on my page that someone created. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Chan_(chemist) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:151B:1FE5:49E2:DDD9:C4E:56B (talk) 18:38, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Please detail the incorrect information, either here, or on the article talk page. Please also provide any independent reliable sources you have to support it if needed. If you are Julia Chan, I would suggest that you create an account and demonstrate your identity to Wikipedia by emailing the address written at WP:REALNAME.
 * If the information is libelous and needs to be addressed as soon as practicable, please follow the instructions at WP:LIBEL. 331dot (talk) 18:49, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Are you Julia Chan? If so, you have a conflict of interest and shouldn't edit the article directly. Instead you should post suggested changes on the talk page Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:53, 7 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Please also note that it's not your page. It is Wikipedia's article about you, and you have no control over it. However, if there is unreferenced inaccurate information on that page, you are free to remove it immediately and without discussion (see WP:BLP). For any other changes, since you have an unavoidable conflict of interest (see WP:COI), please make suggestions for change, with references, on the article's talk page. We really do want the info to be correct. -Arch dude (talk) 20:22, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

As pointed out above, you should not edit the article about yourself, as you did in these four edits. --CiaPan (talk) 21:05, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Naming vs. Consistency & Constant updates
Hi, I'm going to lump 2 questions in here, there's probably no complete consensus, but if someone can help summarise best practice (and point to any policies/guidelines that clearly answer them, I may have missed something). Thanks all. (not watching, please ping) - ChrisWar666 (talk) 20:02, 7 December 2019 (UTC) Hmmm, another one:
 * I saw a move request at Talk:Pedro_Carlos_of_Orl%C3%A9ans-Braganza and found WP:NCNT which isn't too clear about royal families that have no kingdom anymore (Brazil would be an empire, and 'prince' wouldn't be the monarch, although 'prince imperial' would). The problem is that we now have various articles about the family titled prince so and so (compounded by the fact there appear to be two different branches) whilst others (per WP:COMMONNAME) don't use 'prince'. A sub-question is if there is any specific WP:N rule for 'royalty', as some of these people don't have WP:SIGCOV to establish WP:N, at least not in English WP:RS.
 * Another question that has cropped up has to do with updating information (e.g. youtube hits, song sales, etc.) Take for example Team_Trees which has a daily-updated table of how much this project has raised. This seems to head too far into WP:TRIVIA, but I'd like to know if there's a hard and fast policy/guideline/consensus.
 * Partly to do with the question about updating, what about links to videos (e.g. for music) and itunes/amazon/shops throughout articles? From what I understand, they serve as references to themselves (although not preferred), but what about other situations? music videos on songs, for example? references to people's dates of birth? Any help/consensus? - ChrisWar666 (talk) 14:09, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I guess this is too complex for the help desk, so I've taken it over to the Teahouse :) - ChrisWar666 (talk) 12:38, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Quit asking me for money
If you are going to be rude to me as well as call people names (which is just rude to begin with) with no proof to uphold calling names, which is somewhat childish. I have donated in the past but if I am continued to be treated rude in any way, I certainly will not donate again and I work at a Government job and can easily spread your wrongdoings.KimNFred (talk) 21:03, 7 December 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by KimNFred (talk • contribs) 20:11, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * You can disable the donation request banners in your Preferences. I don't see where you were called a name or had rudeness directed at you, but if you continue with the attitude you showed to, you might find yourself blocked. This is a collaborative environment where you must work with others who may disagree with you. Understand that Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state. By the way, if your username is meant to suggest that two people have access to your account, you will need to change your username. 331dot (talk) 20:16, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually, that's, who has been "signing" edits with the fictitious username KimNFred. I've blocked OogaBoogaa as a disruptive editor. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  01:58, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * They had their username changed from "KimNFred" to "OogaBoogaa" yesterday since they had gotten a warning for having a username implying shared use. – Thjarkur (talk) 16:54, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

enabling visual editor?
I'm helping out with an editathon this week, is VE not automatically enabled on new accounts? VisualEditor/User guide indicates you must enable it in preferences -- is that just out of date? --valereee (talk) 21:12, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The source editor is the default one, but when they click on Edit they are presented with "Welcome, do you want to switch to the Visual editor?". – Thjarkur (talk) 21:27, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , thanks! --valereee (talk) 21:35, 7 December 2019 (UTC)