Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2019 July 22

= July 22 =

adding info
I'm new to this. I'd like to add a name, in alphabetic order, to an existing detailed list in Wikipedia. But I don't know how to go about adding that name and it's accompanying information. Any specific help as to how to edit this list would be appreciated. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reefy14 (talk • contribs) 00:12, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * , which list do you want to edit? --MrClog (talk) 00:20, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Added info to new section
In the article "Sin-eater", I changed the following paragraph, originally listed under the "History" section (citation removed at the end of the first sentence):

"Margaret Atwood, The sin-eater, a Canadian Broadcasting Corporation radio feature from 1981, . In the film The Bourne legacy, 2012, the subject is used: Buyer tells Cross that they are "sin eaters," doing the "morally indefensible" but absolutely necessary thing, "so that the rest of our cause can stay pure." ... The story is that a village has one person who is treated extremely well and whose job is to eat food symbolic of people's sins, so that he assumes all their sins so that they can die in a state of grace. The sin eater is extremely old and weighed down by the sins of hundreds of people. A young man is being groomed to be a sin-eater. The old sin-eater dies and the first task the pure and innocent young man must do is eat the sins of the sin-eater including the lifetime of sins he has consumed which, by extension, includes the sins of all the thousands that have been absorbed by endless generations of sin-eaters. In other words, lured by the comforts to be provided by the adoring villagers, the young man becomes the most damnable person in history. His only hope is that one day, many years later, another young man will be similarly lured into eating all the sins that this young man will have to bear."

to the following, for which I created the section "Popular culture":

"Margaret Atwood wrote a short story titled 'The Sin-Eater'.

Sin-Eater is the name of a Marvel Comics villain.

The Sin-Eater was a Canadian Broadcasting Corporation radio feature from 1981.

In the film The Bourne Legacy (2012), the subject is used: Buyer tells Cross that they are 'sin eaters', doing the 'morally indefensible" but absolutely necessary thing, 'so that the rest of our cause can stay pure.' ... The story is that a village has one person who is treated extremely well and whose job is to eat food symbolic of people's sins, so that he assumes all their sins so that they can die in a state of grace. The sin eater is extremely old and weighed down by the sins of hundreds of people. A young man is being groomed to be a sin-eater. The old sin-eater dies and the first task the pure and innocent young man must do is eat the sins of the sin-eater including the lifetime of sins he has consumed which, by extension, includes the sins of all the thousands that have been absorbed by endless generations of sin-eaters. In other words, lured by the comforts to be provided by the adoring villagers, the young man becomes the most damnable person in history. His only hope is that one day, many years later, another young man will be similarly lured into eating all the sins that this young man will have to bear."

I hope my added example wasn't too irrelevant, or too lacking in detail. Please let me know if any or all of what I did was good or bad. (Note: I added these two sentences at the end after the first posting.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 03:00, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Undelete a version of a file - Verifone Logo.svg
Request to have a deleted version on File:Verifone Logo.svg undeleted so it can be moved over to WikiCommons. The logo is public domain, consisting of only text. (It'd previously been categorized as a fair use file and resized.)--The Navigators (talk) 04:08, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ In the future please use WP:REFUND, as the help desk is not typically for requests for admin assistance. -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 04:44, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

I have created a new page.
The move option is missing on my wikipedia sandbox. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mainul Ahsan Noble (talk • contribs) 07:35, 22 July 2019 (UTC)


 * See WP:MV. Regards, Willbb234 (talk) 07:46, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The move option will not be available to you until you have made at least 10 valid edits and your account is at least 4 days old. In the meantime, there are messages at your talk page which you should study carefully. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 08:49, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

This article may meet Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion as a page that was previously deleted via a deletion discussion, is substantially identical to the deleted version, and any changes do not address the reasons for which the material was deleted. The following discussions may be relevant: AfD. See CSD G4.

Above message is repeatedly coming in my page. Now, what can I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mainul Ahsan Noble (talk • contribs) 07:53, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

UK Inter Services Cricket
Dear Sirs,

I am the archivist for all matters relating to Inter Services Cricket from 1928 to the present date.

I note on Wikipedia that there is no article that covers this, just individual articles relating to the individual services. Royal Navy, Army and Royal Air Force.

My question is how can I submit an article about this please.

Many thanks, Victor Isaacs — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stattovic (talk • contribs) 10:16, 22 July 2019 10:16 (UTC)
 * You will need to read the conflict of interest policy and the paid editing policy first. You can then read Your First Article and use Articles for Creation to submit a draft for review; however, you will need independent reliable sources for what you write about. 331dot (talk) 11:58, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I assume that an archivist will have ample access to independent reliable sources. Unfortunately, what is needed is independent reliable published sources. If this particular archive includes newspaper reports, should be in a good position to create an article such as they propose. Maproom (talk) 17:41, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Headings - Sheffield Futsal Club
Hi,

Headings on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheffield_Futsal_Club

All the headings under 'Managerial History' are falling under that head and not creating their own heading. If you look on the page on mobile the 'Honour' and 'References' etc are under the 'Managerial History' heading

Could you let me know where I have gone wrong please

Thanks, Carl CarlosW14 (talk) 11:07, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I've removed a few lines of table formatting that were causing the problem. I'm not sure what they were doing there in the first place though so I hope removing them hasn't inadvertently broken anything else. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 13:31, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Published draft
My page has been published but it's still showing the draft and it can redirect to the main page when I searched it online. How can I remove the draft from google search so that it will be showing the main page directly? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Opeinoluwa101 (talk • contribs) 11:54, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure which page you are referring to, but unless the page states "Draft:" at the beginning of the title, it is not a draft. It takes time for search engines like Google to index new articles; they must also be formally reviewed before they can do so.  Wikipedia has no control over Google's search results. 331dot (talk) 12:00, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * On the assumption that this refers to Olukoya Ogen, the page has been accepted via AfC and should be indexed by Google shortly. Google searches do not usually return Wikipedia drafts. Where did you see this? Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 14:02, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Google results for me are showing the draft (which redirects to the article) as the fourth result, below the actual article and Ogen's institutional profile and Google Scholar citations. This is very probably a temporary aberration as a result of the recent move; even if it weren't though, Google is another site and will show whatever its algorithms dictate, we don't have any say over it. Google results pages have a "send feedback" link at the bottom; reporting this through that form might conceivably get a result. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 14:45, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

How to deal with quotations when in the source editing view
When in the source editing view: Is it possible to locate the quotations only in the references section (or generally in the end of the article)?

Reason for asking: Long quotations embedded in the main article text (the default I suppose) makes editing in the source editing view more difficult.

Have read a lot of how-to's but found nothing about this problem.

The Perennial Hugger (talk) 14:49, 22 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Hey The Perennial Hugger. The answer there is "yes, but it gets a little messy". You can do this using Template:efn and a footnote section using Template:Notelist. The markup looks like this:

{{talk quote| Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet.{{efn|name=fn1}} Consectetur adipisicing elit.{{efn|name=fn2}} Sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua.{{efn|name=fn1}}

Reference / footnote problem
Does anybody have an idea how to properly include that ref (i. e. without having it be squeezed in at the very bottom)?--Hildeoc (talk) 17:16, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, Hildeoc. Please take a look at WP:Referencing for beginners to find out how to make in-line citations.--Quisqualis (talk) 17:51, 22 July 2019 (UTC)


 * That references section has an awful lot of editorial text in it that perhaps is better made part of the actual article either as separate notes or part of the prose. Were it me, that is what I would do.
 * For that particular citation, most of the bibliographic detail is duplicated so you might clean it up a bit. Here is one possibility:
 * – Pete Seeger attributes the song "Michael Row Your Boat Ashore" to Tony Saletan. Seeger offered the same attribution (calling the song as "Michael, Row The Boat Ashore") in his paperback songbook:
 * The above also fixes the Seeger 2010 template.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 17:52, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. That looks a lot better to me now. Thank you so much!--Hildeoc (talk) 18:04, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The above also fixes the Seeger 2010 template.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 17:52, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. That looks a lot better to me now. Thank you so much!--Hildeoc (talk) 18:04, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

hide and/or unpublish published drafts
Hi, quick question: I just created a userspace draft for a new article. Can one briefly=temporarily publish a draft - just to see what it looks like - and then unpublish/hide again? (In other words, if clicking the "Publish page" button leads to irreversible publication, I do not want to do that yet.)

Thank you, R Rebner (talk) 19:18, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * In that context, "Publish" is equivalent to "Save". The button used to say save, but it was changed for legal reasons, to send the message that anything you wrote will be public after you hit the button.(note that you click "publish" to edit this page).  It does not formally place your draft in the encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 19:24, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

FINDING DRAFTS
Hi, how do I find the draft that I created (and published=saved) earlier today ...?

Thanks, R — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rebner (talk • contribs) 19:41, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't see any draft in your contributions, or in your deleted contributions. Perhaps you didn't click the Publish changes button? ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 19:43, 22 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Perhaps you were not logged onto your account. If you remember the name, it would be   -- unless you were using a sandbox, in which case... I dunno, probably SOL. 107.15.157.44 (talk) 20:04, 22 July 2019 (UTC)


 * You could search through Special:Recentchanges and look for something familiar. -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 20:12, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Or you could just start over :P -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 20:15, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I just noticed from your previous post that it was in userspace, so it would be  (if you were logged on and remember the name). 107.15.157.44 (talk) 20:33, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Where did this article go?
We used to have an article. It was called something like "List of Milestones for the Academy Award for Best Picture". It was a rather long article. And it listed all of the "milestones" of the films. For example, longest winner, shortest winner, first R film, first black-and white film, first X film, first animated film, first foreign film,  etc., etc., etc. Does anyone know where that article went? I cannot seem to find it. And I typed in search words in all of the appropriate places. And nothing has come up. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:58, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Could it be List of Academy Award records? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:14, 22 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks. But, no.  It was originally a section of the Academy Award for Best Picture article.  Then, that section started getting too long.  So, it was made into its own separate article.   Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 00:22, 23 July 2019 (UTC)


 * See this link: .  This is an old version of the "Best Picture" article.  There is a section called "Milestones".  All of those were removed from the article and placed into a separate stand-alone article.    Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 00:32, 23 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Probably List of superlative Academy Award winners and nominees, which is currently proposed for merger into List of Academy Award records. I found it by happenstance when I glances at the top to that article. -Arch dude (talk) 00:34, 23 July 2019 (UTC)


 * No. I found this page: List of Best Picture Milestones.  What does all that mean?   Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 00:43, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * See Articles for deletion/List of Best Picture milestones for the reason(s) it was deleted. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 00:45, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 02:52, 23 July 2019 (UTC)