Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2019 July 27

= July 27 =

Privacy edit request
Is there any way to make something disappear from the edit history? At some point my wife's birthdate was put into her article. I have edited the article to give only the year, but anybody going back through the edit history can find the full birthdate. This is a bit of a privacy issue (Personally Identifiable Information); is there any way to fix it? Bgoldnyxnet (talk) 00:22, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I moved this to the correct place for you. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 11:17, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Brianariotti (talk • contribs) 00:23, 27 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Before you make any further edits you need to make the mandatory declaration of paid editing. After that you can read the guidance on conflict of interest.  Note that a photo to which you "own the rights" cannot be used on Wikipedia unless you donate the copyright or it is released under a suitable Creative Commons licence. David Biddulph (talk) 00:35, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I have tagged the articles Lori Singer and God Knows Where I Am with undisclosed paid tags for now, I am currently looking through them to see if they follow policy. TheAwesome  Hwyh  00:53, 27 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Like David said, if you want the the photo to (no guarantee) be used on WP, you have to "give it to the world", so to speak. If that's ok, the copyrightholder can start here: . If editors generally agrees it's a better photo, it can be used. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:52, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Adding vendor references without 'creating a directory' - seems inconsistently applied
Hi folks,

I'm new to Wikipedia and was interested in understanding this kind of edit "WP:NOT WP:DIRECTORY" (apologies if I don't get the formatting right there; link to the edit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Operational_historian&diff=881114445&oldid=878666920)

There's currently a list of applications/vendors in "Time Series Database" (TSDB) that seems similar to what was removed in the above link on "Operational Historian".

Any guidance or clarification on this would be great - thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frito Lay On My Desk (talk • contribs)
 * Actually, if you will look at the talk page of that article, you will see that we were going to remove that list (which does reek of "directory" to me), until somebody came up with some sources which were neither from the manufacturers of those products, nor "reviews" which were clearly regurgitated press releases. Unless you can come up with analogous sources for the operational historian article, expect to see a mere directory again removed. (I would also suggest that you be explicit about who you work for, lest suspicions arise as to a possible conflict of interest behind some of your edits. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  05:04, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Adding item to current page
I want to add my Dinner Theatre to the list already on the site. How do I do it? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cafeluke (talk • contribs)
 * If someday the Café Luke in Slidell, Louisiana or any other dinner theater becomes notable enough to merit an article in an encyclopedia (hey, it could happen), then somebody without your obvious conflict of interest may take an interest in the topic, and write an impartial article, relying on information from reliable sources, and without any regard to how Ricky or Ginger or anybody else wants the place to be depicted. You, on the other hand, can do nothing of the sort, for reasons I hope are now obvious. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  04:57, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Multiple versions of an image
Greetings, wise inhabitants of the Help Desk. I want to use a cropped version of a Commons file inside an Infobox, but the Infobox template does not support cropping parameters. So am I right that the only way is to upload a new, cropped version of the file? If so, is there some way to make it an alternate version of the existing file, or do I just edit it and upload as a new, additional file? --Gronk Oz (talk) 06:51, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * See User:Maproom/cropping for an example of cropping an image within an infobox. Maproom (talk) 07:06, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * That is how it was originally set up, and it worked. But another editor removed that because the cropping parameters are not supported. I checked the template documentation (in this case it was Infobox scientist) and sure enough they are not there.  So is it acceptable to use them anyway?  I don't want to get into an edit way over something like that... --Gronk Oz (talk) 03:20, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * With the crop tool on Commons, an image can be cropped with just a few clicks. That's how I do this. You do have to set up the tool first. It is a new additional file with the default name "origfile (cropped).jpg". You didn't mention the file here, but if you want me to crop it, I'd be glad to. MB 04:31, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay, I will try that. They initial image was not mine, but is has CCSA-4 license so I guess I can upload a variation of it.  I might not get to it tonight; real life is getting in the way.--Gronk Oz (talk) 09:13, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, forgot to ping MB.--Gronk Oz (talk) 09:15, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * my understanding is that no "unsupported parameters" are involved. Indeed, including unsupported parameters in a template never has any useful effect. The Infobox scientist template has a parameter "image", which is given a valid value. Maproom (talk) 07:58, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * the "image" parameter is valid, but bSize, cWidth, cHeight, oTop, and oLeft don't appear to be - those are the ones that control the cropping, and they are not mentioned in the template documentation.--Gronk Oz (talk) 09:13, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * , With Maproom's method, the cropping is done with markup within image, so those parameters are not part of the infobox. Take a closer look at the example (or make a separate file).MB 21:21, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, I've got it at last!    - thanks for sticking with it.--Gronk Oz (talk) 00:13, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

South Philadelphia
I am amazed how gentrification affects your listings and history? South Philadelphia contains “Little Italy” not ill Ireland?? I never met or witnessed anyone there Irish, I do believe the Irish were in Germantown, but definitely not SOUTH PHILLY, The African American neighborhoods and Italian neighborhoods flourished there, and have always! Jesus, Lil Italy (Italian American)Fish Markets (African American) You white wash everything on this page, it is apparent and appalling like saying Chinatown in Philly was Irish!! 🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pdecarlo1 (talk • contribs)
 * If you have a concern about a specific article, you should address any comments about it to that article's talk page. Please understand that Wikipedia summarizes information that appears in independent reliable sources; if you have such sources to support your information, please offer them. 331dot (talk) 12:03, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

I don’t know who to ask
So I will ask here. I took a screen shot of the 2017- present Subaru Forester about 2 months ago and the class of car was rally car, I looked again today and it’s a crossover. I have a concern now, how can I get some information on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:100a:b11d:bf62:f0fe:10b7:ef85:92ec (talk • contribs) 15:00, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? If so, which article or image are you referring to? -Arch dude (talk) 15:42, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * This page is only for questions about how to use or edit Wikipedia. For answers to your questions you can ask Subaru directly through the 'Contact us' link on their website, or call or visit your local Subaru dealership. - cheers - Epinoia (talk) 15:55, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The article is Subaru Forester. If you click on "View history" you can see who has edited the article between late May and late July, and if you click on "prev" you can see the individual edit differences. The article talk page is the best place to discuss the article content: the vehicle class has been discussed previously. TSventon (talk) 16:53, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * There was a discussion on this back in 2012, at Talk:Subaru_Forester - it seems everybody struggles to put it into a single class (perhaps that's what "crossover" means). As mentioned above, each article has a "Talk page" devoted to discussing the content of that specific article - it would be the best place to engage people on your question.  In this case it is at Talk:Subaru_Forester. --Gronk Oz (talk) 03:32, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Given about our caste wrong
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanniyar

Kindly remove the article My phone Number [redacted]
 * Please do not leave addresses or phone numbers here: they are visible to everybody. -Arch dude (talk) 17:12, 27 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Vanniyar has references to reliable sources (see WP:RS) and the information is therefore verifiable (see WP:V). If you have references to other reliable sources that contradict these, we (0r you) can add those sources and state that the sources are contradictory. If you are not comfortable with editing the article, rasise you issues (and provide your sources) in the article's talk page. -Arch dude (talk) 17:18, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Special:Undelete/CIMLS request
We have noticed that CIMLS page has been deleted. We would like to understand the reason for deletion. Also, what is the process for activating the page.

Thanks, Izadk
 * I assume by "we" you mean you are a company representative. Please review and comply with WP:COI and WP:PAID. The article was deleted because it did not indicate that your company meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable company, which you can read at WP:ORG. Not every company merits an article here, even within the same field. Notability is determined by significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Even if your company meets the criteria, your conflict of interest will prevent you from writing about it. 331dot (talk) 18:04, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Information use request
I would like to use information about Missiles and Rockets for a book'''

John Williams
 * As long as you give attribution, you may use Wikipedia information if you wish, though Wikipedia is not a reliable source and not usually appropriate for a scholarly or similar work. You may want to use the sources Wikipedia uses in the relevant articles. 331dot (talk) 18:19, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * For the tedious details, see Copyrights. Please read the license (WP:CC-BY-SA) carefully, since by actually copying creative material from Wikipedia into your book, you are required to license the result to any third party under the same license, and you or your publisher may not want to do that. If you just copy facts ("information") and not creative material (e.g., whole sentences or paragraphs), you are not infringing any copyright, but you should still cite Wikipedia if you use it as a matter of ethical practice and scholarship. -Arch dude (talk) 18:41, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-government company page creation
I need to create a page for a semi-government project from middle east. Please help me create it. I have citations from well-known news portals. Can anyone help me out. Thanks in advance — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2019-07-27T20:05:29 (talk • contribs) Drashtimehta03 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:YFA and follow the instructions and guidelines there. If you ten have difficulties, come back here. -Arch dude (talk) 22:04, 27 July 2019 (UTC)


 * However,, if you start by saying that you need to create a page, you almost certainly need to read What Wikipedia is not. A Wikipedia article does not belong to anybody, and is not for anybody's benefit, except Wikipedia's. --ColinFine (talk) 11:07, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Defeated by syntax
I added a picture to this page. I did the best I could with the syntax but it displays in the wrong location.

Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Recorded_Texas_Historic_Landmarks_(Grayson-Hudspeth)#Grimes_County

Entry, Grimes county courthouse foobar (talk) 20:55, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * - Yes, there's a complicated mixture of table cells, calls to templates, and images. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:01, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks -- foobar (talk) 21:15, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Blue link for deleted article?
While reviewing a question at the Teahouse, I went to this AFD discussion: Articles_for_deletion/Ayodhya_City_F.C.

On that page there is a wikilink to a now deleted article: Thonburi University F.C.. Normally that would show as a red link (as it does here in my question) but on that page it is showing as a blue link. Is that normal, or is this a glitch to report at the Village Pump tech page?

RudolfRed (talk) 21:06, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I checked the page and all links to the article you mentioned show red for me. The Doctor Who  (talk) 21:10, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. RudolfRed (talk) 22:04, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It's normal. Pages are cached for performance reasons. The blue link just means that the article existed the last time the AfD page was rendered. It's still blue for me. A purge would turn it red. There is no automatic process to render pages with blue links when a page is deleted. Are the links to Thonburi University F.C. really red for you on Articles for deletion/Ayodhya City F.C.? The links to Ayodhya City F.C. are red but we are discussing another article. Maybe we are hitting different servers. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:29, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * yep the link for that is red for me. The Doctor Who  (talk) 22:38, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, for me to (I am running through the Amsterdam cache cluster). See also Wikimedia_servers (Scroll down to see a list. Requests from Europe usually land in Amsterdam. The same problem also occurs with dated Categories, I.e Category:AfC pending submissions by age/0 days ago when the pages aren't edited, so they dont get moved to "older" Categories. 2001:16B8:508A:6600:5455:4DAC:A8C5:582 (talk) 03:41, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Is this how you're supposed to disambiguate this sort of link?
Hello! I have recently been fixing links to disambiguation pages, but I'm not really sure how one would fix links about nationalities. So, for instance, if a link said "she is Swedish", should I disambiguate that to Swedes or to Sweden? TheAwesome Hwyh  21:22, 27 July 2019 (UTC)


 * From what I have seen and for the benefit of the reader, it should be linked to the country ie. ‘Sweden’ instead of ‘Swedes’. Regards, Willbb234 (talk) 21:30, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Although WP:OLINK says that countries should not be linked. From what I have seen, links to the people E.g. English is frequently used and does not contravene OLINK. Eagleash (talk) 21:40, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * So, I should link to Swedes instead of Sweden? TheAwesome  Hwyh  21:54, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Personally I wouldn't (and don't) link to either; just type the 'plain' nationality. Your choice though; linking to the 'people' is less likely to get edited than say English . Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 22:02, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. I'll just avoid linking to it, then. TheAwesome  Hwyh  22:21, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Checking on the status of biography posting
About three months ago, I wrote a biography on blues musician Mighty Mike Schermer and sent it to you to post. I was told it would take 2-3 months before it would be posted. From what I can tell, it still hasn't been posted. Might you be able to give me an update on it?

Thanks so much,

Bob Rose — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobrosay (talk • contribs) 27 July 2019 21:35 (UTC)


 * Who did you send this biography to? Regards, Willbb234 (talk) 21:42, 27 July 2019 (UTC)


 * The only item showing in your contributions is your post at this page. Were you logged in when creating the content or using another account? What title did you give to your page? I have not been able to find a draft for 'Mighty Mike Schermer' or 'Mike Schermer'. A draft for a Mike Sherm (musician) was rejected in February as it had no content, I.e. it was blank. More information would be needed for us to try to help. Please do not post contact details as this page is very visible. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 22:05, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * If you sent something to someone via e-mail, then it's likely that no action was taken, since that's not how Wikipedia works. Please read WP:YFA to see how to create an article. -Arch dude (talk) 22:01, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

2020 Major League Baseball season
Can you fix the reference I Made on Cubs Cards coming to London please. 68.103.78.155 (talk) 23:01, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ Could not find the title of the article, as shown in the existing ref, at the MLB website but found an alternative (same site) and used that. Eagleash (talk) 00:16, 28 July 2019 (UTC)