Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2019 July 9

= July 9 =

Why is the location map showing as the page image here instead of the photograph?
Looking at this article:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cranmer_House_(Denver,_Colorado)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cranmer_House_(Denver,_Colorado)&action=info

Following the logic here the page image should be the photo, not the map pin image.

https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PageImages#Image_choice

What gives? - Scarpy (talk) 01:02, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Are you asking why the pin appears? If you go to Template:Infobox NRHP and read about the locmapin parameter, and go to Template:Infobox NRHP#Coordinates to read about the parameters, you can see that the template puts the pin on the state photo that you select. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  01:17, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The question is about which image is chosen by mw:Extension:PageImages which for example controls the image shown in mobile searches. File:Cranmer House.JPG is probably avoided due to the height-width ratio . PrimeHunter (talk) 01:22, 9 July 2019 (UTC)


 * asking why it's the page image instead of the image of the house the appears first (see Wikimedia link). When using Special:Nearby for example you see the map instead of the photo. E.g.: as it appears 10th on the list here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Nearby#/coord/39.72091565346621,-104.95016734490052 - Scarpy (talk) 01:25, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I looked at the image choice code. It seems the photo gets 8 points for being the first image while the map gets 6 for being the second. They both get 10 for size. But then the map gets 5 points for having a width-height ratio below 2. The photo gets 0 for being between 2 and 3 (above 3 would have disqualified it). This means the map wins. Page images are often displayed in cropped versions to fit in a square or near-square. This cropping may change the image too much if is has a high width-height ratio. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:40, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * thanks, I didn't understand the nuances of the scoring system. Makes sense now. - Scarpy (talk) 17:47, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * while I've got you here, is it a similar issue for the panoramas on Speer,_Denver and Kern, Alaska? If it's easier just to point me to the code, can have a look there too. - Scarpy (talk) 18:44, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The panoramas are disqualified for their ratio. The parameters are in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T157162#3011684. I don't know whether they have been tweaked since 2017. All negative values are -100 which guarantees the image ends with a negative score and is disqualified. There is PHP code to process the parameters in https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-PageImages/blob/master/includes/LinksUpdateHookHandler.php. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:18, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error on Adonis Tabanda article
Hi. I'm getting a cite error at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Adonis_Tabanda. I checked the coding format and it appears to be correct. It wasn't there when I edited it originally. I would appreciate any help you can offer. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ejvalerio (talk • contribs) 04:55, 9 July 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't see any Errors right now. Did you edit a single section? This is sometimes causes cite errors when named references are defined outside the edited section. Otherwise it looks like the server had some temporary glitches. Jannik Schwaß (talk) 06:22, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Apparently the problem appeared in Special:Diff/904905253 12:26, 5 July 2019 UTC, and has been removed two edits later in Special:Diff/905444396 04:57, 9 July 2019 UTC. CiaPan (talk) 07:08, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for responding. Yes, I was able to locate the source of the problem and correct it. Thank you for replying, though. It is very much appreciated. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ejvalerio (talk • contribs) 16:48, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

How do i created Page for colorwashed in entertainment industries (Movies/TVShow/Videogames/Comics)
Since colorwashed is changing racial of White Character alike Nick Fury https://www.marvel.com/comics/collection/73920/sgt_fury_epic_collection_the_howling_commandos_trade_paperback  — Preceding unsigned comment added by AntiColorwashed (talk • contribs) 06:45, 9 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Is Racebending what you're thinking of? If so, you can add to it, using Reliable sources. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:05, 9 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Based on your username, it looks like you might be hoping to add material that argues for a particular viewpoint on this topic. If this is the case you should be aware that Wikipedia articles are written from a neutral point of view and cannot be used to make arguments of that kind. If I've misunderstood then feel free to ignore this message. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 21:00, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

I Know Wikipedia is neutral point of view, this Article showing more of Colorwashed of White Characters alike Whitewashed of Non-White Characters — Preceding unsigned comment added by AntiColorwashed (talk • contribs) 21:26, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

University names
Is there a preferred style in Wikipedia for university names (eg should it be "University of Manchester" or "Manchester University") or does each university have its own preference? How consistent does it need to be? The article about University of Manchester, for example, uses both forms.--Shantavira|feed me 10:43, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Use whichever name is appropriate for the specific university. Be careful that some may change their names over time, or be commonly known by a name that is different from their official name.--Gronk Oz (talk) 11:24, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The list in Universities in the UK shows that universities have their own preferences. University of Manchester only uses "Manchester University" a couple of times (plus "Manchester University Press" and similar) so you could replace them if you wanted to. No Wikipedia article is perfect. TSventon (talk) 11:43, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * That's a useful list. Thanks.--Shantavira|feed me 12:59, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * A minor point: the "appropriate" name, as defined by Wikipedia, is not always the "official" name of the institution. For instance, United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a redirect to United Kingdom. (In the case of UoM, I would expect the official name to be the common name, though.) Tigraan Click here to contact me 12:00, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Template:Sequence
Considering the above template, is there a way to reduce the line spacing above transclusions, as e. g. in this case, to "default lead spacing" (meaning the spacing regularly rendered above a transcluded template)? I guess that would harmonize the layout, and make relevant transclusions look somewhat more appealing. Thanks in advance for any assistance. Best wishes--Hildeoc (talk) 11:14, 9 July 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what space you're talking about, but ...did you try to remove an empty line between and  ...? --CiaPan (talk) 11:26, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Pinging again:, because the previous notification might fail due to my mistake in signing. --CiaPan (talk) 13:29, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for commenting. However, simply removing the empty line is more of a workaround, and may cause the source code to become muddled … Hence, I'd rather have the template's settings as such fixed.--Hildeoc (talk) 13:35, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * That's not the sequence template spacing, but rather the above item's spacing. When I check attributes of the generated HTML in my browser, an ordinary text paragraph (like the one with an empty line in it) has a bottom margin 0.5em which resolves to 6.35px. OTOH a bulleted list item has a bottom margin of 0.1em, which is 1.27px. Hence the vertical distance of the template-generated table from the text above it is about 5 pixels bigger if the preceding text is a normal paragraph than when the preceding text is an unnumbered list's item. You can test it yourself replacing the empty line with a row of normal text. So I suppose there's little you can do to achieve a 'default lead spacing' in this case. Either the table will stick to the list or it will be separated by a whole empty paragraph (plus 11 pixels of its margins in my case: 0.4em≈5px top and 0.5em≈6px bottom). --CiaPan (talk) 14:09, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Removal of False Or Fake Entry
I added an edit to an entry that was patently and stunningly false and offensive and CLCstudent removed it. How do I get garbage about my surname removed? The page Cotter (farmer) under heading Ireland is total fiction. There is no such word in Irish or English as Cottier that means peasant, the Irish word for peasant is tuathánach. The editor sites a book that probably took took the word from some Old Websters Dictionary that used to claim it was English for cottager, which is not true either as far as the surname. The name is Norse Ottar which in Norse Runes is spelled in a manner that looks like otter the Mac or son of was added and in speach became C'otter. Just read the Cotter name origin item on your own site and read about Óttar to qoute your own site: "was a powerful man from the Norse-Gaelic territory of the Western Isles of Scotland, known as the Sudreyjar to the Vikings. He seized control of the Kingdom of Dublin in 1142, according to Clare Downham after having been invited by the townspeople to become their king.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JakobKotter (talk • contribs) 12:59, 9 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is based on verifiability - i.e. what is included here should be based on reliable sources. If reliable sources say something - then it can be included - see Verifiability, not truth for more on this (basically, any material added to Wikipedia must have been published previously by a reliable source. Editors may not add content solely because they believe it is true, nor delete content they believe to be untrue, unless they have verified beforehand with a reliable source. However, if you can find other reliable sources to verify what you're saying - then please add them to the article (or on the article's talk page). If you need help finding these sources, then you can visit the reference desk for help doing so. (P.s. cottier does seem to be a word in English - A peasant who performed labour in exchange for the right to live in a cottage.)  Seagull123  Φ  14:51, 9 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! Your edit here does not fit in a WP-article, it is more the start of a discussion on the talkpage, Talk:Cotter (farmer). If the research is dubious find and bring better sources per WP:RS. If the WP-article you refer to has those sources, you can use those, but a WP-article in itself can not be used as a source on WP. Consider asking for input at the WP-projects linked at the top of the talkpage Talk:Cotter (farmer). Pinging . Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:53, 9 July 2019 (UTC)


 * These may be useful sources on the topic. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:10, 9 July 2019 (UTC)


 * The OED has cottar, cotter as a word possibly from Old English with the meaning you dispute, and cottier: In Ireland, a peasant renting and cultivating a small holding under a system hence called cottier tenure. I've no idea whether your individual urname came from these words, but they have certainly existed for hundreds of years.   Dbfirs</i>  05:48, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello
I don't add Argentina in "opponents" of Hezbollah because I am not signed up. Here the resource that Argentina declared Hezbollah a terrorist organization. Thank yours. AQUI — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.27.136.253 (talk) 13:13, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * . Hey IP editor, the link you've provided (using Google translate) doesn't appear to say that Argentina has yet declared Hezbollah a terrorist group, but that it plans to do so - therefore I haven't changed the Hezbollah page (I presume you mean this section of the page?) Also, requests to edit a protected page should usually be made at the article's talk page (you may wish to use the Edit extended-protected template).  Seagull123  Φ  15:00, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

yes, in coming days it will come as true when mike pompeo arrive in argentina. i'll let you know. thanks to yours sir. --181.27.136.253 (talk) 15:26, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Modification / Mise au point - Coat of Armes of Khilkov
Hello /bonjour

Mistaken / faute dans les armoiries de princes Khilkov:

- dans les armoiries Khilkov - qui dérive également de Rurik - il n'y a pas de deuxième ours Il y a trois familles qui ont presque les mêmes armoiries à une différence près, c'est que le deuxième ours qui ce trouve dans l'alîme, est unique pour les armoires des princes Gagarine, ce deuxième ours fut donné par l'Empereur Paul I au prince Gagarine pour service rendu. Il fut également privé de sa femme pour qu'elle devienne la maîtresse du Tsar !

Dont, celui qui a copier les armories Gagarine, pour le mentionné comme les armoires des princes Khilhov ne connaissait pas l'histoire ni la source de cette explication. Voir mon livre "Mille Ans d'Histoire des Princes Gagarine" - Jhk. Miguel CARDON de LICHTBUER

Merci pour faire la correction La deuxième ours dans ces armoiries n'est — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.134.116.148 (talk) 14:58, 9 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello! You've used the English Wikipedia, but you're speaking in French - here, you are advised to use English to communicate, so that everyone can understand you. There is a French Wikipedia too. (Translation/traduction: Bonjour ! Vous avez utilisé le Wikipédia anglais, mais vous parlez en Français - ici, il faut communiquer en anglais, pour que tout le monde puisse vous comprendre. Il y a aussi un Wikipédia français.)  Seagull123  Φ  15:06, 9 July 2019 (UTC)


 * I think this is about https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hilkovy_COA.jpg, an image on Wikimedia Commons, used in English and Russian Wikipedias. Maproom (talk) 17:53, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I cannot provide a full English translation of the comment (it is heavy on heradlry, of which I am ignorant), but it talks about a second bear in the coat of arms of the Gagarin that should not be present in the "Khilkov" coat of arms because it was a later addition. Whether "Khilkov" = "Hilkov" is left to someone with knowledge of Russian transliterations (so, not me). Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here to contact me 08:57, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Uncertain how to label link
On the page Our Lady of Fátima (disambiguation), one of the options in the "Churches" section is Our Lady of Fatima Church (disambiguation), which links to a page with that name, but without the "(disambiguation)". Could anyone please tell me if I should change the link, or leave it piped, like I just edited it?--Thylacine24 (talk) 17:43, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * You should have the link point to the redirect Our Lady of Fatima Church (disambiguation), per MOS:DABPIPE, as redirects can be used to link between disambiguation pages, and piping is generally avoided on these pages. Danski454 (talk) 18:38, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * So, to be clear, the link should just be "Our Lady of Fatima Church", without the "(disambiguation)"?--Thylacine24 (talk) 19:43, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * No, the link should be Our Lady of Fatima Church (disambiguation) RudolfRed (talk) 21:17, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay, but the page doesn't include the "(disambiguation)" in its title, and I find those "Redirected from" things to be distracting.--Thylacine24 (talk) 21:35, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * We link to pages with "(disambiguation)" in the title to make it clear that the link to a disambiguation page is intentional, per WP:INTDAB. In general we do not bypass redirects per WP:NOTBROKEN. You could use CSS to hide the "Redirected from" messages though. Danski454 (talk) 22:17, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion
An article under the title Culture Agora has been deleted within the hour of its publication by User Lord Bolingbroke. A previous review had provided a much more constructive advice requesting a series of changes, by --83.240.234.220 I was of course more than ready to readapt the full text according to those changes and enlarge the external sources, but there was not even time to do it. And it has not been possible to retrieve any of the published material and sources. Nullaparte (talk) 22:35, 9 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello Nullaparte, since the article was overly promotional and essay-like, it's understandable that it was deleted. I would suggest to you to just start over from scratch by first collecting mentions in reliable secondary sources, and write your article in draftspace under the title Draft:Culture Agora. There wasn't much encyclopedic content there, so sometimes it's just good to start over. You could maybe find some similar article here on a program supported by the European Union and try to copy that article's structure. You might be able to request undeletion over at WP:REFUND, but I would instead suggest to you to just start over by summarizing in a fairly dry manner what reliable sources say. --83.240.234.220 (talk) 23:12, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

catalog of articles I've published
How do I see a list of all articles I've published. I know there have been a few, but I don't remember all of them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grbrumder (talk • contribs) 22:55, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Go to your contributions, tick the box marked "Only show edits that are page creations" and click "Search". Or click here. Select "(Article)" from the drop-down box if you only want to see mainspace articles (not files, drafts, etc.). – Arms & Hearts (talk) 23:03, 9 July 2019 (UTC)