Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2019 June 13

= June 13 =

Pronunciation of "Vaclav Vaca"
Could anyone please tell me how to reformat the opening of the article on Vaclav Vaca to explain how to pronounce his name? It also says that "Vaca" should be pronounced as "Vasa", when I'm pretty sure it should be "Vatsa".--75.110.35.108 (talk) 00:31, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi I searched around for quite a while and couldn't find anything definitive (even on the artist's own website).  Perhaps it's best to remove it since it's unsourced and you believe it should be pronounced one way while a prior editor believes it should be pronounced another way (unless you can find a source) .  Orville1974  (talk) 12:55, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

New indent between the end of a paragraph and (a) footnote(s)
Could anyone please tell me if this is ever appropriate? The opening section of the article on the volcano rabbit does this.--75.110.35.108 (talk) 01:04, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Fixed. In this case the refs were for the preceding sentence so there is no possible justification for moving them from the end of that sentence. Meters (talk) 01:21, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

POOR EDITING INSTRUCTIONS
Editing NOT user-friendly. Please update AM/FM Stations in Arizona, to ADD - KMOG 103.3 FM. This has been 'On The Air/in service' for a very long time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AZ CJ5 (talk • contribs) 01:13, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi The FM station's call sign is K277BX.  The AM station's call sign is KMOG.  Since K277BX has no article, it's not included in the list.  Instead K277BX (103.3 FM) redirects to KMOG (the AM station). There is a mention of the FM station in that article.  Orville1974  (talk) 02:07, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Difficulties adding transcluded section
✅ Hi, there are numerous transcluded sections in this article: 2020 United States presidential election. I've made a transclusion here 2020 Green Party presidential primaries for the Withdrawn candidates subsection (which already included transcluded code for said section). However, as can be seen here:, it's very messy. Templates show up in the wrong place, then there's more article info and another references section. I suspect it's an unclosed bracket issue, but I'm not sure. How do I add the Withdrawn Green Party candidates transclusion without messing everything up? Thanks. David O. Johnson (talk) 02:09, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi There was an issue with the close section tag in the  2020 Green Party presidential primaries withdrawn section (it opened with section withdrew, but the close tag had withdrawn) so the entire remaining lower portion of the Green Party article was transcluded which hid the rest of the 2020 United States presidential election article below the transcluded reference list. There were also a couple missing close brackets in the Green Party article.  I think it's all fixed now. Let me know if I missed something.  Orville1974  (talk) 04:35, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help! It looks good. David O. Johnson (talk) 04:43, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Owner Name
Owner Name- Arun Prabhakar is written in the main column where you search Rambagh Palace wiki. On the write side a column is there  highlighting owner Arun, which is wrong So kindly change the owner Name to Rambagh Palace Hotel Pvt Ltd.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rambagh Palace (talk • contribs) 06:33, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi I've left a message for you on your talk page regarding your username and a potential conflict of interest you may have with the Rambagh Palace article. Please:


 * 1) Please request a username change here: Changing_username/Simple, then
 * 2) Disclose your conflict of interest on the article's talk page here: Talk:Rambagh Palace, then
 * 3) Request the change on the talk page (being sure to provide an independent, third-party source showing that ownership has changed hands) so a disinterested editor can evaluate your request.  Thank you!  Orville1974  (talk) 06:51, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Bernard Rhodes
There is a new editor, Real Punk Rockers, who is maliciously editing this page writing the subject has died when he is still alive and repeatedly removing all of the subjects early history and early career which are all properly referenced from respected sources. Can somebody help on this — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freshcolour (talk • contribs) 07:54, 13 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Courtesy link .--Shantavira|feed me
 * I've put a warning on the talk page. As the date of death is contentious, it should be removed unless a reliable source says they died. The removal of content is a seperate issue, which is similarly poor. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:51, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I've put another warning. is now in clear violation of 3RR (which they must be aware of, as they've deleted the first warning from their talk page). Maproom (talk) 21:08, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Why my addition on the page "factorial" has been removed??
Check my factorial page addition by an mathematician not by a asshole administrator who have no idea on math!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saradindu95 (talk • contribs) 09:21, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * note - Courtesy link is Factorial. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:24, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * - Wikipedia is based on reliable sources from generally published media. In this case, it seems to be original research, which is what the editor in question reverted (and added into the WP:Edit Summary. You'll also note that the editor in question is a computer scientist, and member of the mathematics wikiproject, so likely knows quite a bit about mathematics. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:28, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Your edit to Arithmetic progression has also been reverted for similar reasons. There are lots of possible formulas, but Wikipedia publishes only the most helpful ones that are found in WP:Reliable sources.   Dbfirs  11:19, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * And you want to watch your language. If you continue as a brand new account to be so hostile, without finding consensus, you will be blocked. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  13:38, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

translatewiki.net
Hello everyone, I noticed about something on CreateAccount page. Why only enwiki has "articles" word (between edits and recent contributors words. See?). But on all Wikipedias (I looked some of them, not all) it is "page(s)"; It should be change on all Wikipedias. (I think so this is the page on translatewiki.net). Thanks! ⇒ Aram  Talk  11:37, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree that it needs to be changed. Though I do not know how. If you choose English on another project it also uses "pages" . Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 11:53, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Articles, not "pages" are what an encyclopaedia contains.  Perhaps other languages don't have a similar word?   <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  11:58, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * What do you disagree with? We are all saying it should be articles, not pages. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 12:01, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I misread that.  <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  18:44, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The text is taken from MediaWiki:Createacct-benefit-body2 which has been customized to "articles" at the English Wikipedia. The message is used by many types of wikis and some of them don't have pages called articles, e.g. Commons, Wikibooks and Wikisource. The default text "pages" ("page" if there is only one) is more universal. Any Wikimedia wiki can choose the text at their local MediaWiki:Createacct-benefit-body2 which can be edited by local administrators. They can also choose translations at subpages like MediaWiki:Createacct-benefit-body2/de for users with "de - Deutch" (German) selected as language at Special:Preferences, but local MediaWiki messages are usually only customized for the default language of a wiki. commons:MediaWiki:Createacct-benefit-body2 says "files". I don't think the software has a way to say the default English term should be "articles" for Wikipedia editions but "pages" for other types of wikis. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:08, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! Done! and thank you for your support! ⇒  Aram  Talk  14:06, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the information. I will apply this on my home project. Thank you for pointing tis out. Unfortunately it isn;t easily fixed everywhere, but at least we have an answer and can have a go at our own local language versions. All the best, Taketa (talk) 14:21, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

How to delete a fair-use image?
Hi, I came across this fair-use image on the Bill Raisch page. However, I found a different, freely-licensed image of the subject at Wikimedia Commons. Now that there's no reason to use a fair-use image on this article, how do I nominate the image for deletion? (Wikimedia Commons has a handy tool; Wikipedia does not.) Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 12:52, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Just nominated it for Speedy Deletion, criteria F8: "File available as an identical or higher-resolution copy on Wikimedia Commons".--SirEdimon (talk) 12:58, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, but you deleted the freely-licensed image. The one to be deleted is File:Bill Raisch photo.jpg. Yoninah (talk) 13:04, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm really confused what's going on. I didn't understand why you created and deleted a new page at Wikipedia. The right image is still on the article. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 13:06, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I just nominated File:Bill Raisch photo.jpg for deletion and nothing else.--SirEdimon (talk) 13:11, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The freely-licensed image is still available on Commons. I didn't touch it. Actually, I cannot delete anything as I'm not an admin.--SirEdimon (talk) 13:12, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Great. Thanks for your help! Yoninah (talk) 13:20, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

marriage licences
I need a copy of a marriage for George Culver Stenberg and Bonnie from Osaka japan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.172.103.227 (talk) 17:46, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * This is the help desk for Wikipedia. You will need to contact the appropriate agency in Japan to get a copy.  RudolfRed (talk) 18:14, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

List of highest-certified music artists in the United States
cardi B should update from 26M to 28M on List of highest-certified music artists in the United States Top 50 certified music artists (digital singles)

https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/ updated 2 songs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.51.150.76 (talk) 18:34, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You're welcome to make the edit yourself if the source is reliable and properly cited. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  18:54, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Nazi flag on denmark
Could this be removed please

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.9.226.85 (talk) 19:51, 13 June 2019 (UTC)


 * You need to be more explicit. I can't see a swastika anywhere on the Denmark page either in the normal or in the mobile formats. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 20:03, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * File:Flag of Denmark.svg was vandalised, but was put right five minutes later. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:04, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation, I thought I was going nuts. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 22:25, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Publishing a translated page
✅ Hi everyone, I have translated from French to English a page about a Photographer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lalunanelcielo/Antonio_Martinelli

I had largely written the French version myself.

I would like to move the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lalunanelcielo/Antonio_Martinelli into the main English wikipedia domain (rather than under Use:Lalunanelcielo), however I cannot see the 'Move' option in my edit dashboard. It feels like my access to the functionality is limited.

Could you please help me on how to proceed?

Thank you very much in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lalunanelcielo (talk • contribs) 22:20, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi I've moved it to the mainspace: Antonio Martinelli.  What was the version number of the article you translated it from? (It still needs the translated from template on the talk page.)   Orville1974  (talk) 22:59, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi, thank you very much for moving it. The article I translated it from is https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Martinelli. I don't know where to find the version number, but it's the latest, current version of the article, as visible here: https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antonio_Martinelli&action=history - I did the translation yesterday and the original French article hasn't been updated by anyone since then. Does that answer your question? Please let me know if I need to do anything else. I am not familiar with talk pages so need a bit of handholding if you don't mind. Thank you in advance.


 * The version would be https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antonio_Martinelli&oldid=159804289 (June 3rd 2019).  <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  20:06, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Lupton family
I have  not  done  refs  numbers  100   and  101  (is  it  a  "book" ?)  correctly  on this  device. Please fix  them. Thanks 49.188.5.171 (talk) 23:50, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I see these two sources:


 * 100 - Middleton, T. "Annals of Hyde and District". Cartwright & Rattray, 1899 - Cheshire (England). p. 153. Retrieved 14 June 2019. ...Harriet Gertrude Ashton, married Arthur G. Lupton, of Leeds. Elizabeth Marion Ashton, married Rt. Hon. James Bryce, P.C., M.P., D.C.L...Katherine Ashton, married Charles Lupton, of Leeds.
 * 101 - The Parliamentary Debates - House of Commons. Oxford University 1909. 1909. Retrieved 14 June 2019.
 * Is that what you intended them to be?  Orville1974  (talk) 00:06, 14 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, but  I think the  101   citation  should  have the  publication year in the  correct  place  and  page  number  and  also  the  long  IBSM  number  -  I  cannot  do this.  Please  help.  Thanks 49.188.5.171 (talk) 00:11, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * All the publication confirms is that Bryce, Ashton, and Arnold Lupton (but not Charles Lupton) were MPs. Here's the page: Estimate of Principal Value.  Were you expecting more to be there?  It doesn't appear to support the article's contents at the place the citation's been inserted.  Orville1974  (talk) 00:32, 14 June 2019 (UTC)


 * The other  citations in  this  section  make  it  clear  that  Charles  Lupton, Lord  Mayor  of  Leeds  -  related  to  the  other  3  men  -  was  also  very  involved  with   politics.  The  new ref.  that   you  have  cleverly   acquired  -  Estimate of Principal Value    should  be  used  some how   -   Am  I  wrong  to  think  that?  Please  incorporate the  ref  I  have  just  pasted  (the  estimates  one)  -  I  cannot  do   it  on  this  device.  Thanks  so  much  again  49.188.5.171 (talk) 00:54, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * My concern is that it's placement makes it appear as if it is a source for: "In 1888 he married Katharine Ashton and was thus the brother-in-law of both Thomas Ashton, 1st Baron Ashton of Hydeand James Bryce, 1st Viscount Bryce with both men sharing their interest in politics with Charles and his cousin Arnold Lupton MP", but it's not. It's just the register of a rather routine vote in Parliament that doesn't seem to meet any need as a reference for the article, and it's present inclusion as an inline citation for something completely unrelated is misleading.
 * If you want to include it without misleading the reader, you'd need to pull content from it to add to the article (in May of 1909 Lupton, Bryce and Ashton voted in Parliament supporting a resolution that "no reduction shall be made in the estimate of the principal value of any property under sub-section (5) of section seven of the Finance Act, 1894, on account of the estimate being made on the assumption that the whole of the property is to be placed on the market at one and the same time") WP:NOTEVERYTHING. I would like to help, but I'm not going to make that edit.  Orville1974  (talk) 01:15, 14 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Understood. Thanks  again 49.188.5.171 (talk) 01:19, 14 June 2019 (UTC)