Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2019 June 28

= June 28 =

Infobox error
✅ The infobox for Thérèse Cadorette has this error: "Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character". I think that the accents on the e's is likely what is causing the issue. However, the name should keep the original spelling in the infobox. Is there anything I can do to get it to work? Clovermoss (talk) 00:18, 28 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello, Template:Birth date needs full dates with year, month and day, and apparently displays this (pretty confusing) error message when required parameters are missing. See the template documentation for more details. I have changed the template version to Template:birth year in the article to avoid this problem. GermanJoe (talk) 00:34, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay! Thanks for helping. Yeah, it is kind of confusing to have an error message about something completely different. I do have a follow-up question: this is the first time where I just don't know the date of birth. Not yet, at least. I'm trying to do more research for a date, but so far the most I have is a year, even though I know the exact date of death. If I don't end up finding the exact birth of date in the near-forseeable future, is there anything I can do? Clovermoss (talk) 00:49, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I assumed you meant the template (for the error) and not the article. I see that you fixed it on the article, so that answers my question. Clovermoss (talk) 00:53, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Yet another paragraph that I think needs splitting
✅ This is from the article on Fear Effect. Since I may play this game sometime and don't want it spoiled for me, could somebody else please split it?

"Hana arrives in Hong Kong accompanied by her partners, Royce Glas and Jacob 'Deke' DeCourt. What begins as a simple snatch and grab turns into a fiasco: The father of the runaway, Mr. Lam, attributes his fortune and power to a pact he made with demons long ago. Wee Ming, who is a paper doll given life, has been scheduled to serve as a sacrifice to Yim Lau Wong, the mythical "King of Hell". Hana's contact inside Mr. Lam's organization, Jin, is discovered, tortured, and left to die with a bomb strapped to his chest. Hana frees him, but he is killed anyway shortly after. Meanwhile, Glas is attacked by a VTOL jet and forced to flee into Mr. Lam's building. After avenging Jin, Hana is captured and beaten by Mr. Lam and his thugs. Glas is able to rescue Hana, and the duo make their escape where they meet Deke in front of the hotel they are staying at. While listening to Jin's last message for Hana, the trio are forced off a bridge but are able to swim to a junk. While sailing down a river, Deke spots Wee Ming amongst a burning village. Deke and Glas give chase while Hana gets dressed, but all three are soon separated by the undead villagers. They soon stumble upon a military train where the hostile soldiers shoot anyone on sight for fear of the villagers. Hana and Deke wreck the train trying to steal it, but Glas is able to find a jeep with Wee Ming sitting inside. She asks to be taken to a Madam Chen's restaurant, which also doubles as a brothel, hoping to find answers about her existence. When Glas is caught sneaking in the brothel, Mr. Lam surprises him, cutting off his left arm. At the same time, Deke is murdered while trying to infiltrate the brothel from upstairs. Hana sneaks in by dressing up like one of the prostitutes, where she runs into Wee Ming again after she had been dragged off by Madam Chen, who is working for Mr. Lam. It is then that Wee Ming's powers activate, after being splashed with Deke's blood, transforming the working girls and Madam Chen's thugs into demons."

From my brief scans of the paragraph, I think the sentence starting with "[t]hey soon" would be a good place to split it.--75.110.35.108 (talk) 03:00, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Please see above this question. Just do it! (And thanks for your help.) If you are not reasonably sure that it's a good idea, please discuss it with others on the article's talk page, but its often simpler to just make the change. -Arch dude (talk) 04:15, 28 June 2019 (UTC) Archived.—  Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  20:21, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Again, I don't feel comfortable editing things that don't relate to grammar, spelling, or punctuation without asking first. Also, it tends to take longer to get a response on talk pages.--Thylacine24 (talk) 20:54, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, the talk page doesn't have any postings since 2007. I don't think posting there is going to result in any new responses within the next week. Is it just a formality in this case?--Thylacine24 (talk) 20:56, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Just edited this to include a link and italics for Fear Effect. Sorry that I didn't do this when I first posted it.--Thylacine24 (talk) 21:05, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Location of towns and cities on maps
✅ I've never understood the formatting of maps on Wikipedia articles, specifically in relation to the location of towns and cities. For example, the infobox for Grasse has two options: a map of the whole of France, and a map of Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur. Select one of them, and the location of the town is shown with a red dot. But when I click on the map to enlarge it, I'm presented with a larger version of the map, but one from which the red dot has disappeared. I understand that this is because the red dot in the infobox is not really on the map, it's somehow being overlaid on top of it. But what I want to be able to do is to view the map at standard size but with the red dot on it to indicate the location of the town. How can I do this? --Viennese Waltz 09:45, 28 June 2019 (UTC)


 * It's a location map, see template:location map, although I can't see how it's invoked in the infobox. You can, however, click on "show" where it says "location of Grasse" beneath the Coat of Arms, which shows a more detailed location on Wikimedia maps, which you can then show as full screen if you like. Mikenorton (talk) 11:44, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Rename an image?
I uploaded a PNG file to replace a GIF, and planned on using the same details form the GIF article to poulate the PNG one - the details are exactly the same apart from the filetype.

In my haste, I made an error with the filename - but I can't see where to change it?

File:Temporary description prior to upload - video game screenshot.png

Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:10, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Additional - I could just re-upload and let the badly named file get deleted, but I'm curious about where to rename files is. Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:16, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Files are treated as any other page, so renaming files works by moving the file to a new name using the "move" link. Here's a direct link for the file in question. Regards So  Why  11:18, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I think this falls under WP:FNC#1 - "Uploader requested". I tried the direct link, but get an error saying I don't have permission to move files.  For reference, the filename should be "Cyberun_1.png", which brings it into line with the GIF it's replacing.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:41, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you need to have been granted the right to do this by an administrator, see File mover. Or I guess an admin could do it themselves. --Viennese Waltz 13:17, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I've requested an admin help out a poor incompetent... Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:18, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Strange phrase appearing in page preview but not in article
✅ Here is the problem:

When in article County Cork or County Limerick (two Irish counties), when I have the mouse over the link "County town" in the right panel, I can read:

"A los Angeles like town where the kardashians live in Great Britain or Ireland is usually, but not always, the location of administrative or judicial functions within the county."

Instead of:

"A county town in Great Britain or Ireland is usually, but not always, the location of administrative or judicial functions within the county."

Apparently the problem occurs whenever there is a link to County town, including in this question. I have no clue about what may be causing this.

7zz (talk) 12:02, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * If you look at the page history for the County town article, you will see that it was vandalism which was reverted on 11 June. It's very odd that the vandalized version has remained as the active version in the page-preview cache since then. This is a known issue, see here. I've tried purging the article as suggested on that mediawiki page but the vandalized version still appears in the page preview. --Viennese Waltz 12:17, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. Seems to be a bug somewhere. At least now I know what's wrong. Thank you! 7zz (talk) 12:25, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

To Orville 1974
✅ Sir, Eman 235 has done an excellent job and found out the actual archive which would replace footnotes #11 & #2 with a single one. To see that please visit to Dr. Shamsheer's talk page. Thanks. (223.230.162.149 (talk) 13:02, 28 June 2019 (UTC))
 * Courtesy link and ping Talk:Shamsheer Vayalil. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  13:52, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Timtempleton.  Orville1974 talk 14:47, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref too many keys

 * Relates to Cyclone Fani. Eagleash (talk) 14:04, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

eFront page, different company, same name
Hello,

Help is needed. The wiki page eFront is about other ( affiliate marketing network ) eFront company, I would like to have eFront wiki page that's about eFront software company.

Since the name eFront, as well as domain efront.com, belongs to IT eFront company, can I just edit the existing wiki page with the right content?

Many thanks.

DStane  added at 14:04, 28 June 2019‎ by 


 * If you're wondering about changing an article that's about one subject so that it's about a different subject that happens to share the same name, then no you can't. &para; Moreover, your editing history here suggests an exclusive interest in the company, which in turn suggests that you may be connected to the company. If you are, you shouldn't write about it. What you can do is go to Requested articles, choose the most suitable category, and request an article about it. Be sure to supply links to disinterested, reliable material about the subject. -- Hoary (talk) 14:20, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * When we have two or more articles about a subject with the same name, we use disambiguation. In this case, we could change the name of the existing article to "EFront (marketing network)" and create a new article named "EFront (software company)", and then create a disambiguation page named "EFront" that points to the other two. However, regardless of the name, an article must be about a subject that is notable by our definition: see WP:NCORP. This is the only fundamental requirement for an article. Any other problem can be fixed, but not lack of notability. If other editors do not agree that a subject is notable, the article will be deleted. We delete about 200 articles a day, mostly due to lack of notability. -Arch dude (talk) 14:48, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * We also already have an article about eFront (eLearning software). Is that the one you mean? -Arch dude (talk) 16:23, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for the answers! that article ( eFront eLearning software )is about different company, eFront is provider of software solution for financial institutions. So, is it possible then to have one named eFront (marketing network) and the other one eFront - alternative investment solutions? If it is, the next step is request/creating an article? Thanks!

*fD Discussions (Follow-up)
✅ This is a follow-up question to the question I asked titled "*fD Discussions". There I figured out anyone can participate in RfD discussions. My new question is... Are normal extended confirmed users like me allow to nominate redirects for discussion? James-the-Charizard (talk) 15:02, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes. Guidance on the process is here: WP:Redirects for discussion. Happy editing!  Orville1974 talk 15:16, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Just trying to reach out further on my contributions on here lol. James-the-Charizard (talk) 15:18, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Yet another paragraph that I think needs splitting
✅ This one is from the page on Yu the Great:

"The dates which have been proposed for Yu's reign predate the oldest-known written records in China, the oracle bones of the late Shang dynasty, by nearly a millennium. Yu's name was not inscribed on any artifacts which were produced during the proposed era in which he lived, nor was it inscribed on the later oracle bones; his name was first inscribed on vessels which date back to the Western Zhou period (c. 1045–771 BC). The lack of anything which is remotely close to contemporary documentary evidence has caused some controversy over the historicity of Yu. Proponents of the historicity of Yu theorise that stories about his life and reign were orally transmitted in various areas of China until they were eventually recorded during the Zhou dynasty, while opponents of it believe that the figure existed in legend in a different form—as a god or a mythical animal—during the Xia dynasty, and morphed into a human figure by the start of the Zhou dynasty. Many of the stories about Yu were collected in Sima Qian's famous Records of the Grand Historian. Yu and other "sage-kings" of Ancient China were lauded for their virtues and morals by Confucius and other Chinese teachers."

I think the sentence starting with "[t]he lack" would be best. Could anyone please tell me if this is a good idea, since this would make the first half into a two-sentence paragraph, which may be too few sentences for a paragraph? Also, I understand that this is the sort of thing that generally doesn't require asking on the help desk, but, as I've previously stated here, I don't feel comfortable splitting paragraphs without the approval of others.--Thylacine24 (talk) 21:02, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Agree with your split. Given the length of those two sentences, the paragraph is not too short at all. Keep in mind WP:BRD. Further, it is the height of politeness to make the edit and also add a note about what you have done to the article's Talk page.--Quisqualis (talk) 00:37, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I prefer to ask here first, though, since the talk pages of articles tend to take a while when it comes to getting a response.--Thylacine24 (talk) 13:55, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

my article was deleted
✅ I am Haystacks Calhoun Jr. I had 3 different articles referencing my existance as a wrestler and do not understand why my page was deleted? please help me — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haystacks36 (talk • contribs) 21:46, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * It was not "your" article. It was our article about you. It was deleted with the following note:
 * A page with this title has previously been moved or deleted. If you are creating a new page with different content, please continue. If you are recreating a page similar to the previously deleted page, or are unsure, please first contact the user(s) who performed the action(s) listed below.
 * 12:08, 6 January 2019 user:Explicit deleted page Haystacks Calhoun Jr. (Expired WP:PROD, concern was: I have not found any significant coverage by any reliable sources to prove notability for the subject)
 * This means that there was no indication that the subject was notable by our definition. The deletion was uncontroversial: see WP:PROD. Please see WP:N and WP:ATH to see how we define notability. Please come back here, with references to reliable sources WP:RS) if you think the subject meets our criteria and we should re-instate the article. About 200 articles per day are deleted due to lack of notability. -Arch dude (talk) 22:40, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Belinda Sue Gentry a Christian entrepreneur
✅ Belinda is a 49 year old lady ,born in Knoxville Tennessee, raised in Hammond Indiana, resides in Baltimore md, she's been a Christian since 5, though struggled in life having fetal alcohol ,she feels God is leading her to be a voice to the voiceless through special needs actress, writer, speaker. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Belle7516 (talk • contribs) 22:04, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * It sounds like you are requesting an article. Notability is important, as is style and format.  Please see Your first article. If you think the subject is notable enough, and don't feel comfortable trying to write it yourself, then please visit Articles for creation. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  22:28, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Also note that the article's subject, Belinda Sue Gentry, has not been covered by reliable, published sources, as far as Google reveals.--Quisqualis (talk) 00:43, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that you have personal knowledge of Belinda, but personal knowledge is not a reference, nor can experienced editors help you without Belinda's surname, and better, some published information about her. Best wishes!--Dthomsen8 (talk) 02:24, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

✅ I'm trying to create a film article titled #Roxy but I'm being prevented from creating an article under that title. For the time being, I created a draft of the film article under the title Draft:Roxy (film). Therefore, my question is: how do I create the article with that title? Hitcher vs. Candyman (talk) 22:15, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You can't create an article with a special character in the title, due to technical restrictions. The way you have it in the lede now is right. See WP:TSC. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  22:25, 28 June 2019 (UTC)