Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2019 March 16

= March 16 =

Citation in See Also
- the See Also section of the Knights Hospitaller article has a link to "Caterina Vitale, the first female pharmacist of the Knights Hospitaller, and the first female pharmacist and chemist in Malta" with a citation to I have never seen a citation in a See Also section before, but MOS:SEEALSO and MOS:NAVLIST don't say there shouldn't be citations. There is a citation to the Malta Independent piece in the article on Caterina Vitale, so it seems unnecessary in Knights Hospitaller. Should the citation in the See Also section be deleted? Is the Malta Independent a reliable source? - cheers - Epinoia (talk) 00:02, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Our page on it needs a lot of work but a national newspaper published daily is a WP:RS. Legacypac (talk) 05:42, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I've deleted it. It belongs in Vitale's article only. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:23, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

- thanks - Epinoia (talk) 00:08, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

If I navigated away from 3 hours worth of edits without saving is there any way to recover it?
I was trying to get a table format right, so I went to source editing, and i couldnt find the button to switch it back to visual editing. So i hit the back button.

3 hours of work are gone... is there any way to get it back — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tscalligas (talk • contribs) 04:32, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Doubt it. Sorry. Your edit count stays pretty low if you don't save more often than every 3 hours. Legacypac (talk)


 * If you haven't closed the window yet, the forward button should get it back. Otherwise, you're out of luck. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:26, 16 March 2019 (UTC)


 * I feel your pain, I have experienced a number of catastrophic failures while editing. What I usually do is to copy and paste the section (or entire article) I am working on into a plain .txt file on my own computer, and save that every so often in case of disaster. If using Windows, use Notepad. Don't use any sort of word processor, which will include unwanted formatting information when you paste it back into the WP edit window. You should save the .txt file as Unicode if your edits include non-standard characters. >MinorProphet (talk) 16:05, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Using file content expressly for corresponding article
Checked around 1978 Constitution of the People's Republic of China with a  of the same name as its infobox "image". I wonder if such files' contents may be expressly used for said article, especially since this specific page lacks enough content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Varxo (talk • contribs) 07:01, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Royal College of Surgeons of England
Please fix up  ref  number  7  - it  is  all  wrong. Sorry 175.33.125.158 (talk) 08:06, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, you introduced the error with this edit. If you could simply click on the help link, it would have told you that you have to match a firstn parameter with a lastn parameter; that is, either have both, or have none. I have deleted your reference addition's firstn parameter. As has been told to you many times before, if your edit creates a mistake, please read the help links to try and correct mistakes yourself. Thanks, Lourdes   08:55, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ You can use author in cases like this. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 08:56, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Design project
Recently, I conducted an outreach activity for students from a design school. During the workshop, we (participants and me) were surprised to find that there is no WikiProject for Design, as WikiProject Design, in spite of having projects such as WikiProject Industrial Design and Graphic Design. I am just curious to know if there is any specific and strong reason for this, and is it just some did not establish that. KCVelaga (talk) 10:34, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

probably for copyright reasons i think Belovaci (talk) 14:16, 16 March 2019 (UTC)


 * There are probably several reasons. Wikipedia's coverage of the visual arts, as opposed to the performing arts, is fairly woeful. One obstacle is the free-content nature of Wikipedia, which demands that illustrations be freely available. This conflicts with artists' and designers copyrights in many cases, so illustrations are difficult. Additionally, Wikipedia's userbase and contributor base tend to skew away from design fields into technical areas and popular entertainment, and there is less interest, while designers tend not to be attracted to Wikipedia. As an architect myself, I've found this intensely frustrating. The short answer is that it never ended up being established.  Acroterion   (talk)   14:20, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * There is no project because nobody created it. There is no central authority. Each individual editor does wahtever the heck they want to, subject to guidelines and policies. You, personally, have just as much right and responsibility to start that project as anyone else.WikiProject. However, you are wasting your time unless you attract a community of interested users, so you might want to make sure that at least a few other users will participate. -Arch dude (talk) 15:55, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree that coverage is an issue, and it isn't just the issue with visual arts but also many other subject areas. That aside, my idea was more of a project that includes articles related to design such as biographies of notable designers, various design theories etc. just like any other WikiProject. I do have a bit a design background (actually in design thinking), I never actually worried about this. As I mentioned above, we found this very interesting during the event and was curious to hear thoughts from others. KCVelaga (talk) 17:55, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response. Yes, I do understand we actually need users actively working in that area, and only then it will make sense for creating a WikiProject. Also, in cases like this (design), thorough scoping needs to be done before going ahead. KCVelaga (talk) 17:55, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

personal information
How does one remove personal information from wikipedia, to who does one speak for this? and what are the guidlines? Belovaci (talk) 14:07, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

for example if i deleted a facebook account, every like, picture, edit whatever gets deleted with it, but as a wikipedia user, i can delete my account, but every edit that i made stays visable on this website, forever? how to really delete every trace of one's existance on this website? Belovaci (talk) 14:12, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

specialy now with the GDPR's right to be forgotten? Belovaci (talk) 14:13, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hey Belovaci. There is no functionality in the software Wikipedia uses that allows for deleting an account. You can request a courtesy vanishing, which essentially obscures the account beyond any meaningfulness, but that is the only thing analogous to deletion.  G M G  talk  14:15, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

ok thanks Belovaci (talk) 14:18, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Once you've edited in any way, all of your edits remain part of our permanent record, to maintain the evidence chain and for purposes of copyright. Thus, the record of edits by a particular account cannot be purged. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  14:58, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * We are not Facebook, etc. We are here to build an encyclopedia, not to be a repository of your personal information. Courtesy vanishing removes all visible traces between an old account name and its edits, but the edits themselves remain in Wikipedia. That's because you agreed to this each time you added the material: you licensed it to us (and everybody else) under the CC BY-SA. We internally keep a record of which account added material at what time, to defend us all against charges of copyright violation. Info you add other than on your own talk page should not be personal info about yourself in the first place. -Arch dude (talk) 15:45, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

I understand, but what if the edits themself are about a person, like for example if an edit states that person "X" did this, or something like that? does the "X" also gets removed? Belovaci (talk) 16:33, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * No. Edits about people might be removed if they are in contravention of the policies at BLP (especially if they are libellous), or are uncited and challenged as contentious, but not otherwise. If appropriate and verified edits could be removed again at the whim of their contributors, Wikipedia's content would become more unstable and volatile. Of course, if "X" is oneself, one shouldn't make such edits in the first place, but once in they stay or go according to the usual criteria. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.123.27.125 (talk) 20:58, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Syncing my lists
I looked at Teahouse but it looked too specific to article edits etc for my general use question. So here I am at Help desk.

I am an intermittent user, not knowledgeable enough to add/edit articles. LUser HervigS But enthralled by the breadth and depth of the content! and collecting articles on my particular interests.

I have Wikipaedia on my Samsung android tablet. There I have collected lists of articles. Great.

I also have W on my PC, Windows 10. This appears to be a differently formatted version, sometimes even with different content on the main page etc. I can here link to the mobile version, which appears very close in format and content to the tablet. It would reduce my confusion if I can have the two defaults the same.

However my main question relates to syncing my saved lists on the two devices. So I can edit/read/print on either device. I am now logged on to both. It does say on the tablet Android v. that I can sync saved files. (I noticed that this morning!) But I can't see any link to syncing old, or saving new, files on the PC.Windows v. Is it possible? How? Or am I doing something wrong?

what's the problem? Even my Googlephotos are synced across Android/Windows10.

Thanks HervigS (talk) 14:28, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * - this page is meant for questions about editing Wikipedia. Your question would appear to be better suited to ask at the reference desk. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  14:48, 16 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I can't find a reference for it right now, but I'm pretty sure that saved lists are a function of the Wikipedia App (on Android and probably iPhone) but are not implemented in the browser version. One way to save a personal list is to edit your user page (or create a user sub-page for the purpose) and put the wikilinks to the pages you want on it. --ColinFine (talk) 15:53, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * This page is for questions about how to use or edit Wikipedia. The question is about use and belongs here. mw:Wikimedia Apps/Synced Reading Lists says the lists can only be used in the app. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:10, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

need help with a dab
There's a disambiguation link on Hainanese Chicken Rice and after reading the source material and the dab page, I just don't know which Chin Dynasty to point to. I'm thinking some history person might be able to help resolve, but I don't know where to ask. --valereee (talk) 14:45, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * You could also just chicken out and delink it. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:45, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Romanian characters in English WP
Hi all. Why is the font for special characters so unwieldy? For example, Maramureș County. The Romanian article ro:Judeţul Maramureş appears to have no problem. . >MinorProphet (talk) 16:19, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't know how Romanian characters are supposed to look and you didn't quote any text but the two pages look similar to me in Firefox. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:39, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I’m not exactly sure what you mean by “unwieldy” font. The font for both pages is identical on my Safari browser. Granted I don’t speak Romanian, but the special characters look identical to my untrained eye. —  Tha† emo over †here (talk)  17:34, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your timely replies. Hmm. I'm on Fartfox too, but only v47, because later versions don't seems to like Windows XP. This may be something to do with the problem, not sure yet. Sorry for the essay, the whole thing has been quite interestingly complex to work out, define and describe the symptoms in a clear way. There may be some super-quick jargon way to describe it, (ike "Upgrade, fool"), but this is what happens:

Basically, only certain WPs, especially ro: and hr:, display the correct font or character set for characters like ț and ș to show correctly in my browser. When I go to ro:Judeţul Maramureş there is sometimes a 6 or 7-second delay with a progress bar: then I can actually see just the offending characters ț and ș being rendered correctly: they have different curvy cedillas in the same style as 'ç', which shows correctly in my Firefox. Conversely, switching to hr:Maramureş (županija) works instantly. Interestingly, (or not) hu:Máramaros megye doesn't use them at all.

However, on en: and also fr: it: and de: I seem to be getting a different setting that appears to insert the same rogue characters for ț and ș etc., whatever font is being displayed. On eg en:wp every single instance of ț and ș always and only display in a completely different sans-serif font, which is not Times, not Courier and not Sans: they have the same inverted dash looking like a mini comma underneath. They are very slightly taller than all the other characters.

At id:Provinsi Maramureş (Bahasa Indonesia), everything works except the infobox, which displays exactly the same rogue ț and ș characters I am experiencing. Check my browser isn't playing up: if I go to this Romanian website, there is no problem - everything renders properly.


 * ș 'ș' ș ș - Județul Maramureș : This is copied and pasted direct from the title on the ro: page, and displays correctly here for me: the copied and pasted ț and ș are visibly different from the en: page and in my edit window.


 * ș 'ș' ș ș - Maramureș County : This is copied and pasted direct from the title on the en: page, and looks like something of the following. If anything in the following stands out in your browsers, that's what it looks like for me on some wikis, but others are just fine.

Maramureș County This what it looks a bit like for me in Courier on en:, and certain other WPs.

In Times, to exaggerate: Maramureș County

And in Sans, it's a bit like this, but not so bold. Maramureș


 * Maramureș County
 * Maramureș County
 * Maramureș County

All of the above examples exhibit the same symptom. I get the same in my standby MX-5 browser. Sorry about the monster essay, it took a while. Thanks for your patience and help. >MinorProphet (talk) 01:09, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I learned a little about Romanian characters today. Romanian alphabet says the correct form is comma-below and not cedilla. Both the English and Romanian Wikipedia use comma-below. There are no cedillas in ro:Judeţul Maramureş (except in the link itself which redirects to ro:Județul Maramureș with comma-below). If you see cedillas in the article then you have probably enabled the first gadget at ro:Special:Preferences: "Diacritice vechi — transformă literele ș ț cu virgulă (corecte, dar neafișabile la unele calculatoare) în litere ș ț cu sedilă (incorecte), atât la afișarea paginilor cât și la editare." Google translation: "Old Diacritical - converts the comma-colored letters (correct but not displayable to some computers) into letters and saddles (incorrect), both when displaying pages and editing." It's disabled by default for logged in users and always for logged out users. It looks fine to me in Firefox 65.0.2 on Windows 10. sșș look identical apart from the diacritics, and so do tțț. The English Wikipedia does not have a gadget to convert comma-below to cedilla. You can maybe load the code of the Romanian gadget in all Wikimedia wikis where you are logged in if you save this in meta:Special:MyPage/global.js:


 * It may have side effects like making automatic conversions in edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:03, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Wow, the script worked! Now they all display as naughty wrong unapproved cedillas. I'm happy either way, consistency is great. Romanian is a amazing language although I barely know it. I read all about the spelling reform in 1904. Also installed the XP unicode fonts patch. Top marks, have a  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MinorProphet (talk • contribs)
 * As feared, the script made conversions in your edit.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&diff=888144623&oldid=888141126] Maybe you have to log out to see it properly. It changed cedillas to comma-below because the Romanian Wikipedia has decided to use comma-below. I am changing it back. The script displayed both forms as cedillas to you but not to others. We want cedillas in some situations and languages. You need a modified version of ro:MediaWiki:Diacritice.js which does not change the saved text when you edit. I can look at it if you want. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:55, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes please, if you felt like it, I can sort of envisage what might need to be done. If you have the time, could you perhaps explain either of the following? 1.) "Romanian Wikipedia has decided to use comma-below.'" So is it the case that some or all character sets have only one definition or space for diacritical t and s and don't distinguish between comma-below and cedilla, and it's up to someone to make the choice? Is this perhaps why Indonesian id:Provinsi Maramureş displays a mix? 2.) Could you also perhaps explain what is actually happening when they display as bold in the wrong font? Is there some similar sort of substitution going on like in ro:MediaWiki:Diacritice.js? Thanks for your time and interest. >MinorProphet (talk) 20:06, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Mark William Smith
Mark William Smith, aka Mark WR Smith, was born in Bay Shore, New York on September 8, 1959 to Robert F. Smith and Loretta Margaret Smith (Szeglin). Robert F. Smith was born in Pittsburgh, PA. on 10/4/1930 to Richard Smith and Norma Smith (King) and Loretta Szeglin was born to William F. & Loretta Szeglin on 06/21/1935. Richard Smith was born in 1900's to Harry M. Smith, Owner of The Liberty Lithograph Printing Company in the Downtown Section of Pittsburgh, PA.

Mark William Smith; AKA, Mark WR Smith is a graduate of Palm Beach State Collage with a Degree in Restaurant Hotel Management and upon graduation in 1981, Mark went on to a successful management career (leading to eventual part ownership position), in Regional Large Shopping Malls operating the Food Court Food Service Business with-in the Mall, Operating over 40 "Specialty Themed" Fast Food restaurants in 7 States.

Upon retiring from Mall Foods, Mark re-entered the Publishing and Printing business in New Jersey, New York City and the Islip/Brookhaven Townships on Long Island NY, acquiring major ownership positions in GMG Communications, Inc., Eastern Web Printing Company, Graph Com Enterprises INC., and The Pennysaver News of Brookhaven, Inc.,(a weekly community newspaper with 27 separate community newspaper editions with a circulation of over 500,000 in mailed weekly editions, that was founded by Robert F. Smith in 1958). Upon the sale and retirement from these business, Mark then entered the Insurance Business as Field Underwriter/Sales, and is currently serving as a Senior Accounts Producer for a local "Hometown" insurance agency located on the South Shore of Long Island in Islip Township, New York.

A Devout Christian and Believer of Jesus Christ as his Lord and Saviour, Mark is married to Sharon Ruth Smith (Scarborough) of Basom, NY, and they have 2 children, Heather Melissa Judge (Smith) and Robert F. Smith II

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.47.232 (talk) 16:51, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, do you have a question about how to edit Wikipedia? Eagleash (talk) 21:12, 16 March 2019(UTC)
 * Their only other edit here was vandalism in 2008.--Quisqualis (talk) 23:13, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Not very likely to be the same person... Eagleash (talk) 23:17, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Inter-wiki image help
I’m trying to write an article for the Japanese Wikipedia about the band Infant Annihilator and do not know how to get the image from the English version’s infobox to work in the Japanese infobox. The draft page is located here and you can see that the file name in the box is just giving the red link. Do I need to reupload the file into the Japanese wiki? Help:File description page seems to suggest that I need to reupload the image on the Japanese wiki, but I’m not sure how to properly do that either. Do I have to edit the English file’s description page to link to the Japanese one once uploaded?

Also, I’m not sure how to create a hyperlink to the file description page, as putting in  just brings up the image instead of a hyperlink.

Help and advice would be appreciated. Thank you! —  Tha† emo over †here (talk)  17:20, 16 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello, the image is a non-free copyrighted logo (I have fixed the image information in that regard). If you want to re-use it on Japanese Wiki, you should first verify, that the Japanese Wiki allows the usage of non-free logos. I believe it may be OK, but am really not sure on this point. If non-free logos are OK to use on Japanese Wiki, download the logo from en-Wiki and then upload it to Japanese Wiki (following the image procedures, that are hopefully described somewhere on the Japanese Wiki). Please note, that each Wikipedia has their own image usage rules and policies, so you'll have to check the Japanese Wiki for information about uploads to this Wiki. English Wiki-users can't help with most questions about other sister Wikis. GermanJoe (talk) 17:48, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for fixing that! User:PrimeHunter answered the rest of my questions. —  Tha† emo over †here (talk)  18:19, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Place a colon in front to link an image: File:Infant annihilator logo.jpg. It is not allowed to use the image in the Japanese Wikipedia. A wiki can only display images which are uploaded to Wikimedia Commons or the wiki itself. Commons does not allow non-free images. The English Wikipedia allows it in certain circumstances but Japanese Wikipedia says: 'The fair use provisions of US law are not considered to be applicable. Articles and media files which do not have a GFDL-compatible license are prohibited, even if they would be legal under the "fair use" doctrine in the US.' PrimeHunter (talk) 17:52, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the information! I wasn’t aware of the rules regarding images on the Commons or that images on the wiki aren’t transferable to other wikis. But I did read up on the Japanese image rules earlier today. Do you know if it’s possible to get a GFDL-compatible license for this image? —  Tha† emo over †here (talk)  18:19, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * None of the conditions at Logos are satisfied. You cannot use it in the Japanese Wikipedia unless the band has explicitly released the logo with a free license, and that's unlikely. Organizations are generally protective of their logos. Lots of Japanese articles are missing a logo. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:35, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I figured as much. Thanks for your help! —  Tha† emo over †here (talk)  02:18, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Template:Catholic Encyclopedia
Hi, I just made some copy-editing on that template, and now I'm at a loss: In Template:Catholic_Encyclopedia/doc, it said "Set to wstitle= if set, if not to title=, if not set then left blank." before, which I changed to "Set to wstitle= if set; if not, then to title=; if not set, then left blank." However, I now realize that actually both versions are apparently contradictory, since, in my understanding, "if not" means the same as "if not set". Can somebody help to resolve this issue? Thanks a lot in advance for any assistance.--Hildeoc (talk) 18:27, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Help with syntax
stave in is not displaying without the "wikt"; I have done it right in the past and cannot find the instructions on WP, even searching w/ Google.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:55, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Like this?
 * → stave in
 * or even like this?
 * → stave in (Pipe trick doesn't work inside  tags)
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 20:43, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Bravissimo! Thanks--Quisqualis (talk) 20:58, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Italics in article title
I want to move Montpellier follies to Montpellier folies, i.e. keep folies in French (italicised as a foreign word) because these country houses aren't follies in the English sense. Could someone please tell me how to use the italic template? I can't figure it out. Thanks! Awien (talk) 20:10, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * See Template:Italic title. You can write . PrimeHunter (talk) 21:51, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, PrimeHunter, but ... where and how do I write that template? Whatever I try gets rejected. Feeling dumb, Awien (talk) 13:24, 17 March 2019 (UTC)


 * I added the following template in the very first line of the article's edit box:  .  Now, the article title appears as "Montpellier follies", with the first word in regular font and the second word in italics.  Is this what you wanted?     Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 14:15, 17 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Place the code anywhere on a page with "folies" in the title (it's usally placed at the top). If you want to test it on the current title Montpellier follies with "ff" then change it to . PrimeHunter (talk) 14:16, 17 March 2019 (UTC)


 * By the way, you are not actually wanting to move the article (as your original question suggests). You are simply wanting to format the title, without any "moving" whatsoever.  Those are two different things, "moving" and "formatting" an article and its title.   Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 14:17, 17 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Awien also wants to change follies to folies. This requires a page move. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:20, 17 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's correct. I had missed that word change.  Sorry. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 14:46, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, PH. You're right. Thanks for trying, JAS. If someone can cause the title to be Montpellier folies, that would be great; I give up. Awien (talk) 14:33, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks all! Awien (talk) 15:04, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I see you moved it to Montpellier folies. I posted code for italics in the first reply. Don't you know how to copy code? Don't copy the "nowiki" and "code" tags in the edit window but only the rendered code when you view the section. Another editor has made it  in the article. This also works. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:43, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, PrimeHunter. The depths of my non-techiness and incomprehension of jargon are hard for the likes of you to plumb. My French is bloody good though! Grand merci, Awien (talk) 16:17, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually I do know how to copy code, and placing it on the page as you explained would presumably have worked, except that at that point it conflicted with Spadaro's italicisation of "follies". Cheers, Awien (talk) 07:12, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

providing a translation of an article
Dear Wikipedia, an article I just read (Elsa Gindler) requests a translation of the German-language article, which I would like to provide (I translate professionally). How/where should I type in the translation? Thank you, Lovelincklo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lovelincklo (talk • contribs) 20:31, 16 March 2019 (UTC)


 * You'll find advice at WP:Translation. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:42, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

I need help to place a draft for review.
I would like to put my draft for Come Together: A Fashion Picture in Motion in review, but I need some assistance to do so. Thanks. - Stinkyjaden (talk) 20:52, 16 March 2019 (UTC)Stinkyjaden
 * Add {{subst:submit}} to the top. &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 20:57, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Lot Whitcomb
Hello...I work at River View Cemetery in Portland, OR. I recently had an email about Lot Whitcomb being buried here. Mr Whitcomb is placed at Wilhelm's Portland Memorial Mausoleum. His burial information needs to be changed. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.76.124.169 (talk) 21:46, 16 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello, IP user. The burial information in the article Lot Whitcomb appears to be sourced to a published book (though I can't consult the book to check). In order to change the information, we would need a reliable published source for the new information: do you have one? --ColinFine (talk) 00:36, 17 March 2019 (UTC)