Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2019 March 27

= March 27 =

French and/or Swedish
Anyone who knows French and/or Swedish could translate these titles of articles: "Les "charts runs" de chaque album classé", "Les albums (CD) les plus vendus en 2008" and "Basshunter fann en bot mot mobbarna"? Eurohunter (talk) 00:19, 27 March 2019 (UTC)


 * The last one is "Basshunter found a cure against the bullies". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:13, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * And the first two are "Chart runs of every ranked album" and "Best-sold CD albums in 2008". (Not sure what a "chart run" is.) Tigraan Click here to contact me 08:53, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I don't know French but the second one shouldn't be "Best-selling CD albums in 2008"? Eurohunter (talk) 09:48, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't know English, apparently. The literal translation of "les plus vendus" is "the most sold", for which the correct translation is indeed "the best-selling". Tigraan Click here to contact me 11:16, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * "des albums musicaux les plus vendus" → "best-selling albums" (literally "best (or top?) selling musical albums"?). Eurohunter (talk) 09:48, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * "les albums (CD) les plus vendus en 2008" → "best-selling CD albums in 2008"? Eurohunter (talk) 09:48, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * "des jeux vidéo les plus vendus → "best-selling video games" Eurohunter (talk) 09:50, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Which "Article for deletion" template?
I add a template to this page recommending deletion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susman_Godfrey However, it seems that I may have used the wrong template because it did not generate a template similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Preston_(journalist) with the link to the deletion process. If someone could tell me which is the best one to use I will make the change. AugusteBlanqui (talk) 08:00, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * What you have done is proposing the deletion. The difference between that (PROD) and nominating an article for deletion (AfD) is that PROD doesn't require discussion, it simply requires no-one to object to the proposed deletion in 7 days. MrClog (talk) 08:09, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the quick reply! I definitely made a mistake then (my first ever proposed deletion).  I certainly would prefer that it is AfD!  I will try to make the change. AugusteBlanqui (talk) 09:08, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I have completed the last missing step.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Susman_Godfrey&diff=889694480&oldid=889689640] Twinkle makes it possible to nominate a page for deletion with a few clicks. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:18, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Style question: acronym expansion within a quotation
What is our style guideline on acronym expansion when an acronym is used for the first time in an article, but it's within a quotation?

I'm editing this article section, which contains a quote that includes the acronym "CRM", meaning in this case Crew Resource Management. This is the only time "CRM" is mentioned in the article. Manual of Style/Abbreviations is silent on whether and how to expand an in-quote acronym, but says we should "always" use the abbreviation style or acronym style that was used in the quote. I think we need to include the whole version right there in the quote for understandability, the same way we include both the acronym and its expansion the first time an acronym is used in normal (non-quotation) article text; but it can't be right to put those words in the speaker's mouth.

I would think we should write the whole version in brackets after the acronym, the same way we would add to a quotation a word that was not in the original quote but which needs to be added to make the sentence clear or grammatically correct. I also think the link should be on the whole-version text, rather than on the acronym itself. So it would look like:


 * ...resulting in a loss of control and their failure to abide by CRM [ Crew Resource Management ] principles of mutual support...

Is this correct, and is this listed in the Manual of Style anywhere? If not I'm happy to add it. On Sober Reflection (talk) 10:26, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I think what you're saying makes a lot of sense and I would go for it if the MoS doesn't take a position on this issue, so long as you preserve the original usage in the quote by using brackets as you explained. If you want to modify the relevant MoS section or find more opinions on the matter just start a discussion on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Abbreviations.


 * (By the way, your username is superb and your mission is even better.) – Teratix ₵ 10:39, 27 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Much appreciated, especially the encouragement.  On Sober Reflection (talk) 10:55, 27 March 2019 (UTC)


 * I added a proposal to the main MoS talk page, here. Thanks!   On Sober Reflection (talk) 12:22, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

how can I delete my account please?
how can I delete my account please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Makingmart (talk • contribs) 12:03, 27 March 2019 (UTC)


 * You can't delete the account (see WP:Username policy), but as your question here is your only contribution you can simply ignore it. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:37, 27 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Hotel Wikipedia. You can check out sign off any time you like, but you can never leave. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:14, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Ilkka Mikael Uimonen or Ilkka Uimonen page information is not accurate or correct. Is a misrepresentation of my career
how to change information on Ilkka Uimonen page to Ilkka Mikael Uimonen with updated information regarding who I am in my profession?

Please do help.

Many best, Ilkka Mikael Uimonen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kuorinka (talk • contribs) 17:03, 27 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Kuorinka Of course we want Wikipedia articles to be correct and up-to-date, but because of our conflict of interest policy we don't encourage you to edit the article extensively yourself. It seems nothing has happened since you first came to this Help desk on March 12. Lopifalko so far hasn't edited the article about you, but neither have you posted any new information – backed by reliable sources – on the article's talk page, so this may be the way to go Bhunacat10 (talk),  17:47, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I said at the time that if you explained what was wrong on the article's talk page then I would help, but you did not. For a start, Wikipedia uses the name that the majority of sources refer to the subject as. All of the sources in Ilkka Uimonen refer to Uimonen as "Ilkka Uimonen". Please take this discussion to the talk page. --Lopifalko (talk) 18:46, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

How to start new articles
I would like to know how to start new articles — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.108.250.157 (talk) 19:10, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Well as an unregistered user, you cannot create article pages yourself. But feel free to write a draft article here and submit it for inclusion: WP:AFC. funplussmart (talk) 19:12, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * But I recommend starting by reading the essay your first article. Writing an article which gets accepted is hard. --ColinFine (talk) 23:48, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * People whose initial edits are an attempt to create a brand-new article fail most of the time. My conservative estimate is that this occurs over 99% of the time. Some succeed, but you are fighting the odds. If you look at the initial edits of established editors I am confident you will find that most started with relatively minor improvements to existing articles, and after they gained more experience than worked on brand-new articles.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  00:20, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 * To put it differently, if you decided to take up running would you start with a marathon?-- S Philbrick (Talk)  00:21, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Related changes

 * First posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council

How I can extend related changes page to include changes in all categories from the main category? Currently it shows only edits from the main category. Eurohunter (talk) 20:37, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Not return to same place
In a Wikipedia article when I click on a link, my browser takes me to that link. Then when I click on the back button on my browser, it goes back to the article I was reading. But it does not go back to the same place, where I clicked on the link. In a long article, it usually goes back the beginning of the article, or the beginning of a section. So when I go back to Wikipedia, I can't easily find the place where I started. Is there any way to change this behavior? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.186.36.166 (talk) 23:35, 27 March 2019 (UTC)


 * The way the "back" button works is controlled by the developers who wrote your browser. You may be able to get help on this on our reference desk/computing, or on some forum for your browser. -Arch dude (talk) 23:45, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I have exactly this problem when I use Internet Explorer. IE has other problems too, so I always try to avoid it and instead use another browser, when one is available: in the last eight days, I have used Opera, Firefox and Chrome, and all of these remember where I was on the page, and take me back to that exact point.