Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2019 March 30

= March 30 =

Repeated problems with "Nemenhah" article
Hello, First, allow me to get some things out of the way. I am a member of the high clergy of the Nemenhah organization and so have a vested personal and religious interest in the accuracy of statements and representations made about my order. While I am not compensated for monitoring this article, I have been mandated to do so by my fellow ministers. That being said, objectivity and critical scrutiny of facts and representations of any and all kinds, including those associated with our organization, is strongly encouraged within and without Nemenhah.

Put simply, the main article for the Nemenhah ITO has been continuously reverted to an outdated version repeating inaccurate information. Repeated attempts to correct this information has been met with outright reversion or significant bias against the organization itself. Constructive criticism and/or discussion regarding the subject material has been non-existent.

Points of fact, not fiction:


 * Nemenhah ITO was NEVER based in Weaubleau, MO.
 * The use of the word "Band" was stricken from the organization's title long ago and has not been referred to by that title for the past ten years.
 * Nemenhah ITO became a member-state of a new country called the Federation of Royal Maya last year, which was granted its sovereignty by the Government of Cuba in 1997.

If fact cannot be published on this particular article, I feel I must insist it be deleted from Wikipedia entirely. If specific edits may be suggested and/or contributed to clean up and objectify the article, that would be preferred as I am personally fond of Wikipedia and its (normally) high standards, which have not manifested in the moderation of this article. We have no interest in promoting our organization via Wikipedia; we simply desire to read a basic, informative article based in objective fact, not fiction or bias.

I must request some remediation and direction regarding this matter.

--Jmckael (talk) 01:42, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Please engage with the editor who reverted your changes and reach a consensus. I see no evidence that you have done so on the article's talk page. Please assume good faith WP:AGF: sometimes an editor will act quickly and make only terse edit comments that appear to you to be rude or biased but that are not meant that way. If you cannot reach consensus, then proceed as outlined in WP:DISPUTE. -Arch dude (talk) 02:34, 30 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Arch dude, the slightest delving beneath the surface of this pathetic "article" reveals that WP is hosting a flattering account of a white-collar criminal enterprise. Every reliable source has only unflattering things to say about these "natives", who are an assortment of non-native American scammers. I feel deeply embarrassed that WP is supporting their perception as legitimate. Look at the RS and article history. If we eliminate the editing of the article by active criminals and doublespeak masters, it would be a fascinating article about crime. An earlier version of the article began:

"The Nemenhah Indigenous Traditional Organization (Nemenhah People, Nemenhah ITO) is a group of whites, many with fraud convictions, falsely claiming to be Native medicine people. They describe themselves as a convocation of Medicine Men/Women and Ministers of the Native American Church of Nemenhah (NACNEM), formerly "Numi'Pu TsuPehli Chophunsh", and "Nemenhah Band and Native American Traditional Organization", consecutively, which is the established ecclesiastical institution of the Nemenhah ITO." --Quisqualis (talk) 00:21, 1 April 2019 (UTC) This is the Wikipedia help desk. Do you have a question about sing or editing Wikipedia? This is not the place to comment on that article's contents. Please take it to the article's talk page. You can also simply edit the article, and if you cannot reach a consensus, follow the dispute resolution process: WP:DISPUTE -Arch dude (talk) 03:17, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Root analog dental implant
You just asked to donate. Wikipedia is not independant, because you removed this article Root analog dental implant in German and English pages. RAI (Bioimplant) has been invented by an independant oral surgeon in Vienna, it works since more than 10 years and has been blocked by industry since then. It could be a benefit for many people, and Wikipedia could be a help for people in this case. Your volunteers are already not independant, because there are clinical studies about this topic and they ignore them all. I have worked for years with this surgeon for years and it worked great. So I can proof that myself and since you have removed the articles, I am not convinced about Wikipedia to be independant. So I will not donate and I do hope there will be more public rooms in the web to support independant research. Best regards Dr med univ et med dent Andrea Pinter  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.225.13.169 (talk) 04:03, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not promote emerging tech or ideas, as we believe ideas should be able to stand on it's own. We also require reliable sources, witch the lack of was likely why the edits were removed. Good luck with the product. WelpThatWorked (talk) 04:18, 30 March 2019 (UTC)


 * The way to discuss a deletion that you disagree with is at Deletion review. If you feel that the deletion was unwarranted, please go there. More than 100,000 independent volunteer editors work on Wikipedia in any given 30-day period. None of us are paid, and none of us care if you donate or not: it has no effect on our collective editorial consensus. Please note that the German Wikipedia is editorially independent of the English Wikipedia, so you will need to follow their procedures to discuss the deletion of the Germain article. -Arch dude (talk) 04:21, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Andrea, tell Wolfgang that meatpuppetry offends wikiediters too. -Roxy, the dog . wooF 09:06, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The article was actually called Root analogue dental implant. It is still in the page history [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Root_analogue_dental_implant&action=history] so it was not deleted in the Wikipedia sense of the word but merged to Dental implant after discussion at Talk:Dental implant. The merged content was later removed from Dental implant. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:58, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Page Deletion - I feel administrator did not understand topic and unnecessary deletion. Curious about methods of recourse?
Hello, I'm posted a number of articles/edits, mostly in the medical field but I wrote my first full wiki about a band. I believe the band meets the criteria based on wikipedia guidelines, yet the deleting administrator does not seem to agree. I tried my best to discuss with him, but it seems as though the decision was made and even with new information there are no changes or re-evaluation.

I am not sure what my recourse is as I feel this is either an error or inappropriate deletion. I've read the deletion help pages, but its difficult to figure out how I can get an opinion on this.

The page is "Paragon Cause" - The band was recently featured on both National CBC Radio (Show: In the key of C, plus national play) - The band was featured on CBC online as one of the top new songs of the week from a city outside the bands home city - The band is responsible for soundtrack and theme music for the show The Nighttime Podcast which is syndicated internationally on corus radio. - this POdcast, featuring the music of Paragon Cause has over 5 Million Downloads on itunes! - this POdcast, featuring the bands soundtrack work has reached as high as #27 on North American (including the USA) itunes charts - The bands music has been featured on CKNW, CHQR, CHED, CFPL, CHML, and 640 Toronto in addition to these stations - I can post dozens of links to the episodes, but here is a recent one with The band (Paragon Cause) doing soundtrack. The night time podcast and radio show have featured 8 of the bands songs on their show in addition to the theme music. - The band has just recorded an album with Academy Award Nominee and international music star Sune Rose Wagner of the Raveonettes you can see the mention on his instagram page also another link where he is mixing our album

I am not sure where else to turn, but I am trying to provide as much evidence as possible to get this page posted.

If anyone has advice as to where to turn, I would very much appreciate it. Jbonapar (talk) 14:51, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Please follow the process described at Deletion review. Come back here if you cannot understand the process, but please do not argue the facts of the case here: is not what the help desk is for. -Arch dude (talk) 14:59, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I would note that you did not write a "wiki", you wrote an article. A wiki is a type of website. 331dot (talk) 15:20, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Interlanguage links - Not possible to add new language
Hello, "Types of companies" redirects to "List of legal entity types by country" (Wikidata Q53400657). This article is available just in English language. There is other Wikidata item, "type of business entity" (Q1269299) whose corresponding Wikipedia article is available in 22 languages (but not English). In some of these language there is a list of types by country (v.gr. in Spanish or Indonesian), in others there isn't any (v.gr. Portuguese or Danish). Some other languages (v.gr. Turkish) don't contain a list but have different articles for the types of companies in different countries.

I tried to add English to the list of languages in Q1269299 but it is not possible because "is already used by item Q53400657". I guess the topic could be organized in a more uniform way across the different languages. At least, Q53400657 and Q1269299 should merge.

I know too little about how Wikipedia internally works to be of any help in this situation. Renrb (talk) 16:32, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Merging items can only be done from the Wikidata side. See their help page for that: d:Help:Merge. – Ammarpad (talk) 06:07, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

2 questions
I was reading at WP:UPIMAGE. So, when a tv show ends and the studio releases the dvd or blu-ray version. Does a picture always have to be the front cover, of that tv show? As the tv show's web-site displays the front cover and back cover of the dvd or blu-ray release too? If I used the picture. It's for this page/ article?

Then on this page, as you use or at the top; it would say "Use dmy or mdy" but not both. Then there is one section, that is using "dmy" while the rest of the page uses "mdy"? And from the page's history. I'm confused by, which way it is going at? Tainted-wingsz (talk) 22:37, 30 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Question 1: I'm not sure I understand the question. That said, the image used for the TV show doesn't necessarily need to be of the Blu-Ray/DVD cover. It could just be of the title card of the show. See Good Times for an example. † dismas †|(talk) 23:01, 30 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Oh? o.k. That's one question down. Then for question 2, for the first few edits on that page/ article, this edit shows having accessdate 30 September 2018 and date September 30, 2018, then the next edit was following mdy. As this one is with book volumes is using mdy and dmy. (The one to RelDate is using mdy, while the refs uses dmy.) Then this part made me confused; If your using that to the book volumes, would you use the same to refs too? But it does not. So? What date is the page currently using, mdy or dmy? While on MOS:DATERET, it says it can't use both. Tainted-wingsz (talk) 23:55, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

I want to book a fare on the train but cant find where to do it
Where do I go to book a fare — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.72.51.65 (talk) 23:00, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 5.8 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. RudolfRed (talk) 23:03, 30 March 2019 (UTC)