Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2019 March 4

= March 4 =

Saturday Night Football seasons
Can you fix the Paragraph in the seasons category please. 68.103.78.155 (talk) 04:01, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Please be more specific about the problem. Is it about the article Saturday Night Football? PrimeHunter (talk) 10:55, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Yes PrimeHunter 68.103.78.155 (talk) 14:20, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Please state the problem clearly. "fix the Paragraph in the seasons category" is very vague. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:41, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

The Seasonal Category is suppose to say 14th season 15 epsiodes Saturday 8:00 ET Season Premiere August 31, 2019 Season Finale December 7, 2019 Can you make that Correct please. 68.103.78.155 (talk) 23:43, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Saturday Night Football is called a section. A category is something else. Fixed with  for the timeslot to include the 14th season.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saturday_Night_Football&diff=886234040&oldid=885744546] PrimeHunter (talk) 00:16, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Text color
The infobox in 2007 East Lothian Council election uses a yellow to represent the Scottish National Party. It seems this color is associated with this political party, but the text in the infobox is barely readable and probably doesn't have enough contrast per MOS:COLOR. Can anyone suggest how to improve this? The grey used for "Independent" may also be a problem. MB 05:10, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Jackyc1234 used infobox image parameters to display colored text with party abbreviations.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2007_East_Lothian_Council_election&diff=886036795&oldid=875604246] I haven't seen this before. Template:Infobox election says the parameters are for "Image of Nominee, head of Party list or Party Leader". They can be blank if there are no images. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:50, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Naming of articles about a building
I'm thinking of starting an article on the former Midland Bank headquarters at 27-35 Poultry, London. The possibilities for naming this seem endless. I could choose: and probably a myriad of other permutations. My reluctance to use Ned Hotel, or The Ned Hotel, is that name may be transitory, and I doubt it's the name by which the building is best known. Any advice much appreciated. KJP1 (talk) 10:08, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * 27-35 Poultry,
 * 27-35, Poultry, London,
 * Nos. 27-35 Poultry, which would, sort of, follow, No 1 Poultry,
 * Former Midland Bank headquarters, Poultry - as it was,
 * Ned Hotel, (London) - as it is,


 * Hi, I've added in a link to the official listing which seems to still use the name "Midland Bank". You might wish to consider if this is relevant, will people be looking for the architecture or the accommodation? Martin of Sheffield (talk) 10:52, 4 March 2019 (UTC)


 * wrong: 27-35
 * right: 27–35

Ranges of numbers, including pages, years, and things like this, use an en-dash, not a hyphen. See WP:MOS. Michael Hardy (talk) 22:08, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi again KJP! The approach I have always used in these situations is to use the street address and the town/city name, but without a comma after the number(s).  This is based on the rationale that the street address is the one unchanging feature of the building, as you say above.  So in this instance I would go with 27–35 Poultry, London.  Examples I have done include 75 Holland Road, Hove (furniture depository → flats; neither "Former Pickford's Depository, Hove" nor "Palmeira Lofts" seemed reasonable titles), 155–158 North Street, Brighton (bank → pub) and most interestingly 11 Dyke Road, Brighton (school → chapel → offices → nightclub → horror-themed indoor maze → theatre).  Furthermore I would recommend starting the lead with the sentence "The building at 27–35 Poultry..." and summarising its various uses.  Indeed, the problem with using "current" names caught me out when I wrote Brighton Forum in 2010 without realising the building was now called "Citibase Brighton" (at least its 4th name change)!  I used the street address for the Commons picture category.    Hassocks 5489 (Floreat Hova!)  22:25, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * - Good to hear from you, and great advice as always. When I get to it, I shall go for 27–35 Poultry, with an en-dash! KJP1 (talk) 07:02, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Autographed signatures
Hi, I have been adding scanned signatures of actresses of autographed pictures I've obtained. I hope that I didn't cause any problems. If so, please let me know.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 10:38, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Unless the autograph has a creative element, it is not protected under copyright or trademark law and you can put it in commons as an image. I am not a lawyer, but this appears to be the consensus. See c:Commons:When to use the PD-signature tag. -Arch dude (talk) 17:06, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * But note that, as that Commons page discusses, this varies from country to country. In the UK, most signatures are regarded as copyright, and may not be uploaded in this way. --ColinFine (talk) 17:33, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref
Hello, I read a statement that you required additional information on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grassland_Farm I located this information in a book published in 1969 by the Bedford Country Historical Society, entitled, "Doors To The Past"  For the life of me, I don't know how to notate this properly. I could not follow your instructions. I assume it should be point #4 and the corresponding reference should be ^The Bedford Coty Historical Society,"Doors To The Past", Retried? March 4, 2019 - or the date of publication, 1969. Would you please make sure that it is correctly annotated or else I will just delete my contribution. Thank you, Raymond Nadeau — Preceding unsigned comment added by RaymondANadeau (talk • contribs) 11:38, 4 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi and welcome to the help desk. References are generated semi-automatically out of any text you add enclosed in tags, including the numbering. I went ahead and fixed your markup there. For future use, you might want to use the Visual Editor which allows you to edit pages in a WYSIWYG manner, including helpful dialogues to add citations. Regards So  Why  11:47, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

please help me
Tell me that how can I create a new article on wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdulmoeedanwar (talk • contribs) 13:13, 4 March 2019 (UTC)


 * You'll find advice at WP:Your first article, but it is sensible to get used to editing existing articles before you try to start one from scratch. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:14, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

How to request a page be created?
I would like to request a couple of pages be created to make my hometowns own Wikipedia page have a little more content.

The first one I would like is

Wellington High School (Kansas) If someone can get a basic layout going I can add all the content.

And the second one is Michael Wilmoth NFL replacement referee during the 2012 NFL referee lockout. Wilmoth teaches social studies at Wellington High School. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlo1675 (talk • contribs) 15:18, 4 March 2019 (UTC)


 * For the school, find a high school page with a format you like and copy its contents as a model. Create a blank page by clicking on this link: Draft:Wellington High School (Kansas). Paste the contents of your model, and edit the heck out of it. When you are done, put  at the top and a reviewer will move it into mainspace.  (Strictly speaking, you should attribute the original model in a little note on the new article's talk page. I doubt that you will leave enough of it in your final for this to matter much, but you may as well).  For Mr. Wilmoth: please review our notability requirements: (WP:N). Do not start this article unless you can convince yourself, and us, that he is notable enough by our definition for the article to be retained, or you will be frustrated. Come back here if you need more help. -Arch dude (talk) 16:54, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

how to you wiki?
i need some thing but i don't know what code i should use to ask like cc and pp of banktr — Preceding unsigned comment added by Treeofsuccess (talk • contribs) 15:35, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia! See Welcome to Wikipedia. That should provide you enough information to get you started. —Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 15:37, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

How to control the collapsed display of a collapsible Wikitable
When you use the "collapsible" class of Wikitables, it either "shows" or "hides" the table from view. When the table is "collapsed" or "hidden", is there any way to "control" exactly what is displayed (i.e., the exact rows that get displayed)? I'd like the collapsed table to show only 1 or maybe 2 rows, but it is showing 4 or 5 rows. If you want to see the table, it is here, in my Sandbox (the first table at the top of the page): User:Joseph A. Spadaro/Sandbox/Page98. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:46, 4 March 2019 (UTC)


 * When you collapse it, it displays just the rows defined as heading rows. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:26, 4 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Are you sure? In my case, I see six rows?  And, also, can it be changed?  Or is that not changeable?  Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:36, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * You see 4 rows, 2 of which have  in them to give extra line breaks.  You can change which rows are collapsed by changing which rows you define as header rows.  You can find help on tables at Help:Table. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:47, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:32, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Alan Sabrosky
Last spring, I requested an editorial rewrite of my article on substantive grounds. That initiated a months-long process, with varying success. It resulted in a proposed revision by one editor with input from others: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Yngvadottir/Alan_Sabrosky_rewrite.

But I was just directed to my page by a friend, and instead of the rewrite (with which I am comfortable, even though it includes what I consider to be unsupported allegations at the end - not the fault of the editor doing the rewrite), I find in place a slightly modified version of the article about which I originally complained. Opinions aside, it includes factual inaccuracies (e.g. I am listed as a "retired Marine officer" when in fact I was never an officer and did not retire.

I would appreciate someone looking into this, and if the rewrite was approved reinstating it, and then fully protecting it to keep vandals at bay. It would also help to use my mull name in the subject title (Alan Ned Sabrosky), as in done in the opening to the rewrite - apparently excluding my middle name also misses most of my academic, military and government service and such.

And whatever you do, I would be grateful if you would extend my professional respects to two of the editors involved in this process: Yngvadottir and Seraphim System. Having been editor or managing editor of four journals in the course of my career, I can appreciate what they did.

Thank you, Alan Ned Sabrosky 19:48, 4 March 2019 (UTC)Docbrosk1941 (talk)


 * Convenience link. --† dismas †|(talk) 20:20, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Convenience link. --† dismas †|(talk) 20:20, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

, Looking at the talk page, it looks like things petered out, but with significant opposition. Yngvadottir, shall we look at things again?Naraht (talk) 18:44, 5 March 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what can be done. I expressed serious concerns on the talk page but was unable to make headway, and posting at the BLP noticeboard failed to break the logjam. I feel bad having stepped away, and I still stand by my proposed rewrite, although I haven't checked for possible more recent sources. I've dropped a note on the article talk page in response to a new section that had been started since. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:03, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Proposed Articles
I have a conflict of interest with a page I want created. How can I submit it for creation by someone else? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnnieCR 1991 (talk • contribs) 21:40, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * You can use the process at WP:AFC. Be sure to read the guidance for COI there and at WP:COI.  RudolfRed (talk) 22:01, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * To be clear RudolfRed is recommending that you create the article yourself, as a draft, and not that you request that someone else create it. (I agree with him: it's fairly hard to interest someone else is writing an article from scratch.) Your problem will be to try as hard as possible to be objective. After it's in good shape, you will submit it for review by a disinterested editor, who will tidy it up and remove the inevitable POV stuff that creeps in despite you best efforts, and then move it to mainspace. Good luck! -Arch dude (talk) 02:44, 5 March 2019 (UTC)