Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2019 May 1

= May 1 =

including Ports
hi im unsure if i needed to start an account, but i did as i felt other ports could be included in your list

I play Virtual Skipper 5 and the ports in the game provided by the creators are Server Port: 2350 P2P Server Port: 3450

I know nothing about programming so I am reluctant to perform any editing.

Cheers Pelican89! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pelican89! (talk • contribs) 00:27, 1 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi! One of Wikipedia's policies is to BE BOLD, so don't be afraid to jump in and make an edit you feel is worthwhile. Although anything that you add to a page should be backed up by a Reliable Source. I've added a welcome message to your talk page with some more usfeul links, give me a shout if you have any questions! --IrnBruFan7 (talk) 11:57, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

How to increase the diversity of the so-called 'featured article' ?
Topics about Britain for example seem disproportionately present in those articles. Why is this ? If this is due to contributor demographics, should the feature be removed and replaced with the 'random article' feature, perhaps for such articles meeting certain quality standards ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alainc67 (talk • contribs)
 * @Alainc67, they're chosen semi-randomly from those articles meeting the quality standards (only semi randomly, as we sometimes give consideration to particular anniversaries, or the desire to avoid two articles on similar topics in quick succession). If you feel a particular topic is under-represented, the best thing you can do is to get articles on that topic up to the requisite quality standard. Of necessity the pool of articles will always be biased in some way, as it will reflect the interests of those people who are writing the articles. &#8209; Iridescent 09:44, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * @Alainc67, they're chosen semi-randomly from those articles meeting the quality standards (only semi randomly, as we sometimes give consideration to particular anniversaries, or the desire to avoid two articles on similar topics in quick succession). If you feel a particular topic is under-represented, the best thing you can do is to get articles on that topic up to the requisite quality standard. Of necessity the pool of articles will always be biased in some way, as it will reflect the interests of those people who are writing the articles. &#8209; Iridescent 09:44, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

How to create a listing for a friend - a retired Country singer, who currently has no internet visibility
I have been asked to try to create a listing (Biography and pics) for a lady who had a recognised career in Australia with 8 published CD's and a ( more recent) recognition from the Tamworth community with a hand imprint.

Although she is really retired from active performing, she would like to think if people Googled her name, they would get some information about her career. I have been given a Bio, and a few pics to do this for her, as she does not use a computer herself. her name is Colleen Honeyman.

Here's hoping you can help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IFwords (talk • contribs) 00:27, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * To be blunt, Wikipedia has no interest in anyone's internet presence or visibility. Wikipedia is only interested in having articles about subjects that can be shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources to meet the relevant notability guidelines.  In the case of a singer, they must meet at least one of the criteria written at WP:BAND.  If your friend does so meet the guidelines, and you have the sources, they would certainly merit an article.  You should, however, read the guidance about conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 00:41, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Can anybody help me please
I am helping in the 2019 Venezuela uprising and there's an error in reference 34, 35 or 36 please help me. Thank you. --LLcentury (talk) 02:13, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Taking a look. Shearonink (talk) 03:18, 1 May 2019y (UTC)
 * Thank you!!!
 * Looks like the authors' names are messed-up. For instance, the person who wrote "Venezuela acusa a Argentina de no permitir que los venezolanos regresen a su país" for "perfil.com" has the initials DS, and "perfil.com" is not the author of that article... I removed the erroneous authors, fixed Ref 35 "El Colmbiano" but don't know how to figure out who DS is. The other Perfil.Com article does not have a stated author. I removed both of the author first/last parameters from these particular cites. If you can figure out who DS is, feel free to add that back in to that particular cite web ref. Shearonink (talk) 03:42, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Locking pliers question about spelling
Hi. Locking pliers mentions the US term "Vise Grips" (which I understand is a trademark). In the UK these are also sometimes called "vice grips" (with UK spelling), even though that isn't a trademark. Compare the use of "kleenex" as a generic term for tissues, even when they are not manufactured by the Kleenex company. I have tried to add "vice grips" as an alternate spelling but I keep getting reverted by a prescriptivist. Please see the article and its talk page. Can I get a second opinion please? Equinox ◑ 03:39, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * My Google search shows negligible usage of the term "vice grips" except in the context of misspellings. It is good that you are discussing the matter at Talk: Locking pliers. You need to gain consensus there to add this alternate spelling. As for your use of a negative term to describe an editor you disagree with on this specific matter, please don't do that. Please assume good faith of your fellow editors. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  04:04, 1 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Let's discuss this at Talk:Locking_pliers. -- Hoary (talk) 04:00, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Should You Trust Wikipedia?
If you are a student, when you need to do some research for school, or just anything you'd like to know, you look online. Most teachers tell their students over and over again, "Do not use Wikipedia. Anything but Wikipedia." If you are an adult, or teenager, you might have gone through this numerous times. What is wrong with Wikipedia? Wikipedia is a wiki, which means that anyone can edit anything, anytime. There is lots of sham information added to many articles. BOTTOM LINE: DO NOT trust Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.170.20.115 (talk) 03:40, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Terrible, isn't it, Cox Communications subscriber. So what's your question? -- Hoary (talk) 03:44, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * This has been discussed at length and repeatedly. See Reliability of Wikipedia. Do not trust Wikipedia. But do not trust any other single source, either. Most teachers will not say "don't use Wikipedia." They will instead say: "do not use any encyclopedia as a source. Use encyclopedias as a way to find other sources". Wikipedia itself does not permit the use of Wikipedia as a reliable source -Arch dude (talk) 04:22, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Review of Fair Use image
I recently uploaded an image of under the Fair Use license. Could an admin please check that I have completed the licensing details correctly as I haven't done this before for an image of a deceased person. Also, there is a "bot" alert on the page saying that the previously uploaded image will be automatically deleted on 7 April, but that deletion doesn't seem to have happened. Thanks. Muzilon (talk) 06:00, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * It seems OK since the subject is no longer alive and effort to obtain non-free has not yielded positive result. For the deletion of the old version, the bot that does that and its operator  seem to have stopped editing at the same time some weeks ago, precisely April 7. I am not sure how big Category:Non-free files with orphaned versions more than 7 days old used to be before it's cleared, but something seems amiss now. Pinging  for that issue. – Ammarpad (talk) 07:34, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't normally patrol F5 file deletions, but have completed this one. Let me know if you need anything else on this. — xaosflux  Talk 15:14, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I usually only patrol Category:Non-free files with orphaned versions more than 7 days old needing human review, which are the ones that RonBot won't handle. It seems that RonBot is down though. If I get some time, I'll go through the main category. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:41, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Mesne lord
I have  successfully  added  in  a  citation (number  2)   but then  removed  some  additional  suggested  links  at the  bottom  of the  text. Please fix  but leave in  my  citation  number  2. Thanks 175.32.32.43 (talk) 06:57, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ – Ammarpad (talk) 07:14, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Clarice Phelps
WTF wikipedia? How can you make it so easy for bad actors to remove and lock a page for an important person. Sort that shit out please. If you cant get stuff sorted to stop misoginist, racist people removing pages like this, then the dollars ive supported you with are wasted. You will not be a find source of the worlds knowledge, you will be a side bar in history. Fix please. This is not the only page, it is syptomatic or a general malaise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.189.95.77 (talk)
 * The article formerly at Clarice Phelps has been moved to Draft:Clarice Phelps where editors are working to improve it. See old deletion discussions at Articles for deletion/Clarice Phelps, Deletion review/Log/2019 February 11, Articles for deletion/Clarice Phelps (2nd nomination). PrimeHunter (talk) 10:18, 1 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The deletion was because the article was " lacking significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". If Clarice Phelps is such an important person, then it will be possible to find independent WP:Reliable sources to support the article.  There are no bad actors here, just an inadequate article.   Dbfirs  16:17, 1 May 2019 (UTC)


 * And if you know of reliable sources, then you can help by adding those sources to the draft article. If you are reluctant to add to the article itself, add them on the talk page. If you cannot find reliabl source, then you canno help us verify this person's notability. It's just as easy to add a productive comment on that talk page as it is to berate volunteer editors on this help desk. -Arch dude (talk) 17:39, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * To ensure a Wikipedia article can pass on reliable and neutral information, we have certain minimum standards called "notability" guidelines. The general guideline requires multiple instances of significant coverage in reliable, secondary sources. (For more on why we have these specific criteria, see WP:WHYN). A consequence of this guideline is if the media don't cover someone, they don't have an article. Bias in the demographics of Wikipedia biographies is tied to a bias in media coverage.


 * Phelps's article was reliant on non-independent sources – sources directly connected to her or her employer, and thus possibly non-neutral. This might seem unfair for a scientist but imagine if we had an article on a banking executive accused of corruption and used their sources or their employer's sources. It would be impossible to guarantee a neutral article.


 * The current community consensus, upheld at three discussions (and a fourth pending), is that Phelps hasn't received the necessary coverage to justify the creation of an article. – Teratix ₵ 23:45, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Comedy troupes
This seems to be quite a well-established term, and there is a Category:Comedy troupes - but no article, and the disambiguation page for Troupe does not mention it. Any suggestions as to why this should be, and/or a way of improving the situation? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 10:39, 1 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'll give the standard answer. The reason there is no Comedy troupe article is because someone, like you, hasn't written it yet. I don't mean that to sound as snarky as it might. But that's the first go-to answer for a question of this type.
 * As for how to improve the situation, I'd probably create an article similar to the one that is at Dance troupe. Then add that to the dab page which is at Troupe. And in that order specifically since dab pages are meant to have at least one blue link in each entry. See Red link.
 * I hope this helps. Let us know if you have further questions, --† dismas †|(talk) 13:59, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks, - I'll do that. I just thought that the situation seemed unusual (common term, and with a category but no article) so there might be some other reason for the lack of article. Thanks for your advice. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 14:34, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Making a new page
Hi, is it good to start a page titled "Indonesian home garden" while en-wiki has the Home garden article (or more specifically, the "Back garden" article}? Thank you.
 * ps: The redirect pages of Home garden and Home gardens direct to different pages (in order: "back garden" and "forest gardening"). What's the best choice of redirecting, between "back garden" and "forest gardening"? Dhio-270599 12:06, 1 May 2019 (UTC)


 * , one of the first questions I'd ask myself if I was in your situation is whether or not "Indonesian home garden" even needs its own article. What I mean by that is, are Indonesian home gardens different enough from other home gardens that the text describing them can't just be put into the already existing home garden article? If the only difference is that they're in Indonesia, then I would just add a line to the existing home garden article stating something like "Home gardens are also popular in Indonesia" followed by a reference or two supporting that claim. † dismas †|(talk) 14:05, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Those have an adequately distinctive set of culture, characteristics, and history. Dhio-270599 23:29, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Dhio I've taken up your query about the two redirects: please see Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2019_May_2 Bhunacat10</b> (talk),  09:56, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Procedure for deactivating "Not Done" statement
Because there was a "Not Done" tag here, Cluebot automatically archived a closure request with which two other users at WP:AN concurred. For now, I placed "nowiki" tags around the statement, but would like to know if there is a standard procedure for deactivating the "Not Done" statement. Please ping me when you reply. --Jax 0677 (talk) 13:53, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * You can instruct the bot to not archive the thread with DNAU template. – Ammarpad (talk) 08:17, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 *  Reply -, if one administrator at WP:ANRFC placed notdone tags on two of my requests, and another administrator disagrees, what is my next course of action? WP:DR? --Jax 0677 (talk) 12:49, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I am afraid, I don't know much about that with regard to WP:ANRFC process. I thought you were only asking about the automated process of archiving. Though in general, if you're in disagreement with an editor, the normal way is to discuss that on their talkpage, talkpage of the article involved or talkpage of the project page in question. Thanks. – Ammarpad (talk) 14:46, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Created category with two pages, but they're sort of the same thing
I made a new category, "Art Nouveau architecture in Cluj-Napoca", but both of its pages, Cluj-Napoca National Theatre and Romanian National Opera, Cluj-Napoca, refer to the same building. Is this okay?--Thylacine24 (talk) 13:55, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * , at the risk of treading on WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, I'd say it's fine since Category:Art Nouveau architecture by city already contains several entries that only have two pages in them. † dismas †|(talk) 14:13, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, I was asking in this case because both pages refer to the same building.--Thylacine24 (talk) 14:25, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Neither entry is primarily about the building, so the category doesn't apply to them. Clarityfiend (talk) 18:54, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The building could be split off into its own article, with links from the existing two articles, and that could be added to the category. Clarityfiend (talk) 18:58, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

OSM Location map template problem
Hi, why is the map white on mobile devices in certain articles? It works perfectly on my pc, but on my phone it just shows a blank space (as can be seen here and here). However, the map shows up on my phone in the template page, as well as in my sandbox. Thanks, Nehme1499 (talk) 14:10, 1 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Can confirm. The more detailed "street" map on both of those articles just shows a white box with the "full screen" link below them. But the OSM template works just fine on its own. This is using Chrome on an Android device.  I've no idea how to fix it though. † dismas †|(talk) 14:18, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by "street" map. Do you suggest there is a "lighter" version of the map that would display correctly on mobile phones? Nehme1499 (talk) 15:07, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * On the league pages, there are two maps. One using red dots on countries shaded different colors. The other, the one that doesn't work on mobile, shows streets, highways, etc. on them. † dismas †|(talk) 16:54, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah yes ok, I understand. <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#000080">Nehme</b><b style="font-family:Georgia;color:#27B382">1499</b>(<b style="font-size:80%;color:#a9a9a9">talk</b>) 17:16, 1 May 2019 (UTC)


 * My money is on them both being in a table, but being told to Float Centre. - X201 (talk) 15:19, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * OK, it's not that, will do more testing. - X201 (talk) 15:24, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Right. I put the maps on my user space. There was no problem. I copied the article to my userspace and the problem was there. Eventually I found that the problem occurs if the map is inside a heading. It must be something to do with the way mobile view is rendering the combination of heading and OSM map. - X201 (talk) 15:44, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I see, do you think it can be solved? Because it seems like a minor coding problem, though I'm not an expert. Nehme1499 (talk) 15:58, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * It depends where the problem is, if it's in the template it will be quick, if it's a problem with the way the mobile version is rendered when the page is requested, then it will have to go on the software development cycle and your guess is as good as mine on how long that will take. I've raised this at WP:PUMP/TECH in the hope someone will pick it up and run with it. - X201 (talk) 16:09, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Perfect, thanks for your help! Nehme1499 (talk) 16:33, 1 May 2019 (UTC)


 * This problem has been noted before. The key element here is: "phone". (And equivalent to any mobile device.) On a non-mobile device, for any article with an OSM map: insert a ".m" into the url to get "en.m.wikipedia" to get the version served up for mobile devices, and you should see the problem. There's a discussion somewhere on this but at the moment I can't seem to find it. &diams; J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 23:20, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * the discussion has been raised at WP:PUMP/TECH, if that's what you mean. <b style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:80%;color:#000080">Nehme</b><b style="font-family:Verdana;color:#27B382">1499</b> (<b style="font-size:80%;color:#a9a9a9">talk</b>) 23:37, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

"...in Brussels" category
I was sorting some buildings for categorization under "Art Nouveau buildings in Brussels", but now I'd like to know if this category only entails buildings from the City of Brussels or the entirety of Brussels-Capital Region.--Thylacine24 (talk) 15:59, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * That's an editorial decision, and you are an editor, so make it. Look at all of the existing entries in the category to guide your decision. Then, edit the category article (Yes, it is an editable article) To state what the members of the category are expected to be. If you think it needs discussion, add the discussion on the category's talk page, If no discussion ensues, announce the discjussion on the talk page of a relevant project page. Good luck! -Arch dude (talk) 17:31, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * , I suggest checking what categories "Art Nouveau buildings in Brussels″ belongs to. For example it belongs to "Buildings and structures in Brussels", which has the description "Buildings and structures in the City of Brussels and the Brussels-Capital Region" when you click on it.TSventon (talk) 17:59, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks.--Thylacine24 (talk) 18:52, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Some more suggestions when you are working with categories, using "Art Nouveau buildings in Brussels″ as an example.
 * I have added the text "Art Nouveau architecture in the City of Brussels and in the Brussels-Capital Region." to the category. When you are creating categories you can add text at the time, although it is not compulsory.
 * I added a main article, Art Nouveau in Brussels, to the category.
 * I edited "Art Nouveau in Brussels" to add it to the category. Putting "|*" after the name of the category inside the brackets means that the article appears under * at the beginning of the list of articles in the category.TSventon (talk) 10:54, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Birth year is incorrect
Birth year is incorrect on wikipedia, we have tried to change it but it goes back. I can send copy of birth certificate as reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Databasepro (talk • contribs) 16:06, 1 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia uses only published documents. Could you please tell us which article, and provide a reference in which the correct date of birth has been published?   <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  16:10, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * If you'd like to discuss the matter privately over email, please contact the Volunteer Response Team at . Wikipedia won't include your correct birthdate unless it's been published elsewhere, but I expect that we can remove the incorrect one for you. Cheers, gnu 57 19:07, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * assuming that this is about the article in your edit history, You are stuck in the same mess that we see here on the help desk several times a year, and I do not have a good solution for you. The English-language WP can remove the date, but the date is in the Wikidata item: click on the "Wikidata item" link on the left sidebar on the article. Wikidata is a sister project that allows structured data about "items", including the subjects of articles, to be shared among all of the Wikipedias and to the outside world: Google often grabs and displays this data. Wikidata got this date of birth from the Russian-language Wikipedia. I cannot read Russian, so I cannot determine where they got the incorrect birth date. We here at the english-language WP help desk cannot do much to help you at Wikidata or at the Russian Wikipedia: You will need to go to those help desks. If in fact your issue is with the Google summary, you can click on the tiny grey link at the bottom right of the summary and complain to Google. I wish I had a better answer for you. I find this mess very frustrating. -Arch dude (talk) 19:48, 1 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The other problem here is that the DOB that the (presumed) subject says is wrong is actually quite well sourced, both explicitly (see the article) and from contemporary reporting (i.e. this news story from 2010 says she was then 30, and this one from 2007 says she was then 27). So either every news source (that we can find) has had a wrong DOB for a decade or more, or... Black Kite (talk) 20:10, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately,the Wikipedia article was first created in 2005, and it had the (unsourced) birth date in it from the beginning. We have no reason to believe that any article in a publication after that date actually has an independently-verified date. Lazy reporters do not usually follow scholarly rules about sources. (Lazy scholars don't either.) -Arch dude (talk) 23:23, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * No, I know (although I'd be surprised if a number of sources were using Wikipedia for a birthdate) but we also have the situation that other accounts (also claiming to be the subject) have previously tried to change the DOB to 1983 (not 1982). Anyway, I've protected the article for the time being - let's see if we get any better data. Black Kite (talk) 00:07, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Sorry yet another question on my beginning here
I am watching Live TV in my home nation of Argentina and it says that my country is breaking out relationships with Venezuela. Yet, there are still no newspaper article to sustain it. I have already asked very kind users who told me to wait but my question is. Can in any form a Live TV report be sourced? Thank you and Happy Workers Day. --LLcentury (talk) 19:05, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, according to our guidelines, as long as the TV broadcast is archived in some publicly available form, it can be used as a source. This does not have to be via the internet, though that is more convenient, but you will need to check that they do record the reports and archive them somewhere. Alpha3031 (t • c) 07:35, 2 May 2019 (UTC)