Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2019 November 11

= November 11 =

Lupton family
In the  Olive  Middleton  section  -  I  cannot  get  rid  of the   black  print  for the   words  Elinor  Lupton - they  should  be  normally  printed. Please fix  if  you  are  able. Thanks 203.132.68.1 (talk) 00:39, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ MB 01:49, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Sorry -  I  cannot  do this  on  our  phone  device. Please remove  in  the  Olive  Middleton   section  of this  page  the  second time  reference  136  is  used. It is  beside  the  words  "Western  Front". The citation  is  superfluous  after  this  line. The FIRST  time  ref  136  is  used  is  correct  and  please  keep  it  in. Thanks 203.132.68.1 (talk) 02:37, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ MB 04:35, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

USS California BB-44
Dear Wikipedia,

Please edit the information on this ship to include this reason it sunk at Pearl Harbor, HI. Yes, it's electrical supply was down, but the reason it sunk was this. It was hit portside by two torpedoes causing it to capsize on that side. Lt. Pharris commanded for the starboard magazines to be flooded, which my dad did, with whoever assisted him. Here is the very sentence in Wikipedia on Lt. Jackson Pharris (Medal of Honor Recipient, USS California BB-44) which proves that this is true. It may have not been understood until now: "With water and oil rushing in where the port bulkhead had been torn up from the deck, with many of the remaining crewmembers overcome by oil fumes, and the ship without power and listing heavily to port as a result of a second torpedo hit, Lt. Pharris ordered the shipfitters to counterflood." I do not know what is meant by "ship fitters." My dad (Henry G. Thompson) was a Gunner's Mate, at that time and knew the ship well, having it being his home-ship for a little over 10 years.

Grammaglo52 (talk) 03:25, 11 November 2019 (UTC)Gloria (Thompson) Gold


 * Thanks for your input. For your future reference, it's simpler for us if you put this sort of a request on the talk page of the affected article rather than here on the help desk, since items here get archived and disappear rapidly. I'll go ahead and handle that for you now in honor of Veteran's day, and then look at incorporating this into the article later. A Medal of Honor citation is unusual as a "reliable source" by our definition, but I think it's defensible. -Arch dude (talk) 04:43, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * BTW, "shipfitters" are the folks who repair ships. They are usually civilian shipyard workers. -Arch dude (talk) 04:53, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Does this fit in Wikipedia?
I want to know if Wikipedia is the right page for a proposed "List of train departures in China", where I plan to put down the two termini for each train departure, after my previous page (which included all the stops as well as the time of arrival/departure was proposed for deletion (and I requested its deletion). (See my talk page.) If it doesn't work, does Wikivoyage work? Thanks. 數神 (talk) 06:44, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I can't speak to whether Wikivoyage would want that, but I'm afraid (if I've understood you correctly) this would not be appropriate for Wikipedia. This isn't a place for train schedules. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:52, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * So even just the two termini are disallowed? Puzzled User (talk) 23:51, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * This means I am planning something like this:

數神 (talk) 03:09, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Submitting an article
Hi I am the PR person for actor Rege Lewis and I would like to submit his profile/page. How do I proceed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bamboopark (talk • contribs) 15:55, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Basically, you don't, because you have a conflict of interest. However, if you wish to attempt it anyway, then please read our guidelines. In a nutshell:


 * 1) Declare your paid status on your user page. This is mandatory and is part of the terms of service imposed by the owners of this web site. See WP:PAID.
 * 2) Ensure that your subject is notable by our definition, not yours. See WP:N. If your subject is notable, we will get an article in here somehow even if we get off to a rocky start. If the subject is not notable, then  then there is nothing you or anyone else can do to keep the article in Wikipedia, no matter how wonderful it is in every other respect.
 * 3) Carefully review the above point on notability. We are serious about this. Really. Do not waste your time and ours by ignoring this point.
 * 4) Go read and heed WP:YFA for guidance about actually producing a draft.
 * 5) Submit your new draft.
 * I know this all seems pretty negative, but believe it or not, we really do want that article if the subject is notable. Good luck! -Arch dude (talk) 16:21, 11 November 2019 (UTC)


 * What you may not realise,, is that your aims as a publicist, and Wikipedia's aims as an encyclopaedia, are not the same, and may sometimes be opposed. Your concern, quite properly, is to present your client in a good light. Wikipedia does not care whether a subject is presented in a good light or not; it only cares what independent, reliably published, sources have said about the subject. If a certain critic has praised your client, then the article may certainly say "XXX has described Lewis as YYY", with a citation (but an article must not say "Lewis is YYY" in Wikipedia's voice). But if another critic has panned your client in another reliable publication, the article should equally report that. And you and your client will not have any control over what is put in the article: you can make suggestions, but nothing more. --ColinFine (talk) 18:12, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * . Just checking, I only see one mention of "Rege Lewis" in a film which has an article on Wikipedia: States of Grace, is this correct? Whether or not an actor is notable isn't necessarily tied to whether the movies that they have been in have articles (or are notable themselves) (while not applying to your client, there are porn actors/actresses who have gotten industry wide awards, but none of their movies have reached notability level) but rather coverage in 3rd party publications. There may well be a day when your client reaches the notability guidelines in WP:NACTOR but I don't think he does now.Naraht (talk) 18:53, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Number of contributions
Does anyone know how to find out exactly how many contributions you have? I know that I have at least 500, but I want to know a more precise number. Thanks! TL The Legend talk 18:20, 11 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Special:CentralAuth/TL The Legend shows how many edits you have made on each Wikipedia (317 here on enwiki). --David Biddulph (talk) 18:27, 11 November 2019 (UTC)


 * There's also an "Edit count" link in the box at the bottom of your contributions page and a "Number of edits" entry in your preferences, under the "User profile" tab. Each of these places may give a slightly different edit count. Deor (talk) 19:53, 11 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks! TL The Legend talk 19:55, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

GSN keeps airing the 3rd and 4th season of Harvey Fued over and over
GSN keeps airing the 3rd and 4th seasons of Harvey Feud over and over again and it's like Richard Karn Feud revisited and i am very sick of it. 68.103.78.155 (talk) 18:58, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * This is not the appropriate venue. Wikipedia is not a forum, either. MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 19:55, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Question to avoid bias
Hi all! We don't celebrate it here, but happy First World War end anniversary to you all. Well, my question is the following: - I'm about to create an article of a Niger's football soccer referee who now works for Niger military and was banned for life by FIFA for bribery and corruption. Does that categorize him as a criminal?. I.e.: Category:Criminals from Niger, etc. Thank you! --CoryGlee (talk) 20:51, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * FIFA is not a governmental body so this person would not be a 'criminal' merely for being sanctioned by FIFA. They would need to be convicted by a government in order to be a 'criminal'. 331dot (talk) 21:20, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Perfectly understood :) :) :) --CoryGlee (talk) 21:37, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

I can't get on my account
Wikipedia will not let me sign in. I wrote down my Wikipedia password and tried to enter that but it said it was incorrect. I then entered my email asking to re-set my password. No emails from wiki have come and I can't try to re-set it again until 24 hours after I tried to re-set it the first time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FCC8:C946:A400:396C:A5C3:5A93:1C1A (talk) 21:11, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * We can't really do too much to help you with this; if you put the correct email with your account, you should get a message back. 331dot (talk) 21:21, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Is it possible that you mis-typed your user name? Look back at some of the articles you have edited to check.  If you really have lost your account, then just create a new one and make a link to the old one on your user page.  Dbfirs  06:43, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Issue with table formatting
I recently updated and expanded the table showing the list of earthquakes that is part of the 2019 Cotabato earthquakes article. I can't get one of the entries to display properly in the table, the one for October 20 at 11:50:35. The double "pipe" character is just shown as two lines rather than being used to move to the next cell. I can't see what's wrong with the formatting that's causing this problem. I would be grateful if anyone is able to explain where I'm going wrong, thanks. Mikenorton (talk) 23:37, 11 November 2019 (UTC)


 * has hopefully cured it. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:29, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes it did - thanks very much. Mikenorton (talk) 00:51, 12 November 2019 (UTC)