Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2019 October 23

= October 23 =

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Newyorkartists (talk • contribs) 23 October 2019 00:49 (UTC)
 * On the assumption that this relates to Draft:Borzu Ravan, there are no reference errors showing at the page. However, what you will need to do, is place the references inline at the points in the text to which they refer. See WP:REFB for a guide to how to do this and WP:CITET for templates to use. Note that refs should be independent of the subject. Occupations should not be capitalised but 'September' should be. Please study carefully the links at your talk page particularly with regard to the manual of style and also see WP:YFA for help with articles.
 * To save time I will decline the page as it stands and add more detail in the declinature notice. If this is an autobiography please read that page together with why this is not always a good idea and if you have any connection with the subject read WP:COI and WP:PAID and make any necessary disclosures.
 * Your username possibly indicates that it refers to ,more than one person, which is not allowed. Accounts cannot be shared. Please clarify and request a change if necessary. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 05:23, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

How to create an article for a name that already exists?!
Hi, I am trying to figure out how to create an article for a name that already exists?

There are at least 10 articles already for the name that I want to create an article for, what should I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexjnoah (talk • contribs) 02:08, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * It isn't possible to have two articles with identical titles, so those 10 or more about 'the same name' must all be different in some way. If you're talking about a person's name, such as John Smith, the usual way to make each article title unique is to qualify the name with a succinct description in parentheses, such as John Smith (painter), John Smith (boxer), John Smith (composer), etc. (I just made up those examples). These are then all listed on a 'Disambiguation page' with the undifferentiated name as title, so that people who search on 'John Smith' are taken there and can check through the list for the person they're looking for (as you'll see if you click on the link above). For names other than personal names, similar expedients are used. We could probably give better advice if you tell us what the name in question is. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.41.118 (talk) 03:06, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * If there's more than one 'John Smith (occupation)' then one often-used way to disambiguate is to use the year of birth... (then month). Eagleash (talk) 06:57, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I assume this is about User:Alexjnoah/sandbox. First make a draft which satisfies Notability (people) or Notability (music). That's the hard part, and impossible for many people due to lack of reliable independent sources. Then add   to the draft. An editor will then review it (this may take a long time). If they accept the draft then they will choose an appropriate title in the encyclopedia and add a link to Haider Ali so readers can find the article. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:17, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Alright, I understand how to differentiate an article, thanks for the help. I have a couple of other questions here, 1. is it possible to have the article that I am currently working on reviewed, and approved by Notability (people) or Notability (music) while it is in my sandbox, considering I have strong sources to back up this article? --Alexjnoah (talk) 23:37, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

help with formatting
I have a couple questions regarding formatting. Should references in/out [1]. or .[1]? Should references be only located at the end of the sentence or linked to the part of the statement they refer to? If a sentence uses more that one citation do you include both at the end? Should numbers have a comma (1,000) or no comma (1000) Do you have suggestions for links to other wiki articles, is there a rule regarding what to link to other wiki articles? RettK (talk) 03:32, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , Per WP:REFPUNC, they should go out, such as .[1] Usually they should be at the end of the sentence they support, although they may be in the middle in unusual circumstances. If a sentence has multiple citations, you include them all at the end. Numbers should have commas. See WP:WIKILINK for the guide on "WikiLinking". Generally, you link an item only once in an article, and only the first time you mention it. Do not link obvious things, like the Sun. Only link if you think it would help a reader by being there. Hope that helps! Captain Eek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 04:49, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you CaptainEek! — Preceding unsigned comment added by RettK (talk • contribs) 05:10, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Problem with an administrator
Hi. Where is the correct place for me to go, if I am having a problem with an administrator? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:28, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , well first I would try talking it out with the admin, or requesting a form of dispute resolution. If that is not sufficient, then open a thread at WP:ANI, the noticeboard for incidents. Please make sure to keep your report concise, use WP:DIFFs, and stay WP:CIVIL. Captain Eek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 04:40, 23 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Huh? Thanks.  But I didn't understand a word you said.  Too much "alphabet soup" -- and Wikipedia "jargon" -- with which I am not familiar.  Where is the correct place for me to go to?  Thanks.    Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:43, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , Go to WP:ANI. Captain Eek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 04:46, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming this is about the impeachment thread at the refdesk, so I feel beholden to inform you that there the refdesks are essentially not really part of Wikipedia in that they ignore quite a number of our basic policies and basically work entirely under their own rules that the rest of us don't particualrly know or care about, so admins who work in the "real" encyclopedia have little to no interest in wading into the various feuds that erupt there. Quora or Reddit might be better places for such a discussion as they aren't half-in-and-half-out of an encyclopedia project. Beeblebrox (talk) 06:46, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd point out that in any case, if you open an ANI thread without first talking to the user concern on their talk page about your concerns, expect a negative reception. Likewise if you open an ANI thread but provide no diffs. In other words, if you can't understand what CaptainEek said, don't expect to get very far at ANI. Nil Einne (talk) 09:00, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * And also be prepared for WP:BOOMERANG - X201 (talk) 13:07, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, all. I appreciate the responses. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:34, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

What to reference

 * time is limited, if immediate answer is'nt, I would just leave, sorry 122.197.12.190 (talk) 06:31, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi,I can reply right now, but I can't answer anything as your question is very unclear. What exactly do you need help with? If it is regarding how to add references to Wikipedia articles, this page should tell you what you need to know. If it's something else please post a clearer question identifying what specific help you need editing Wikipedia. Beeblebrox (talk) 06:35, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I would like to know, what people recently talkes about, espetially, in science field, if I am to add.
 * By the way, The last time I asked such a question, if I remember correctly, the answer was, also if I remember correctly, "Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus" by Ludwig Wittgainstein.
 * In the case I can not catch up, I would like to ask, humbly, to move this post to most recent position.
 * 122.197.12.190 (talk) 05:30, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Need Help Uploading an Image
I need someone who has completed ten edits or more in Wikipedia to upload an image and text for me. Thanks for your help and thanks again in advance. Looking forward to your reply. Wiki User > Namronpb — Preceding unsigned comment added by Namronpb (talk • contribs) 07:20, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , there is a process to do this - see WP:Files for Upload  Oxon Alex    - talk  10:02, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Although if it is a free image, upload it at commons - Commons:Special:UploadWizard.
 * If you're unsure about if its a free image, go to files for upload and they'll work it out.  Oxon Alex    - talk  10:08, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * If you're unsure about if its a free image, go to files for upload and they'll work it out.  Oxon Alex    - talk  10:08, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Wrong logo KTH
Hi, On our Wikipedia page we have an old logotype that we want to replace. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work to upload our logo. How should I do?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KTH_Royal_Institute_of_Technology

BR Malin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malinsoderkv (talk • contribs) 07:38, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , new users can't upload images themselves. You need to make a request at WP:Files for Upload, where users experienced in Wikipedia, and copyright policy for images will assist you.  Oxon Alex    - talk  10:03, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:Files for Upload can be a little tricky for newcomers. An organization logo for an infobox is easy to upload - I can help.  Is the only different that the blue text on clear background logo has been replaced by one with white text on a blue background? I can take the image from your web site.  TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  20:58, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Regarding Wikipedia page publishing.
I have created a Wikipedia page 2 days ago, but the page is not published yet. Could anyone tell me what to do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pallewatta (talk • contribs) 11:54, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * You edited your sandbox, which is not article space.(Wikipedia has 'articles not mere "pages") It is 'published' in that people can see it if they know to look for it; if you want it to be 'published' in that it is formally part of the encyclopedia, you will need to submit it for a review using Articles for Creation(this will not be quick).  However, as it is now it has almost zero chance of being accepted, as it is just a promotional piece about yourself(and it very likely may be deleted shortly).  Please read the autobiography policy about why writing about yourself is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia.  Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that is interested in what independent reliable sources say about article subjects, not in what the subject wants to say about themselves. 331dot (talk) 11:59, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Question regarding source (whether it can it be used as a ref)
I have a question regarding this paper (linked below) by the geneticist Iosif Lazaridis. It seems to be a preprint, and I wondered whether this means it is not a reliable source (since that means it has not yet been peer-reviewed) https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/423079v1.full Thank you. Skllagyook (talk) 14:15, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Try asking at the Reliable source noticeboard. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 17:28, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I will. Thank you. Skllagyook (talk) 17:34, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

How to collapse a section
Hello all. I know I've done it before, but can't seem to remember what to place at the beginning and end of a section to collapse it when it becomes too long for the article: "col" something or other. Thanks in advance! Maineartists (talk) 16:14, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * MOS:DONTHIDE. When not in article space,  and related templates.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 16:23, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello Sir,
Thanks a lot for your brilliant services & a precious space for recordings the human being history. Due my life Activities & for continuing my music profession I need to save my life activities on wikipedia. I am fully here & want to Listen & correct & improve my page till it gets your approval. Sir, Here is the page I edited for more than 100 times plus it source codes, would you pls let me know which parts need to be corrected or improved?
 * I removed the copy of your draft. Next time, please just post a link: User:Peyman_Sadeghian/sandbox RudolfRed (talk) 21:29, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Advice against trying to use Wikipedia for an autobiography is given at WP:Autobiography. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:56, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Remotely editing a wiki page
Is there a way to remotely edit a (company) wiki page, assuming that the user is authenticated in their browser, etc? If so, is there a step-by-step instructional wiki on how to do such tasks? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.140.194.178 (talk) 21:41, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * When you say remotely, what do you mean exactly? Wikipedia is editable on mobile (as I am doing right now). As this is a company you are referring too, do you work for them? If so, you should read our policies on paid editing and conflict of interest. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:43, 23 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Are you asking about a wiki that that company maintains on its own website? The answer would depend on the company's policy. —Tamfang (talk) 01:16, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Addition of a Twinkle-like dropdown menu to p-views
How would I do this? I'd like my personal portlet links to be under something different than. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MoonyTheDwarf (talk • contribs) 23:19, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

hi! how do i get a page published for a creator?
hi! i am trying to get https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Smallant1 this link posted as a real link for a creator as a surprise! how is that done? thank you! 131.251.252.218 (talk) 23:30, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi. I like smallant1 myself, however, this page does not adhere to wikipedia's notability requirements, and as such this draft cannot be put into article space. Alongside that, I don't think any amount of editing will make this draft notable, either. MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 23:42, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

How To Change An Incorrect Photo
Wikipedia has the wrong person being shown when you search for the person. How can I change the photo on his behalf? Have his permission. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wjan51663 (talk • contribs) 23:39, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Maitland - The information is correct. The photo is not of him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wjan51663 (talk • contribs) 23:43, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * There is no photo on that page.
 * Symbol move vote.svg Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:50, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * There is no photo in the article Jack_Maitland. If you are seeing something when you search via Google (et al), then that is from the search engine and not from Wikipedia.  RudolfRed (talk) 23:52, 23 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Greg Egan is a good example of this. He likes his obscurity, and says no genuine photo of him exists on the Web.  In reaction to seeing pictures of other Gregs Egan attributed to him, he put on his website some old pictures of random people annotated with "Google are such fools!" — and if you ask Google about him, you'll see one of those pix beside a link to our article on him. —Tamfang (talk) 01:21, 24 October 2019 (UTC)