Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2019 September 2

= September 2 =

Glen Affric
Ref number  55  should  be  a  pdf  but  I  got  it  all  wrong. Please leave  in  quotes   when  you  fix  it. There are 21  pages-  all  are  relevant. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 01:24, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Ref number 55 should be a pdf but I got it all wrong. Please leave in quotes when you fix it. There are 21 pages- all are relevant. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 01:24, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. You put the  parameter in twice. Before I merged these two paragraphs, there were six threads on the help page with the same heading. You have been asked not to do this dozens of times (at least). Also, no matter how many times you put it in there, the date still does not go in the publisher parameter. Eagleash (talk) 05:47, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Question on editing
I tried to edit Nick Carter Killmaster. I wanted to say I have been exposed to the series and certain facts are incorrect.Am I allowed to do that, or only edit the existing content? I tried to put my comments about the content, to precede the content, Is that allowed. My corrections would be verifiable. I got an autoresponse saying my comments dot appear constructive. What is the right way to edit ThanksMohinih (talk) 02:34, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, Mohinih. You have added a very large preface to the article, consisting of your memories, musings and suppositions. Wikipedia is not for the sharing of what lies within our heads, it is for sharing knowledge as Wikipedia defines it. Imagine if every article were preceded by such prefaces, one for each interested editor. The article would be somewhat lost amid the postings. Wikipedia requires that edits to articles be supported by citations of reliable sources. What you contributed is what Wikipedia calls WP:Original research, and is considered unencyclopedic. You may want to read WP:NOT.--Quisqualis (talk) 04:03, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject Cricket Romania Cup
I am the webmaster of the cricket statistics site www,howstat.com.

We are having difficulty in sourcing scorecard data from the recent Romania Cup and I notice that you have scores for each of the matches on your page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Romania_T20_Cup.

I am seeking help about how to go about contacting whoever is responsible for posting those scores with a view to getting assistance in sourcing scorecards for those matches. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Howstat (talk • contribs) 03:04, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Sources in the 'References' section at the bottom might be the simplest way to find that information. You can see who edited what via the 'View history' tab at the top; then you can contact editors via 'talk' link next to their name. I hope this helps. 2606:A000:1126:28D:C4E6:C890:C83B:1F95 (talk) 04:27, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The primary editor (almost exclusively) is: Bs1jac (talk). 2606:A000:1126:28D:C4E6:C890:C83B:1F95 (talk) 05:39, 2 September 2019 (UTC)


 * The cards are available on the European Cricket Network app. Where teams were not bowled out (and players didnt bowl) it is not possible to know the XI as the whole squad is listed. Day 1 matches are on Cricinfo and I am sure the rest will be there shortly. There are mistakes in both sources. In CI it says Lux named no keeper but Joost Mees played as WK and is not in the XI on CI. Bs1jac (talk) 06:27, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Edo Zanki
Needs an English lang entry. See https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edo_Zanki

146.115.83.77 (talk) 13:08, 2 September 2019 (UTC)


 * The process for translation is at WP:Translation. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:46, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Article
How do you make an article from the bottom — Preceding unsigned comment added by AvaTvilde (talk • contribs) 13:09, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Successfully making a new article is the hardest task on Wikipedia. New users are much more successful at it when they first spend much time editing existing articles in areas that interest them, to get a feel for how Wikipedia works and to become familiar with guidelines. New users who dive right in to creating articles without being familiar with the process often end up disappointed and with hurt feelings as something they spent hours on is mercilessly edited and even deleted by others.  I don't want that to happen to you, so I would suggest that you edit existing articles first.  You may also want to use the new user tutorial.
 * If you still want to attempt to create a new article, you should use the tutorial as well, and read Your First Article. You can then use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for review. 331dot (talk) 13:18, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Certified units
Hello, I was editing the certification for Dean Lewis' Be Alright. But it doens't show the code to edit the number of Certified Unit and now it shows a message error. Could you please hep me? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Be_Alright_(Dean_Lewis_song)&action=edit&section=7 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.26.188.17 (talk) 14:00, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Dan Schneider (writer)
I want to delete this page, since its notability is questionable. How would I go around doing that? The previous deletion discussion is locked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zelda120! (talk • contribs) 16:21, 2 September 2019 (UTC)


 * The process for starting an AFD discussion is described at WP:AFD. You would need to make it clear why you think that the situation has changed since the previous discussion. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:44, 2 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I notice that this is (at least) the fourth time that deletion of this article has been proposed, following AFD discussions in 2007, 2008 and 2010. Since the notability of most active writers tends to increase with time (more written by them, more written about them) and articles' notability evidence also tend to be improved over time, I infer (perhaps mistakenly) that such proposals may possibly reflect infighting within poetry circles rather than any intrinsic merit in the non-notability argument.
 * I've never heard of the subject before now, and a quick perusal of the article suggests that he may be a somewhat contentious figure (I was reminded of Harlan Ellison), but notability of persons in Wikipedia is wholly dependent on how well documented in Reliable sources they are, not how much they are liked. Importing real-world emnities into Wikipedia by attempting to have one anothers' articles deleted frequently has a counterproductive effect. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.61.224 (talk) 04:38, 3 September 2019 (UTC)


 * The most recent AfD for the article attracted one "vote" for delete, ten for keep, and six for strong keep. The OP is aware of that discussion. So it's hard to believe that their proposal is motivated by a hope of getting the article deleted. Maybe it's an attempt to help publicise Schneider by using the Streisand effect? Maproom (talk) 06:17, 3 September 2019 (UTC)


 * There do seem to be an element of canvassing affecting the latest AfD. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:48, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Tree chart/family tree
Is there an easier way to make a tree chart/family tree than the template? I feel like there's an easier way to learn or make one, but I'm not sure where to find that. Port u ghetti talk 21:27, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

External images as citation?
I'd like to add a photo to Lance_Armstrong to act as the citation needed in that section, and while I've reviewed the external image syntax, it's a little inscrutable for this n00b. I couldn't find a relevant photo that's under Creative Commons, but I did find photos on Getty Images and the like cited in news articles, for example:

Getty: https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/tour-de-france-2005-stage-21podium-armstrong-lance-yellow-news-photo/989846676 News coverage: https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/armstrong-visits-paris-but-doesnt-want-to-talk-about-the-tour-91707

Questioning intensifies:
 * Do I link directly to the Getty image, or link to the news story containing it, or something else entirely?
 * If I'm doing that, am I adding the image to the section, or just linking to it as a reference?
 * Is a citation really even needed here if one images search brings up dozens of photos showing the event?
 * Lastly, I'm pretty sure my first article needs some citations it doesn't have–is it appropriate to add a citation to one's own article?

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by PrinceKuhio (talk • contribs) 22:15, 2 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Pictures from the media and other copyrighted materials should not be uploaded on Wikimedia Commons (never) or on Wikipedia (almost never).
 * Regarding the citation needed on (...) where his son Luke helped his father hoist the trophy, while his daughters (in yellow dresses) held the stuffed lion mascot and bouquet of yellow flowers - well, you could cite the cyclingweekly source (the full article, not just the photograph). See WP:REFB for the technical how-to. I believe that answers most of your questions.
 * However, a better question is whether that level of detail is really appropriate in an encyclopedia article. The whole "personal life" section is also questionable regarding WP:BLPPRIVACY. I am not sure a 6-month relationship is worth mentioning, and I am 99% sure that Although it was believed that Armstrong could no longer father children, due to having undergone chemotherapy for testicular cancer, this child was conceived naturally should be removed (no matter how well-sourced this is). Basically, all that stuff is gossip - well-sourced gossip to be sure, but still, it is hard to imagine that any reader would care in 50 years.
 * Finally, for "is a citation really needed for something a basic web search can find" - yes. The technical reason is that web searches can return different results for different users, websites can go down etc. etc. The more fundamental reason is verifiability - Wikipedia contains information, but also where that information comes from. A standard encyclopedia has its readers trust in the credibility of its authors/editors, but that option is not available to Wikipedia (as by construct anyone can edit articles). Instead, we give the sources so that a doubting reader can check by themselves at a much lower cost of time/brainpower/subject familiarity than it took to write the article. Tigraan Click here to contact me 13:04, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Question on WP:NPR
I just wanted a quick clarification on one thing... While a 90 day old account and 500 mainspace edits are a requirement, do you need to have created any pages prior to obtain the right? Or can it be obtained even without page creation? (The pages I’ve created are talk pages for warnings and a couple redirects) James-the-Charizard (talk) 23:04, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * It doesn't say you need page creation experience, but you do need page move experience. RudolfRed (talk) 23:39, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * As in page move experience? James-the-Charizard (talk) 23:56, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Imagine the requirement is to show knowledge of the article title policy, especially WP:UCRN, as well when articles should be draftifyied.  OxonAlex    - talk  08:09, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Barry Gibb
Barry Gibb was born on the Isle of man making him British. He and his family then moved to Australia where he still lives. So sorry to disappoint you but he and his whole family are Australian - British and no where near American. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.112.23.40 (talk) 23:15, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The article Barry Gibb says he lives in Miami. You can discuss this on the article's talk page if you think this is an error.  RudolfRed (talk) 23:37, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Buried in the body of the article under 'Personal life' is the fact that he has dual British and American citizenship, having taken the latter in 2009. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.61.224 (talk) 04:46, 3 September 2019 (UTC)