Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2019 September 28

= September 28 =

Visual editor acting weird
Hello! I've been having a weird issue with the visual editor. Basically, if I select a lot of text and if somewhere in that text is a reference, I can't delete it. I can do it manually by holding backspace but not if its selected all at once. I tried updating and restarting Windows 10 but that didn't work, and my browser (Firefox) is up to date. Any ideas as to why this might be happening? TheAwesome Hwyh  05:09, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Response here.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  21:06, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

I would like to know if you guys can help me with something about DAF camps.
Hello,

I recently acquired a small collection of WWII-Germany DAF, NSDAP & other items of the sort. The one item that’s making scratch my head is a DAF banner or mantel, that has a DAF patch sewn on. On the bottom of that it says “1940” & underneath that “VII-K”. Then a leather swastika patch sewn on the bottom area. The cloth used for everything to be sewn on looks and feels like a large pillow case that has been closed. So no holes no place a stick for a flag or hang as a banner. The “mantle” (lets call it that for now) has dirt marks like if a coal worker cleaned his hands on it or like an old school mechanic. Got off track a bit. What I wanted to find out is the numbers on it. Where the camps numbered in any way? I see you guys have them in alphabetical order but did the Germans numbered their camps?

Any help you can give me or if you can point me in the right direction would be a great help.

Thanks Omar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.72.178.70 (talk) 05:29, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, Omar. The place for such questions on Wikipedia would be the Reference desk/Humanities. This page is solely about how to be a Wikipedia editor.--Quisqualis (talk) 06:05, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Thurako.26 (talk • contribs) 09:55, 28 September 2019 09:55 (UTC)
 * On the assumption that this relates to Britney Spears, I have fixed the error message in the legacy section. Please provide a link to pages you are having difficulty with. Please see WP:REFB for a guide to correctly adding references. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 12:38, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

HowTo: Tweak magic-wiki-markup to appropriately get introductory treble-clef-with-score icon to introduce song lyrics. Thx!
What 'magic-wiki-markup' causes an introductory treble-clef with score to appear? I did an edit on the entry The Party's Over (1956 song) and copy/pasted markup from the America the Beautiful article. To my pleased amazement, there appeared the treble-clef-with-score and stub message about missing referencews. I'd like to use this markup, but this rusty wikean is once again baffled on how to tweak the markup.

I've got my fingers crossed that the following markup from "The Party's Over" will illustrate the treble-clef with score: According to the web-site SecondHandSongs, there have been almost 100 covers of The Party's Over, with various alternative lyrics.

Nope. Drat. The treble-clef with score doesn't show up.

Please check the entry The Party's Over (1956 song), preferably before it gets reverted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by L d allan (talk • contribs) 15:54, 28 September 2019 (UTC)


 * The treble-clef and following text are produced by the template . Maproom (talk) 16:33, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

2020-21 United States Television Schedule
Can you fix an error on the article please. 68.103.78.155 (talk) 17:45, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * That would require knowing what the error is. If you wish, you may bring it up on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 18:29, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Can you Fix 2 errors on The Draft 2020-21 United States Television Schedule Article 331dot Please. 68.103.78.155 (talk) 19:05, 28 September 2019 (UTC)


 * ✅. You were trying to close the . But when you are asking for help with a problem, it is much kinder to explain what the problem is, rather than leaving people to guess. --ColinFine (talk) 19:22, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Hey ColinFine Can you fix the reference i made about the three year renewal of this is us for me please i Would Except it. 68.103.78.155 (talk) 23:55, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Why Didn't You Fix The Reference i Made about this is us three season renewal. 68.103.78.155 (talk) 15:36, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Admin goggles needed
Hello helpdesk. Would any admins watching be able to share with me the username of the editor who created the now-deleted Triveni ethnics? Thanks. SamHolt6 (talk) 18:34, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The creator is usually notified so you can click "What links here" to find User talk:Coolsafwan. I can confirm it is the creator. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:39, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * thanks for the tip; I never thought about doing that for deleted articles.--SamHolt6 (talk) 14:12, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

How to create more than one sandbox
Hello, I would like to ask if you can create more than one sandbox? because I don't know how to do it. thanks--Roger gdare (talk) 18:53, 28 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Why do you need more than one? Clarityfiend (talk) 19:06, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Sure, you can, ; I do it myself when I'm dumping notes for multiple articles. Your sandbox is just a user page under your user name. You can create User:Roger gdare/Sandbox2, User:Rogert gdare/Sandbox3, etc, but also you can name pages in your userspace anything you want, like User:Roger gdare/Sample article. Schazjmd   (talk)  19:17, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't exactly say "how", did I? The quickest way I've found to create a new page in userspace is to go to my userpage, and then add a slash and the page name in the address bar of my browser and hit "enter". When you do that, you'll see a message that says "Wikipedia does not have a user page with this exact name." and immediately below that it says "Start the (name) page." Click that link and the page will open in edit mode. Schazjmd   (talk)  19:21, 28 September 2019 (UTC)


 * You can also use Help:Userspace_draft. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:25, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

How to arabic_interwiki_of:English_article_name
Nelson_Mandela's Arabic article is ar:نيلسون مانديلا. I want to link arwiki, writing the English name, not the arabic spelling. For example, I hope there is a *** that makes ***:Nelson_Mandela become the same as 2.
 * 1) Nelson_Mandela becomes Nelson_Mandela
 * ar:نيلسون مانديلا becomes ar:نيلسون مانديلا

--151.70.62.16 (talk) 19:13, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Something like this Nelson Mandela?--SirEdimon (talk) 19:17, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually, since on arwiki "Nelson Mandela" is a redirect to "نيلسون مانديلا", you can just use ar:Nelson Mandela. (This obviously won't work for every case, though.) Eman  235 / talk  20:03, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks but I'm looking for a general solution that does not need the arabic spelling --151.70.62.16 (talk) 06:21, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * If you know the Wikidata item then you can use Module:Wikidata label. For example, clicking "Wikidata item" under "Tools" on Nelson Mandela gives, so  produces . I don't know whether you can get the Wikidata item of a page by giving the page name. If you want to display the language code then   produces ar:. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:18, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks!--151.70.24.101 (talk) 05:52, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Here's an automatic way of doing it: → This is a link to the Arabic article on Mandela – Thjarkur (talk) 12:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks!--151.70.24.101 (talk) 05:52, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Reference formatting
Hi Folks, I have this ref from a German article: This is it:

I want to try and format it. Its a article or chapter inside a book. This is the book: You can see it is a series, and this: is the entries in the Series:Schriften der Gedenkstätte Deutscher Widerstand and if you search on it you find the article: Die Rote Kapelle im Widerstand gegen Hitler.. So how format it, start with cite book and so on. I'm not sure. scope_creep Talk  21:16, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I think that if you look in Template:Cite book under "Citing a chapter in a book with different authors for different chapters and an editor", you'll find what you want. You'll need to use "editor1", "editor2", and "editor3" params for the three editors. Deor (talk) 18:26, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Thanks for replying. So that is what an editor is, that is where the confusion lies. So when somebody writes a book and request folk to write each chapter, the chapter writers are editors.  I always thought an editor was somebody who took a written book and checked the spelling and layout and whatnot.   scope_creep Talk  18:48, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The writers of individual chapters or sections or articles are: authors so lastn / firstn or authorn. In these cases, the editor is the person who compiles the book – assembles the various author-writings into a book.  The editor in these cases is often found on the cover and title page.  Look at your source and you should see that.  For your example perhaps:
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 19:04, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks Thanks . I will keep a copy of that for later use. Can you believe I've been trying for months.  scope_creep Talk  12:22, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 19:04, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks Thanks . I will keep a copy of that for later use. Can you believe I've been trying for months.  scope_creep Talk  12:22, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

DOI in references
is doi:10.1038/333545a0 or it should be doi=10.1038/333545a0 ?

I seem to be having issues with doi in references

Aatsonis (talk) 21:31, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Its for the Anastasios Tsonis article. Second one, but you can use a shortcut to use doi in journal articles. If you look at the edit bar above you when your editing, you will see Cite button and a drop down which will say cite journal. If you plug the doi into the doi field and press search, will auto populate the dialog, press ok and it will create the reference for you. Lastly I noticed, professors are only emeritus when they retire, not distinguished.  scope_creep Talk  22:07, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Frances J. White

 * Section header inserted by ColinFine (talk) 08:28, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

I find I am unable to update the reference links on my sister's Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_J._White

Please can you update links: Home Page:Frances J. white". University of Oregon. 2008. Retrieved 2008-07-05. should be: https://anthropology.uoregon.edu/profile/fwhite/

Eros of the Apes (PDF). BBC. Retrieved 2008-07-05. should be: https://blogs.uoregon.edu/fwhite/research/frances-white-publications/

Many thanks Neville White — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neville52 (talk • contribs) 22:40, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Help with adding archive search box
Hi there, someone set up Talk:It was a dark and stormy night with auto-archiving by month/year, but there's no search box or listing of the archives at the Talk page, and I can't figure out how to enable one. I'm usually pretty good at muddling this stuff out, but not so much this time apparently. Thanks for your assistance! DonIago (talk) 23:02, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ – Thjarkur (talk) 11:34, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! DonIago (talk) 14:38, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

I hope I'm not running in circles
At this WikiProject message, I had a short concern. Then for the targeted page, so far some of the info came from wikia/ fandom. Which might raise a concern to WP:UGC. And I'm not sure what to do next? Since I edited there. One said to undo my edits. Tainted-wingsz (talk) 23:23, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

what do you do? If there was a new page made on the bases of MOS:TVUPCOMING? Based on info that was copied from wikia/ fandom. On this page or article if there is no refs/ sources saying a new season was renewed yet. But only the theme songs were vaguely announced that came from wikia/ fandom. Which I asked at this WikiProject. Tainted-wingsz (talk) 10:36, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Just earlier ago the theme songs you mentioned, I had a google search to and, which is from 'wikia/ fandom' but to this has said otherwise. But was it too soon for  to make Black Clover (season 3)? If there isn't something close to meeting MOS:TVUPCOMING. As I been trying to read further there, shouldn't Rahmadiabsyah would of waited until refs has stated that the anime is moving from one season to the next? Unblue box (talk) 15:35, 29 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Well? The theme song problem is dealt with. Tainted-wingsz (talk) 16:12, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * That and what I meant was, before the WP:SPLIT happened. It would of happened today but not yesterday. (Without the ref that I showed.) By looking at the edit logs. Unblue box (talk) 18:04, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * You meant like, if a magazine was released and it had info about the tv show. But it's digital version did not have the same info as the print version? At a shop/ book store. Tainted-wingsz (talk) 18:20, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing sometimes it does? Unless it varies by country. Unblue box (talk) 18:33, 29 September 2019 (UTC)