Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 August 10

= August 10 =

Use of acronyms in quotation marks
Could anyone please tell me if it's all right to use acronyms in quotation marks ("...the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, or 'NASA'"), or should the acronym just be in parentheses, lacking quotation marks or the conjunction "or" after the full name?

(Edit: Added ellipsis and non-breaking space at beginning of quote.)

(Second edit: Removed extra space accidentally added in previous edit, sorry about that.)

(Third edit: Placed edit notes on different lines.)

(Fourth edit: Sorry if I added an extra space between my original post here and the reply. If it was the replier, then nothing against him, since it was his reply; it's just that I would hate to even slightly alter somebody else's reply.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 04:24, 10 August 2020 (UTC)


 * No. It should be something like (full sentence to avoid further quote mark confusion): "He worked at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA)." Clarityfiend (talk) 05:34, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Sorry about the quotation mark confusion.(Edit: Added reply template, sorry not to do that earlier.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 12:02, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Could you please tell me if you usually put a space between your replies on the talk page? I fear I may have accidentally added one between my original post here and your reply. Sorry about that.--Thylacine24 (talk) 12:26, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean by "a space between your replies". However, it is generally not considered a good idea to alter your text after you've received a response. It makes things harder to follow. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:44, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I should have written "a space between my first post here and your first response." Sorry about that. Anyway, I've done that plenty of times in the past, but I'll try to stop now. Of course, there's also the possibility that I might get a response just as I'm editing it when I don't think anyone's responded yet. Also, could you please tell me if I should add more replies in lieu of edits to the original, to make myself clear and/or apologize about something?--Thylacine24 (talk) 18:23, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

List of people who died climbing Mount Everest table in Android app
The wikitable in the "Fatalities" section List of people who died climbing Mount Everest article is not showing correctly in the Android app (OnePlus 7 Pro), but displays fine if I open it in Chrome on the same phone. I'm not sure if this is an issue with the app or the formatting of the table itself, but if anyone knows of a solution, it would be greatly appreciated. TheMrP (talk) 06:35, 10 August 2020 (UTC)


 * you may get a quicker answer for this if you ask at Village pump (technical).  Seagull123  Φ  12:50, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * See T203293 * Pppery * it has begun... 13:42, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

MY NAME AND DETAILS DOES NOT APPEAR WIKIPEDIA
Dear Sir/ Madam, I have registered all my details on wikipedia but anytime i try to type my name on Google or in the search engine,my details does not come up.Please can i get some assistant ? Thank you. Lawrence Lartey. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:3B2:8A00:8953:E546:FB38:A052 (talk) 08:04, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Your IP address has no other edits and Lawrence Lartey works fine. I guess you are User:Ojekooradio and refer to User:Ojekooradio/sandbox. It's an unsubmitted userspace draft and not indexed by search engines. See Autobiography and Help:Your first article. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * And please also note that we have no control over when Google displays it's Google Knowledge Graph. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:14, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 10:17, 10 August 2020 Salvio giuliano talk contribs blocked Ojekooradio talk contribs with an expiration time of indefinite (account creation blocked) . So that will take a while. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:22, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Account User
How can i identify the successor of my old account?

Where Do I need to add these > ("I am User2, I previously used User1") — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.81.193.6 (talk) 10:15, 10 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Best place is the user page of each account. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:17, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That is, if you changed from  to , you would write:
 * at the new user page (named User:NewUserName).
 * You could additionally write:
 * at the old user page (named User:OldUserName).
 * (It seems there should be an equivalent template for the new account, but I can't find it. Anyone?) —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 22:54, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * at the old user page (named User:OldUserName).
 * (It seems there should be an equivalent template for the new account, but I can't find it. Anyone?) —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 22:54, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Downloading a table
I want to download the table on the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants to excel. How can I do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.66.210.227 (talk) 10:51, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I assume you mean one of the tables at List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants. AFAIK there is no simple way of doing this, or at least not easy unless you have a database server that is capable of importing Wikisyntax-Tables. Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:15, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You can just select the table and copy it to excel. Danski454 (talk) 11:55, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Excel can also import data from web pages in a number of ways – see the Data menu and Excel help. It's changed since the last time I used it, so I can't give you a more detailed answer. You might get one at WP:RD/C. —[  Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 23:00, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Deleting pages
I have been collecting various links in order to write some articles at a later date. There are many duplicate pages though, I cannot figure out how to delete a page or book.

James — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasbflower (talk • contribs) 16:08, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If you created the pages you can add to the top to have an admin delete them. Otherwise, you may want to read Guide to deletion, and use one of the processes listed there. Danski454 (talk) 18:41, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Donations
I would like to donate to Wikipedia but do not wish to give my PAN No. Nowhere anybody asks for this in India. Since I am making payment through bank, who know my source of income as well as PAN No. etc, why should I give it again on a public platform? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.99.4.251 (talk) 18:00, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * This page lists several ways you can donate: . There is also an e-mail address there where you can ask for futher help or report problems.  RudolfRed (talk) 18:59, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

I m reporting wrong permotion on Wikipedia
https://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF:BK_Dokwal

He is my grandfather i request uou to give him proper dignity that he deserves — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.50.163.57 (talk) 18:00, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * This is the help desk for English Wikipedia. We have no control over the content of Wikipedia in other languages. You can try asking for assistance at Hindi Wikipedia. Danski454 (talk) 18:45, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Accessing Wikidata
Data held at Wikidata may be accessed by various means, such as But where is the documentation for  and related constructs? On Wikipedia (it's certainly not at H:MW), Wikidata, Meta or MediaWiki? -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 19:02, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * d:Wikidata:How to use data on Wikimedia projects is one place. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:05, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. However, it doesn't suggest that any formatting options are available, so it doesn't help with the problem that I'm really trying to solve, which is how to suppress the two layers of tags that   always seems to wrap its output in. Taking my   example from above (since it illustrates it quite well), this emits   - is there any way of stripping those? If there is, it would be useful for Help talk:Template -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 19:31, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe you need to use  (documented very sparsely at d:Wikidata:How to use data on Wikimedia projects) instead if you want the raw value. * Pppery * it has begun...  20:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You could use something like, which outputs  with no formatting. Danski454 (talk) 20:18, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Cronyism
Hi there,

I read Cronyism and found that Nepal is missing in the Asian countries' list. I am a native (citizen) of Nepal. Nepal has always been one of the most corrupt country in the world before (during rana & shah dynasty) and after the restoration of democracy.

It is also worth noting that Nepotism is on rise in recent years -- Nepalese politicians have been proudly practicing nepotism since so long. Becasue of that majority of intellectuals and students are leaving Nepal since they do not see their future in Nepal -- one of the most corrupt third world country.

Therefore, please enlist Nepal for Cronyism and Nepotism.

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:81:4000:D5F0:2054:89E7:AF7D:F46A (talk) 21:35, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That may very well be the case, but are there any reliable, independent sources that support your claim? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  22:03, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If so, you can discuss your desired changes with other editors interested in those topics at Talk:Cronyism and Talk:Nepotism. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 23:05, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The only Asian list in Cronyism is in Political corruption sidebar. The sidebar is displayed in many articles and links to other related articles. We currently have no aRticle about corruption in Nepal. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:21, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

request edit
I attempted to edit info on a page that created a security risk for a federal judge (I am an employee for that Court). The info was promptly changed back. I attempted to request the edit through the "talk" feature on the page, which went ignored. The info is the date and place of birth, which is not widely published or relevant. How can I address this issue? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.66.158.250 (talk) 22:25, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, IP user. I have removed the birthdate from Mary J. Schoelen, according to WP:BLPPRIVACY. I suspect that what happened is that saw that an unregistered editor had removed information from the article without any edit summary explaining why, and thought that it was vandalism, though that is only a guess. Please note that, as an employee of the court, you are regarded by Wikipedia as being a paid editor, and must make a declaration to that effect - see the link for the details. This will require you to register an account (as only registered accounts have user pages). The account must be personal to you - shared accounts are not permitted -  but you are not required to use your real name. You mustn't use a name which suggests that the account represents the court, though: it is your personal account. For any further changes you want to make to that article, or any other connected with your employment, you should make an edit request on the talk page of the article in question. You sort of did that, but you did it on your user talk page, User talk:173.66.158.250, instead of on the article's talk page Talk:Mary J. Schoelen. If you add the template Edit request to your request, it will get put on a list of waiting requests. --ColinFine (talk) 22:49, 10 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, IP user. Another option is to send a request to OTRS, by sending an email to This will accomplish two goals. First, you won't have to register as a paid editor. Second, based upon the nature of your request, you would like to keep it as private as possible and posting it publicly as a requested edit, anyone can see it, somewhat defeating the purpose. In contrast, emails sent to OTRS go to a small group of agents who have signed confidentiality agreements not to share the information. Request for removal of birthdates is a common request at OTRS. I personally handled quite a few such requests.-- S Philbrick  (Talk)  18:57, 11 August 2020 (UTC)