Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 August 15

= August 15 =

Donald Harris Date Of U.S. Citizenship
When and why did Wikipedia take down the date, or lack thereof, of Donald Harris obtaining formal citizenship in the United States? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C52:7900:1126:4CE:C62E:C166:1496 (talk) 00:42, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If this is about the article Donald J. Harris, please see Talk:Donald J. Harris. If the question is not already answered, ask there. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 01:21, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * In which article, the Kamala Harris article or the Donald J. Harris article? I'm having trouble seeing when and where the dates were present, which would suggest that they weren't there for long.
 * If the information was in Kamala Harris, that's probably because the dates would only be relevant for racist and stupid (even by the standards of racism) conspiracy theory accusing her of being an Anchor baby with the implication that anchor babies somehow aren't really born in the United States.
 * If the information was in Donald J. Harris, the information was probably unsourced. Ian.thomson (talk) 01:22, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathy_Valentine
Changes reverted because they weren't considered "constructive"? Even though I provided corrected information about a person's birth name, parents, etc.? Oh well. I guess it's not really open for discussion. This is why I won't let my students cite Wikipedia as a source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.46.90.88 (talk) 01:19, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Correct according to whom? You did not cite a reliable source. If you have such a source, please discuss it with the reverting editor,, at Talk:Kathy Valentine. This is how things work here (see WP:BRD). —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 01:24, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You not only changed her birth name from "Valentine" to "Wheeler", you attributed this information to a source (admittedly, an unreliable source) which clearly gives her birth name as "Valentine". Maproom (talk) 08:29, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Guy Nattiv photos and information.
To whom it may concern, My name is Guy Nattiv. I am an American Academy Award winning writer and director. My short film, "Skin", won the 2019 Oscar for Best Live Action Short Film. I directed four acclaimed feature films, including the feature version of "Skin", which had its world premiere at the 2018 Toronto International Film Festival. Recently, I was trying to update info and add photos that are copyright free to my page. I was also trying to update my Biography but unfortunately I was blocked. I need help to update my personal Wiki page with photos that I own. Thank you for your help, Best Guy Nattiv — Preceding unsigned comment added by גיא נתיב (talk • contribs) 02:13, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Please take a thorough look at Autobiography. The subjects of biography articles are strongly discouraged from editing the articles themselves because Wikipedia strives to maintain a neutral point of view. If you have specific problems with the accuracy or coverage of the article, you may point them out on the talk page of the article about you providing references to reliable third-party sources—that is, works written by journalists or scholars published in reputable publications run independently of your associations.
 * Regarding copyright, you indeed appear to have uploaded pictures of you photographed by other people. As a professional artist yourself, you must know that the copyright of photographs, even portraits, belongs to the photographer, not the subject, in most jurisdictions (otherwise Jamie Bell should own your movie). So if you want to upload a picture of you that you own the copyright of, or that the photographer has given permission to release under a free license, you must demonstrate such a fact by sending the relevant information to the OTRS volunteer team. Note that in most circumstances Wikipedia only accepts pictures of living people that have been released under a license that allows others to freely copy, redistribute, modify, and sell them, so you must prove to the volunteer team that you or whoever owns the copyright of the picture(s) have agreed to such terms. Nardog (talk) 04:22, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Split an inputed argument into two arguments
Can any one help me solve a technical issue at SelAnnivAbbr? The template is only used in Born and died list/sandbox. I am trying to accommodate a situation that occurs at Selected anniversaries/August 29 (look next to Ingrid Bergman). Basically, I am trying to make it possible to feed in an argument  into Born and died list/sandbox. I want the bar character to be ignored and passed-thru in the first layer (Born and died list/sandbox) but for the second layer (SelAnnivAbbr) I want it to interpreted as two different arguments equal to and. --- C &amp; C ( Coffeeandcrumbs ) 02:58, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , fyi, you should try WP:VPT Ed  talk!  03:04, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , thanks, I will copy there. --- C &amp; C ( Coffeeandcrumbs ) 03:06, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Talk page deletion
Not new to editing here or anything, but I'm not the best at knowing how/where to get certain pages deleted- as well as what can/cannot be deleted or nominated for deletion. I'm looking for Talk:2020 Kids' Choice Sports to be deleted- an IP created the page with just, "August 8, 2020"- and then blanked it. No need for this talk page, as there is no article for it at 2020 Kids' Choice Sports, as Nickelodeon has never announced anything in regards to that awards show airing this year (and is especially unlikely due to COVID...). I also reverted their bogus addition to Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards. Thanks in advance. Magitroopa (talk) 05:55, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I tagged it with CSD G8. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 06:18, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Truganini
The picture on the wikipedia page is not Truganini. This is a photograph of a woman known as Wapperty taken by Hobart photographer Charles Woolley at the same time as photographs of Truganini. Wapperty is an important woman in her own right, the last surviving daughter of Mannalargenna and it is an insult to all Aboriginal people of Tasmania that wikipedia does not bother to distinguish one Aboriginal woman from another. There are several excellent photographs of Truganini. This is not her. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.2.135.166 (talk) 06:16, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * This is about File:B(1871)_p187_TASMANIA,_THE_LAST_OF_THE_ABORIGINALS_(LADY).jpg, an image stored, and possibly mis-identified, at Wikimedia Commons. The best place to discuss this might be the Commons help desk. Maproom (talk) 08:35, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

new page submission
hi, I made a new page for St Anne Stanley church in Liverpool 2 weeks ago and clicked publish page. I can't see the page yet. How long does it take to go live? Thanks :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cheadle13 (talk • contribs) 09:08, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If you are referring to the content of your sandbox, you have not formally submitted it for review. "Publish changes" should be understood to simply mean "save changes", it does not mean "publish this to the encyclopedia".  I will shortly add the appropriate information to allow you to submit it, but you should not submit it at this time, as it would be rejected quickly.  This is because you have no independent reliable sources with significant coverage to support the content of your draft. Please read Your First Article for more information. 331dot (talk) 09:20, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, what you created is a draft in your sandbox. It will need to be submitted for review (which can currently take up to 8 weeks or more). You can do so by placing  at the top of the markup. However, if you were to do so now it is likely that the draft would be declined as it lacks referencing. Wikipedia will require sourcing to establish notability; please see that page for more information together with WP:NBUILDING. Would also recommend a review of the guide to article creation and the manual of style. Might also suggest looking at pages on similar subjects to see how they are laid out and structured. I will also leave some useful links at your talk page. Please note that pages are not indexed by search engines for 90 days or until they have been patrolled, whichever is the shorter period.  Thank you.

Jai Shree Ram
Hello Wikilikes,

Jai Shree Ram is not war cry. update your page. Jai Shree Ram is 'hail God Ram'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.51.235.231 (talk) 10:19, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, please discuss the matter at the article talk page; the varying use of the phrase seems adequately explained within the article. Any ultimate changes will need reliable sources for corroboration. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 10:29, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

South Africa
I like to know about things that happened I my country — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.114.219.84 (talk) 13:50, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Start by clicking in this South Africa link and reading that article. From there, you can click on the various blue links in that article to go to additional articles. It's a big subject, so take your time. -Arch dude (talk) 15:28, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

List of 2020-21 NBA Transactions Article
Can you fix 2 of the references i made please. 68.102.42.216 (talk) 14:00, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Please try to provide more information when asking for help. At Draft:List of 2020–21 NBA Transactions, ref 3 had a newline in the middle of the date parameter. I removed it, as well as some stray periods. Both Mike Miller and Jeff Bower were linked to disambiguation pages (I pointed them to the correct articles). What was the other reference problem you mentioned? —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 22:12, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Map push pin size
I am having trouble reducing the size of the push pin Wisconsin map size for Statue of John Plankinton. Can someone reduce the size by about half so the infobox fits nicely into the article. Thanks. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:21, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Did this edit make it better? If you reduce the map size too much, the pushpin label doesn't fit comfortably within the map. Deor (talk) 20:35, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, great. I went to 175 and that appears to be alright and it fits nicely in article space. Thanks for help.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:43, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Breck Girl 1977
I was the very last BRECK GIRL. I am from Whitehouse station, I was a model and did covers and runway including commercials. Could you please add me to famous people? I was with Eileen Ford, Wilhelminia and modeled for 7 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.53.156.195 (talk) 14:47, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Each member of the list in the Whitehouse Station, New Jersey article must have a Wikipedia article. If you are notable by our definition (see WP:N), we can add an article for you and then add that article to the list. -Arch dude (talk) 16:42, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

my name is John Pappas and you say I have no page. well type my name on Google and my Wikipedia page comes up. I gave a donation to you yesterday. I have donated many times. I'd to clear this up.
hi my name is John Pappas. I just saw the subject headline above and I realize now that I never got a response to that subject/headline. now my issue is something else. yesterday I made some changes to my page or article in an attempt to clean up some of the language I used in the past and to edit some of the existing items on my wikipedia article. one of your contributors, Eagles 24/7 is the name, is now claiming that my edit wasn't contributing to my article. he claimed a LA Times newspaper article was a mention and not a valid contribution. that article was a full review of my play Increments Of Three, from years ago. it seemed like it had been edited somehow by someone and I don't have any idea who. another article was a review of my play Tribe Of Judah, which also was a full review and now wikipedia says it doesn't exist. well it did exist, what happened to it? there are other items listed that wikipedia claim "does not exist" and they are also untrue. Don McClean "American Pie" artist song doesn't exist, "News Radio" a well known sit-com? doesn't exist and "What's Happening Now" an additional carry over version of the original sit-com "What's Happening" also does not exist. this is wrong.

your contributor Eagles 24/7 is attempting to bump me off wikipedia so he can replace me with an obsolete football player with my name. is that how this works? a contributor who has a enthusiastic pension for football, even calls himself Eagles 24/7 and keeps tabs of college football can attempt to bump off a living actor and playwright so he can replace me with a deceased football player with my name. or maybe the fact that I'm born in Oakland California, home of the Oakland Raiders is another contributing factor in his possible resentment of an actor/playwright having a place in Wikipedia.

John Pappas — Preceding unsigned comment added by John Pappas (talk • contribs) 16:16, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * The correct place for you to discuss this is at Articles for deletion/John Pappas (2nd nomination). If you wish to successfully oppose the deletion, I strongly recommend that you restrict yourself to the substance of the article. The points you made here will prejudice other editors against you. The volunteers here do not know or care about your donations, and attacking the motivation of another editor is a bad idea (see WP:AGF). The fact that you are the main contributor to the article also works against you. See WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. You should not edit that article directly: see WP:COI. To save the John Pappas article, you must find some useful reliable sources that show your notability. I recommend that you read Common sourcing mistakes (notability). -Arch dude (talk) 16:58, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello Mr. Pappas. I believe the discussion you're looking for is here: Articles_for_deletion/John_Pappas_(2nd_nomination) which is for the proposal to delete the article John Pappas. You can contribute to the discussion to oppose the article being deleted but I recommend to read these articles first to prepare: Deletion_policy Conflict of interest and Notability. -- occono (talk) 16:59, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * you are also correct that Wikipedia does not have pages for the incorrectly-spelled or formatted Don McClean, or “American Pie” or 'News Radio. An editor named "John Pappas" appears to have entered these names incorrectly and then did not check the work. Instead, we have pages for Don McLean and American Pie and News Radio. -Arch dude (talk) 17:31, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , I think you meant to link to NewsRadio, though I could be wrong. :-) YorkshireLad  ✿  (talk) 18:04, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Tangentially, it's an unfortunate problem that if you search for "Foo Bar" (with the quotes to force the exact phrase match), and then click on the link in You may create the page "", ..., it creates the page the quotes in the title. Anyone know if this has been reported as undesirable, since it's almost never correct? —[  Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 22:29, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Signature
When I type 4 tildes after my comment on a Wikipedia Talk page my signature is added properly, but a bot always adds that "Preceding unsigned comment added by..." I wonder how I can prevent that from happening...Taquim 16:59, 15 August 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taquim (talk • contribs)
 * Try adding it like this:  --~  -- occono (talk) 17:01, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Also,, if you've modified your signature to remove the links to your user pages the bot will fill it in. Ed  talk!  17:03, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, got it thank you. By just writing my name in the signature box in Preferences and unchecking the box below it, it works fine. Taquim (talk) 17:24, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

How to edit articles that do NOT have a standard, normal "edit' link?
Hello,

How can minor clarifications, corrections be made to subject descriptions in articles that do NOT have standard, normal "edit" links. Not sure how to proceed (?).

On the Wikipedia contact page it states "You can also email the Wikipedia Volunteer Response Team at info-en-o@wikimedia.org, although we may not be able to assist with all suggestions." HOWEVER, "info-en-o@wikimedia.org" link is useless since it simply returns me back to the original contact page, as a reiterative loop (?)

Thanks for any help or suggestions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NoSnowFlake (talk • contribs) 17:28, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi NoSnowFlake, firstly, please sign all posts on talk pages with 4 tildes ( ~ ) which will add your signature and a timestamp I suspect the page you are having trouble with may be semi-protected, to stop unregistered and very new editors editing it as a way to reduce vandalism. Which specific page are you having trouble with? - Arjayay (talk) 17:32, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , FYI,  is an email address where you can send queries. Ed   talk!  17:58, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If the page is protected, you can request a specific change by adding a new section to the article's talk page (just like you did here), including (click that link for details and example). —[  Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 22:37, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * (Oops. Pinging .) —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 22:38, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Red links on English wiki while article exists on Italian wiki
Hi there,

I have a question regarding the jazz album “The Rotterdam Session” which is red linked in the Clifford Jordan Chronology ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Ballads ) as well as the Philly Joe Jones Chronology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Look_Stop_Listen ). This page does exist on the Italilan wiki (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rotterdam_Session ) and it would be fitting to have it in English as well. What would be wisdom here and is there some kind of “simple conversion process”? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amor68 (talk • contribs) 17:47, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The Italian article appears to contain no references, so in that form would not meet the requirements of the English Wikipedia. Please read enwiki's definition of notability.  You can find advice at WP:Translation. David Biddulph (talk) 18:03, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * However, you could use an inter-language link. It would still be a redlink, but with a link to the Italian article.  For example,   renders as: The Rotterdam Session

Related
Is there some way to have the inter-language link render not in code? For example, "Italian" instead of "it"? --107.15.157.44 (talk) 02:31, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * No, but there are other, non-recommended ways:  renders as Italian:The Rotterdam Session; or slightly less obviously,   becomes it:The Rotterdam Session, but the ill crew will doubtless change it to an approved format. I gave up some time ago. MinorProphet (talk) 16:38, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Cancelation of Classmates
I joined a few months ago but haven't had and do not want to continue my subscription to classmates. Who do I contact to have a payment on 8/12/20 returned to me as well as to cancel further automatic payments to my credit card? Thanking you in advance for your information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:9000:7903:DB2F:469:1F45:C778:1F92 (talk) 19:27, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello. This is the Help desk for Wikipedia, and answers questions about editing Wikipedia. We cannot help with anything else. I'm guessing this is about classmates.com, (which I've never heard of)? It looks as if you can get help at https://help.classmates.com/hc/en-us . --ColinFine (talk) 19:40, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Die Hard Citations
Can someone help me with the references in the article Die Hard? These are visible in edit mode if you click on the "References" heading but I cannot figure out how to make them visible to the reader. Thanks so much. Twofingered Typist (talk) 21:28, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I see 166 references in the article Die Hard. Which references are you having problems with? J I P  &#124; Talk 21:53, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I see them too. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 22:46, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , I must concur with JIP and Alan here; I'm not seeing anything wrong with the references in "read mode". Maybe it's a caching issue on your end? — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 )  22:49, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I also see the 166 references. I'm referring to the citations. If you click on "References", in edit mode you can see them beginning with "refname=ActionBF1" etc... There are dozens of them. These are "invisible" in read mode, and I cannot figure out how to fix this. Thanks for your assistance! Twofingered Typist (talk) 13:12, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Unless I am completely misreading your question; you won't see these when viewing the rendered page, it works in the same way as the tags and the template. Eagleash (talk) 13:38, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


 * You're right. I'm having a brain spasm [ :) ] . I see what's going on. Sorry to bother everyone! Twofingered Typist (talk) 13:48, 16 August 2020 (UTC)