Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 August 23

= August 23 =

correct misinformation in wikipedia on La Dame aux Camélias.
This sentence is flawed & incorrect:  "Some scholars believe that both the fictional Marguerite's illness and real life Duplessis's publicized cause of death, "consumption", was a 19th-century euphemism for tuberculosis, as opposed to the more common meaning of tuberculosis". The sentence should replaced by:  "When the story was incorporated into La Traviata by Giuseppe Verde,  he named his opera 'La Traviata' or 'The lady who was led astray' since Tuberculosis or consumption as it was commonly known in 1850 and later was felt by many people to be a result of sinful behavior, ascribed to Marguerite's life as a courtesan."

Background. You don't have to be a scholar to use the term "consumption". This was the term used by everyone to describe tuberculosis for 2000 years (or phthisis) and in the 19th century & is still used today in historical discussions. "Consumption" was & is a lay term for TB. More important, the story of Marguerite was put to music in Verdi's "La Traviata" opera in Italy, which is widely known. Infrequently acknowledged, however, is that 'La Traviata'  in Italian means 'a lady who has gone or was led astray'   This is important as in 1850 Italy where La Traviata was written, the infectious cause of TB was not yet proven. Although, TB was legally felt to be contagious in 1725 Naples, for example, it was widely believed in 1850 that consumption was a punishment or the result of sinful behavior, thus  "La Traviata"    It was only in the 1860's that  Villemin in France demonstrated that it was a transmissible disease & in the 1882'  the Germ257an doctor Robert Koch proved it was due to an acid fast bacillus, later called the tuberculous bacillus (1). Verdi knew what he was doing, but American audiences rarely know this very important part of history on which Verdi's view of her illness is founded. Yossef Aelony, MD. Clinical Professor of Pulmonary Disease,  Harbor UCLA Tuberculosis Clinician for the city of Long Beach257, California

Reference: 1. Textbook of Pulmonary Disease, Baum et al. 1974, p257. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaelony (talk • contribs) 00:39, 23 August 2020 (UTC)


 * When you see soemthing wrong in a article, fix it, and provide references. See WP:SOFIXIT. If you are uncomfortable editing the article, or if you think discussion is needed prior to an edit, add your commentary in the article's talk page and request that another editor fix the article. Add the magical incantation request edit to your talk page discussion to attract the attention of an editor interested in such things. -Arch dude (talk) 01:27, 23 August 2020 (UTC)


 * The clause "'consumption', was a 19th-century euphemism for tuberculosis, as opposed to the more common meaning of tuberculosis" is obviously wrong. When I first read it, I mentally substituted "syphilis" for the first occurrence of "tuberculosis". And indeed, I find that in an earlier version of the article, it read "'consumption', was a 19th-century euphemism for syphilis." Maproom (talk) 06:14, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Adding item to a list
I want to add a name to the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_artists

I have just finished editing a page about Reinis Zusters, Australian Artist, who was my father. He does not appear in the Australian Artists list. How do I add his name and link to this list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zubster23 (talk • contribs) 07:06, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Go to the artist list page and edit the 'Z' section to include the name. Use a similar format as the entries already included. However, as you have a connection to the subject of the artist page, you should read WP:COI and make the necessary declarations. This is not a reflection upon you but just one of the ways that Wikipedia tries to ensure neutrality. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 07:21, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

trying to add source link to added information but bot removes it
i added some information to the media portrayal section of a page and included the only source i could find that has the information (its a xxxx.fandom site) but a bot just removes it (the website wasn't listed in the blacklist page that i checked in the information link i got in the report) is there a problem or are the people who manage Wikipedia just that incompetent that they allow a source to be blocked, even if that page is the only available source for the added information or is there a way to add the source information citation thing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Langaz77 (talk • contribs) 07:46, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * *.fandom.com is not regarded as a reliable source and therefore should not be used in most cases, especially if the article is about a living person. Victor Schmidt (talk) 09:29, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

obviously someone didn't read my question properly or they're just blind, i am not adding the source for a real person, i was trying to add the source of information about the fictional character that is based off the the real person, since there is no 'official' website for the fictional character, kindly actually read my question properly instead of just rambling — Preceding unsigned comment added by Langaz77 (talk • contribs) 09:58, 23 August 2020 (UTC)


 * , if information is not in a reliable published source, it doesn't go into a Wikipedia article, period. Please see Verifiability, one of our core principles. --ColinFine (talk) 11:52, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Some of us may be blind and / or incompetent, but you're not supposed to point it out! Did you read the message at your talk page re the link you were trying to add? Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 13:31, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Mistake on the most viewed online video in the first 24 hours
Hello, someone needs to update the informations about the most viewed online video in the first 24 hours because it's now "Dynamite" by BTS with 101,1 million views. Here is a link to a reliable article : https://n.news.naver.com/entertain/article/311/0001191589 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E0A:43A:8A30:5169:3175:8C7A:CA95 (talk) 11:52, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, that 'someone' can be you... any person can learn how to edit Wikipedia; it does not have a 'panel' of editors. If you do not feel able to make the change yourself, please propose it at the article talk page (provide your source). Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 13:03, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

A reference originating in an Infobox does not go to the linked website
In the Infobox for the Oodnadatta Track article, against the centre heading "Location(s)", is "Far North" followed by a footnote number that links to reference number 1.

Clicking on reference number 1 under the "References" heading should take me to the website containing the map of the Far North region. However, all it does is reload the article (Oodnadatta Track) page.

I thought that there could be a problem with the short-form reference at the time and corrected that, but to no avail. In the process I went directly to the web page cited in the URL – it was correct.

I'd appreciate advice on how to fix this. Cheers, Simon – SCHolar44 🇦🇺 &#128172; at 12:48, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Seems to work OK for me. 'Just in case', are you clicking on the actual blue link in the refs section, not just the No. or the tiny blue arrow? All else being equal what browser are you using and / or are you in desktop or mobile mode or trying to read whilst in visual editor? Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 12:59, 23 August 2020 (UTC)


 * [Sound of head banging on desk] Aha! The link initiates a download, as zillions of other links do, and doesn't take me to the web page (which I had to go to in the course of getting details of the site for the full citation). And my downloads folder has 8 maps in it ....


 * So why was I so thick? I blame the urge to send off my help request just before I went off to bed -- and the closer to bedtime I get, the thicker I become. Thank you, Eagleash! Cheers, Simon – SCHolar44 🇦🇺 &#128172; at 23:47, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Update request
Please go on meta:Requests for new languages and change to created the Wikipedia Ladin on the approved section. Thank you in advance!!! --151.49.93.113 (talk) 12:50, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * IP user, you also posted this at Village_pump_(miscellaneous), where it has been answered. Please do not post the same question in multiple locations. TSventon (talk) 15:49, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Questions about a table
There is a table in the article on the radio programme Great Lives that needs updating (see the talk page on this article). I would do this, but I am now sure how to go about splitting tables. Vorbee (talk) 15:34, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I split the tables into two. There's no indication that the latest series is named series 51, so I just put in the date range instead, for now. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  18:48, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

1111
Can you make Wikipedia page for me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.200.102.232 (talk) 15:36, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If you're notable enough, an uninvolved editor might be interested in creating an article. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  15:57, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Skeptical about edit
I'm more than a bit skeptical about this edit. This was the user's first, and so far only, edit. They didn't cite any sources. Googling for "Kiuruvesi Cessna Sandels" yields nothing but this Wikipedia article and pages about the Kiuruvesi Airfield that don't mention the incident. The user has only been on Wikipedia for less than a week and the event summary "nopeen muutin kielioppia" means in Finnish "I quickly changed the grammar" when they didn't make any grammar changes at all. Am I right in determining this was pure vandalism? J I P &#124; Talk 23:32, 23 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello JIP, it seems to me to be vandalism or the work of someone on, er, substances -- which is the only way I can explain the stupidities of some people.


 * I recommend you click the "Show history" tab, then click on the vandal's change and the one before it and click "Compare selected revisions". On the comparison page you'll see in blue, on the right-hand side: "Latest revision as of [time and date] (edit) (undo)". Click on "Undo" and give as your reason in the Edit summary, "Unsourced". You might like to keep an eye on this person to see whether this was a one-off or whether further action (WP:VANDAL) is needed. Cheers, Simon – SCHolar44 🇦🇺 &#128172;  at 00:02, 24 August 2020 (UTC)