Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 December 16

= December 16 =

Lost my draft in a sandbox
Hello. I worked on a draft to supplement the current Edward Jump article. I have quite a bit of new information, with citations. I used one of my sandboxes, but now I can't find my draft. Can somebody in authority kindly look through my sandboxes and retrieve my draft for me. Thank you. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 01:33, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * So, sometime between 2006 and now, you last edited your draft, titled "User:BeenAroundAWhile/Sandbox"? Any idea when that last edit happened?--Quisqualis (talk) 02:28, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * A userspace search of "Edward Jump" [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=%22Edward+Jump%22&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%7D&ns2=1] finds User:BeenAroundAWhile/sandbox9. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:35, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Hey BeenAroundAWhile. Please note that when you are at your contributions page, you should see a link at the bottom of the page for "Sandbox". That links to Special:PrefixIndex, with your user name filled-in automatically and the search restricted to the user namespace -- which returns the above sandbox, among your other subpages. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:39, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

references displaying in page footer not in "References" section
I'm trying to improve this entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Matthias

I do not understand why the citation I added falls below the Authority Control box. How do I fix this so that further citations are included in the "References" block?

Jaireeodell (talk) 01:41, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * You have to put the "Reflist" tag (in brackets) where you want the refs to go. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 01:47, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Underneath the "References" header. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 01:49, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Maximum number of references rendered?
It was brought to my attention that out of the 652 references currently in Israel, only 402 are displaying in the references section. Does anyone know why that is? ◢  Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 02:42, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Looking at the "References" section, the Reflist template has a group parameter that's only showing references in the "fn" group. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 02:51, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Seems to have occurred at or just prior to this edit by script.--Quisqualis (talk) 02:57, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't suppose there's a way to undo just the script with so many edits in between, huh. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 03:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yup, it was that script edit that broke it. Someone put an access-date in a hidden comment, which confused the script and caused it to delete a paragraph. I've also added a footnote section, which I think was intended by the .  ◢  Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 03:14, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

That certain "connected contributor" template
On occasion, I've encountered a template at the top of an article which states something to the effect that "a major contributor to the article may have a connection to the article's subject". I need the template and a link to the page with other top-of-article templates. (They are impossible to locate when I need one.)--Quisqualis (talk) 07:59, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Connected contributor is for talk pages. COI is for articles. See a lot more at Template index/Cleanup and Template index/Maintenance. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:23, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Quoting paragraph
I am considering quoting an entire paragraph to aid explanation of a article I am creating. What are the rules on quoting paragraphs? paraorthomodular (talk) 08:12, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * See MOS:QUOTE and WP:COPYQUOTE. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:27, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Update on WMF GoFundMe donations page
Although off-topic, this is just to update anyone interested in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2020_December_11#Extra_Charge_TO_BE_REMOVED_. this recent post (now archived)] as to whether a WMF Donations page on the GoFundMe platform was legitimate or not. I can advise that WMF Donor Services have emailed me to confirm it is legitimate, despite the absence of any mention on the main WMF Donations page. They wrote: "Our Legal team have looked into it and we are happy to confirm the link, created via the PayPal Giving Fund and GuideStar, is actually legitimate. We are most appreciative of you for reaching out to us about this matter." So there you have it. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:26, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Where is the list of Hypocorism?
I want to find an list article about hypocorism, such as bob for Robert. But I can't. Where is it?--Reiro (talk) 11:56, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * There's a category of hypocorisms, which includes many examples. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 12:10, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I would say that Bob for Robert is more of a nickname than a hypocorism, for which we have a Category:Nicknames.--Shantavira|feed me 12:17, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Hypocorism used to have the info. See the older revisions, such as this one [].  There were related discussions on the talk page to remove the info. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  19:29, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Including template parameters in a math block
When I try to place a template parameter within &lt;math> tags, it doesn&rsquo;t seem to do the parameter substitution. Is there any workaround? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DBoffey (talk • contribs) 12:58, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Don't use math tags? I'm not sure why you want templates inside them but changing  to  may work for your purpose. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:09, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , what are you trying to do? The math tags are intended to be used with LaTeX, not wiki markup. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 23:11, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * There are a very few templates like Integrate which use the  I mentioned. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:51, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. I was trying to produce a template for the Schl&auml;fli figure for a quasiregular polyhedra ( $$\left\{\begin{array}{c}\\\end{array}\right\}$$, where the top & bottom figures are the parameters suppled.. DBoffey (talk) 16:42, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Real name of minor
Hello. I stumbled upon a recently create userpage of someone who is 10 years old and lists their real name. I read through the advice for younger editors, but it wasn't quite clear on what I should do. Should I just leave them be, should I warn them about the dangers and refer them to the guidelines, or should this be removed for safety reasons? Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 17:02, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * If I were you I'd warn them about the dangers, refer them to the guidelines, and let them know that if they would like, it can be revision-deleted or oversighted. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 17:09, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you very much. Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 17:20, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I would suggest IRC or email as described at WP:OVERSIGHT to avoid any further attention (even if it gets removed later). —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 19:19, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , the problem edit has already been suppressed. Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 19:30, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Noor Allattar Article
Hello sir i have made the article with the name of noor allattar which I am not able to publish it. Can you kindly provide me a way to publish it ( bring it on main Wikipedia page)?. can you kindly help me to improve this to avoid the speedy deletion? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Aliraqiiq/sandbox) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aliraqiiq (talk • contribs) 18:08, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I have moved it to Draft:Noor Allatar for you to work on it further. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  18:30, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I will also recommend that you improve the sourcing. The article will not be approved if it is solely based on social media sites.  See WP:RS and WP:GNG. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  19:24, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * it is not solely based on the social media sites but there has been references of the work and there are other webistes which have been used as source of reference. still, it would not be approved . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aliraqiiq (talk • contribs) 23:55, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikilinks and plurals?
I was just looking at this diff and noticed the use of  there to exclude the "s" from a plural hyperlink. Is this correct? The diff uses "written representation s" instead of "written representations". I would choose the latter instead, as also seems to be implied by the examples in MOS:PIPESTYLE. Any thoughts? Biogeographist (talk) 18:34, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * There was no reason for . The edit is tagged "Visual edit". That editing tool has a tendency to automatically add unnecessary or unwanted nowikis. The editor probably didn't do anything or know it happened. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:42, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

How Do I Create a Wikipedia Page
I want to create a wikipedia page for a relative, per their request. I would like to know the steps I need to take to be able to do this. I have read a person needs to be "notable"; who decides whether they are notable or not? Who is allowed to write a page? How much does this cost? I would appreciate any and all information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kjhart154223 (talk • contribs) 18:55, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I will try to answer every question. First of all, I am afraid that creating a new article (not yust "page") sucessfully is the most hardest task a new editor can undertake on Wikipedia, and the fact that the article is supposed about a relative does not make it easier. As for steps, I would recommend this guide. The term "notability" (and related words) have a special meaning on Wikipedia. In general, persons are presumed notable if at least three reliable independent sources have written about the subject at some depth. Everyone is in thory allowed to create an article, though articles that fail the policies are either deleted or draftified. Next, I have good news for you: Using or editing Wikipedia is absolutely free. That being said, the computers on Which Wikipedia run still needs to be financed. Therefore, you can donate to the Wikimedia Foundation which runs the servers. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:08, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Remember that Wikipedia articles are required to be neutral, which is often hard for a relative to achieve. Realise also that you will need to forget everything you know about your relative, and write entirely from the information in the independent published sources that you will need to find anyway to establish notability. Also understand that once the article is accepted into the encyclopaedia, it will not belong to you or your relative, and you will have no control over its contents: your involvement thereafter will be limited to suggesting edits, on the article's talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 21:12, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Uploading old photographs
I wish to upload two old photographs from the 1910s to the entry on Daphne Glenne in Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_Glenne

One (taken of Daphne Glenne by Bassano) is held by the National Portrait Gallery, who tell me that I am free to do this under Creative Commons. The photo is already on their website.

The second (also of her by Bassano) has come down to me through my family.

The NPG tell me that the Bassano Studio closed in 1962, and they acquired rights in the photos, and I am free to use the several ones which I own for non-commercial purposes.

How do I upload these photos? My case does not seem to fit into Wikipedia's form/questions.

Sartzbird (talk) 19:24, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Unfortunately, Creative Commons has more than one type of licence: Wikipedia normally uses CC-BY-SA: in particular, a non-commercial licence ('NC') is not acceptable. However, for images of that age, it is possible that they are in the public domain anyway. I suggest asking at the Commons:Commons:Village pump/Copyright section. --ColinFine (talk) 21:17, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

DELHI Riots 2020
better change it. the riots were started by Muslim MOBS (ROHINGYAS paid by George SOROS Foundations and the Italian Mother) against the CAA bill and Article 370 abruption. but not by the Hindus. if the Hindus wanted it it would have been since the Ayodhya. #MERA BHARAT# — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.54.154.145 (talk) 20:41, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * . Please discuss at Talk:2020 Delhi riots if you have to. Please read through the existing discussions, though, and note this has already been discussed ad nauseum, and that disruptive or uncivil edits there are likely to result in sanctions. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia  talk  20:44, 16 December 2020 (UTC)