Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 February 22

= February 22 =

Why was my edit to NewsWatch reverted?
NewsWatch is a scam. GorrilaReporter (the person the reverted my edit) please look up on Reddit and I've received the email myself too. posted at 22 February 2020 by
 * You have asked the same question at the talk page of and received an answer there; I don't need to repeat what GorillaWarfare has said. -- Hoary (talk) 06:47, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , I accept that the email you received was indeed a scam, but I doubt that it really came from Newswatch. Maproom (talk) 07:59, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Lupton family
Please fix the  page  numbers  -  (should  it  be  "ppp"  or  something?) -   of  reference number  86. Please leave in the  quote. Thanks 175.33.49.35 (talk) 05:58, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I think the way it's now is fine. There are other refs using full "page" like 100 for example. – Ammarpad (talk) 06:49, 22 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Additionally: Your concern for this article is admirable, but I have already done your bidding there once and I notice that I haven't been alone. Please consider figuring out how to do this kind of thing yourself; or, if you'd prefer not to, then please post your requests at Talk:Lupton family. -- Hoary (talk) 06:52, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks 175.33.49.35 (talk) 07:30, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Verticle table?
Apologies, not sure if that's the right way to put it. But what's the best way of formatting a table so the bolded headers are down the left-hand side rather than along the top? I appreciate any advice in advance :)   ——  SN  54129  07:01, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The bolding of the headers is merely produced by using exclamation mark " " instead of pipe " ". So this would be a simple matter of interchanging them. Or even more simply: use " " when you need bold and " " when you don't. For instance, see attached table example. I think that's what you're looking for.– Ammarpad (talk) 07:36, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * What I've been looking for for the last few hours! :)  Many, thanks indeed, that's the job. You're great as usual. Thanks for the help!  ——  SN  54129  07:46, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, just one more thing, is it possible to have it borderless (I worked that out, see!) and to float right as well? ——  SN  54129  07:51, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes. The border is added by wikitable class the floating by style: so just declare the style . – Ammarpad (talk) 08:00, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Brilliant! You did it for me :)  ——  SN  54129  08:10, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * See Help:Table for general table help. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:08, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * thanks too. I can't see how to get the left-hand column text to align to the left rather than centred. Any suggestions? ——  SN  54129  21:44, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I have added  to the above table in each cell of the left column except the heading. Styling of a column has to be added in every cell. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:51, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Always happy to take credit for someone else's help! Primefac (talk) 00:08, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * D'oh! I've done that before, too :D  sorry,, 'Fac swoops in once again and steals your thunder  ;)   ——  SN  54129  11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

How do I cite on enwiki a translation between other languages?
I am putting together bibliography of a modern Russian scholar in history who apart from writing original research has translated into Russian a number of mediaeval texts of historians from Latin or Greek from publications e.g. made in 19 century Germany, commented them and published either on dedicated websites, or in a journal published online with the page of description of his work in HTML and a link to a downloadable pdf file of the full text of commented and prefaced translation - or in conference proceedings. Using for ENwiki the templates "Cite conference, web or book", I am confused: parameters title and script-title require data of the text already in translation, while trans-title on ENwiki requires translation of the title into English. The template thus provides for translation only into English, but what about referencing translation between languages other than English? And how do I in applying "Cite conference" template show both the research museum holding the conference, and an independent publishing house that printed the proceedings? I have got an error message when I put the name of the former in "institution" parameter - and the publishing house in "publisher"? Are they mutually exclusive? GregZak (talk) 07:11, 22 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Experience has told me that while the citation templates may be good in their way, attempting to use them for complications unforeseen by their creators is frustrating and ultimately won't work. (Admittedly my attempts weren't so recent, but they involved books with Japanese and English parallel texts, and three ways of writing the title: Japanese in the script used on the book, Japanese romanized, and English. I gave up.) So when there are likely to be complications, I don't bother with the templates. Incidentally, before you put too much time into your enterprise, I don't think that there's any consensus that the papers of an academic should all be listed. Of course it's possible for one paper even to merit an article to itself (example), but I'd normally skip a list of papers unless they can be shown to have been discussed significantly by other scholars. -- Hoary (talk) 07:52, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * This editor asked apparently related questions at and .  I answered those questions but there was no further discussion.
 * institution and publishers are aliases of each other so are mutually exclusive.
 * @GregZak, examples of what it is that you are attempting to do will go a long way to helping other editors answer your questions.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 12:54, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I have just seen your previous reply after I read this one following the red button of notifications. Out of the two queries you mention, the one about blocked sites wasn't mine GregZak (talk) 20:01, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * @GregZak, examples of what it is that you are attempting to do will go a long way to helping other editors answer your questions.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 12:54, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I have just seen your previous reply after I read this one following the red button of notifications. Out of the two queries you mention, the one about blocked sites wasn't mine GregZak (talk) 20:01, 22 February 2020 (UTC)


 * My advice (and my practice in editing) with lists of papers is that in the humanities, where notability is mainly determined by books, a complete list of books published, with year, date, publisher and ISBN (referenced to WorldCat), and including links to major book reviews, is appropriate, but not articles ; but in the sciences, where in practice here notability is usually demonstrated by the extent of citation to the person's work, there should be a list of the  5 or so  most cited peer-reviewed articles, given in full with coauthors, full name of journals, and links, with the number of citations to each of them .   For currently active scientists, there's usually a full list of papers on their web site.  But the amount of material to included should depend upon the importance of the person.  DGG ( talk ) 16:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

How to remove the massages ?
Dear Wikipedia I want to ask you a question,How To Remove The Massages? Thank you Cheryl114.32.128.34 (talk) 08:49, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Which message? – Ammarpad (talk) 08:51, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Move of article please - duplicate articles created
Hello I created the article "Lismore fields" and realised afterwards that the f in the title should be capital. So I created the article "Lismore Fields" and copied over the content but I can't delete the original article. I found out that I should have used the Move feature but that won't work since I created the new article already. Please will an administrator delete the original article for me? Thanks Douglal (talk) 13:57, 22 February 2020 (UTC)


 * If you add  to the top of the original article, that will tag it for speedy deletion. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:03, 22 February 2020 (UTC)


 * No need – I've already ProDded it, while David Biddulph was replying. Maproom (talk) 14:05, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I've history-merged Douglal's earlier edits of Lismore fields to Lismore Fields and redirected the former to the latter. Should be fixed now; let me know if there are any problems. Deor (talk) 15:56, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Revereted my edit in Twenty:20 (Film) Article for no reason
Hi, Some admin undone my edit in Twenty:20 (film) Article. The revert was done for rearraging the cast according to their age, popularity & spell order. You know Mammootty and Mohanlal are equally popular & rival actors in Malayalam Film Industry. I would like to know how could Mohanlal comes afterMammootty in the cast section in the article?. Both are equally important in the movie Twenty:20 (film). On the basis of age, career experience & considering their english spelling, Mohanlal only comes after Mammootty. Then on what basis they(admins) are keeping the wrong order and reverting my edit. This is not fair. Expecting an answer & a solution. Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SmakTwone (talk • contribs) 19:32, 22 February 2020 (UTC)


 * The editor who reverted your edit is not an admin, but he was perfectly entitled to revert. You gave no explanation in an edit summary as to why you made the change.  As the editor advised you on your user talk page, if you wish to discuss your proposed change the place to do it is the article's talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:44, 22 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Casts are listed in billing order, not age, popularity (which would open a big can of worms) or spelling. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:31, 22 February 2020 (UTC)


 * "Billing order" means the order in which the producers of the film chose to list the cast in the credits of the film itself (often by contractual obligation), official posters at the theatre, etc. This is the only reasonable solution, and a long-standing consensus among Wikipedia editors at WT:FILM and elsewhere. —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 04:22, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I think the end credit scene in the movie can be considered as a billing order. In the end credit of the movie itself Mammootty is mention first before Mohanlal. That is the order the Producer had Chosen. Then please change it accordingly. You can Watch it here : []

-- Preceding unsigned comment added by SmakTwone (talk • contribs) 04:49, 23 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Aren't end credits frequently shown in order of the characters' first appearances in the film. (Not asserting that this is necessarily the case in this instance.) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.202.162.227 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:51, 23 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I am just talking about that, to arrange the cast there should be some methods or conditions to be followed. There is no explanation for the current arrangement of cast in the article. Someone above mentioned cast are arranged in the billing order. So it should be followed. In the credit scene of the movie it's arranged as Madhu, Mammootty, Mohanlal, and so on by the producer itself. So it must be rearranged accordingly with the credit scene. I hope admins should take proper action against this. -- Preceding unsigned comment added by SmakTwone (talk • contribs) 13:08, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * There isn't any "proper action" that admins would take against "this". If you think I'm out of line somehow, I'm welcome to hear it. There is an explanation for the current arrangement of the cast, as it is arranged in billing order, as confirmed by various websites. As someone else noted, the end credits might not be the best presentation. I'd go along with the opening credits. I'm trying to find a video rendition of the opening credits somewhere online, but all I'm seeing are deleted videos (as such postings are copyright violations). What has been happening on the article now for 6+ years is a series of sockpuppets in support of Mohanlal and another series in support of Mammootty that keep switching the cast order. A great many of these sockpuppets have been blocked. See example and example. The article has been protected 9 times over the years to prevent the cast order switching disruption. If we can see the opening credits showing Mammootty to be billed first, then I'm happy for it. I don't care about the order. I care about the disruption ending permanently. SmakTwone, I appreciate you be willing to discuss. Further discussion about the order should be held at Talk:Twenty:20 (film). Thanks, --Hammersoft (talk) 15:42, 23 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Off-topic, but I am pretty sure this "rivalry" is manufactured to improve viewer engagement (nothing new under the sun). Tigraan Click here to contact me 13:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Help - Images corped from Youtube
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UFC_244_BMFBelt.png I was wondering if anyone can help me if i did the right Licensing and free from copyright issues? Regice2020 (talk) 23:32, 22 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I'm sorry, but I don't think you did. You uploaded it with the claim that it was licensed under CC-by-3.0, but I see nothing on the YouTube page that states that. In the absence of any clear statement to the contrary from the copyright holder, we assume that all images found on the Internet are copyright and cannot normally be used in Wikipedia. What is your basis for believing that this is licensed under cc-by-3.0? (If it is the "CC" on the frame of the video, that means Closed captioning, and is nothing to do with the licence). --ColinFine (talk) 11:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Correcting the spelling of the person's name in the title
I am trying to correct the misspelling of a person's name. I have corrected the actual article, but I can't seem to correct the title. This is the link to the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeline_Hartog-Bel I need to correct the first name to Madeleine. I've looked in the help section, but I didn't find how to do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragonsrose4 (talk • contribs) 23:45, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * To change the title of an article, you "Move" it to the new title. Click on "Move" at the top of the page, and there will be a screen to give the new title and the reason you are moving it. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 23:50, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Info is here: Moving a page. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 23:52, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The OP couldn't move the article as his account is not autoconfirmed. I've done the move. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:54, 22 February 2020 (UTC)