Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 February 26

= February 26 =

Inaccuracy Within An Article Description -Classless Inter-Domain Routing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classless_Inter-Domain_Routing)
The CIDR Block image has an error but it is not editable. 10.10.1.32/27 does not translate to 10.10.1.44. 10.10.1.32/27 actually translates to 10.10.1.63. The illustration does not align with the CIDR Notation explanation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dsjob704 (talk • contribs) 03:10, 26 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you mean. It shows, correctly, that 10.10.1.44 is within the netblock 10.10.1.32/27, which represents 32 addresses – 10.10.1.32–10.10.1.63. —[  Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 03:27, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Alternate for Assign user ID in MPM Event Module
Hi Support, I need a help on apache Assign user ID alternate for MPM Event module.

As we are using mpm event instead of mpm itk, event module is not supporting Assing user ID. Could you please help on this case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vtiger-sriniashu (talk • contribs) 08:55, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * This is the Help Desk for Wikipedia, where we offer help to people editing Wikipedia articles. We are not tech support for Apache. Maproom (talk) 09:00, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

How to recover deleted images?
Hi, how can I call back deleted images like this one? -- Basile Morin (talk) 09:23, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , you could ask at wp:refund, but this would be at an admin's discretion.  Alex Noble    - talk  09:30, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks -- Basile Morin (talk) 09:35, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Nina Kovacheva - English page
Hello I am struggling with this issue. I have created an English page for the Bulgarian artist Nina Kovacheva. This is the address https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Kovacheva. I am not sure whether this page is actually on the internet or in my user space?

A Bulgarian page written in the Cyrillic alphabet already exists https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B0

I am struggling to link the new English page to the Bulgarian one. When I click on 'add links' under 'Languages' on the Bulgarian page in the left hand column at the bottom it asks me for 2 things. I enter 'English' but for the second block I enter 'Nina Kovacheva' and I get the message

A page "$2" could not be found on "$1". The external client site "enwiki" did not provide page information for page "Nina Kovacheva".

I don't know what to do. Can you help me or can you link the page for me? Thanks for your assistance — Preceding unsigned comment added by FrankatAGV (talk • contribs) 09:26, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , I have linked bg:Нина Ковачева and en:Nina Коvacheva at wikidata:Q13560691.  Alex Noble    - talk  09:33, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , I've found why it wasn't working - the article is titled Nina Коvacheva, with the Cyrillic К character instead of the latin K. I've requested the page be moved.  Alex Noble    - talk  09:43, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , thank you. I am very grateful for this
 * , Can I ask another question? The title of the page is Nina Kovacheva.  Is NINA Kovacheva allowed and how would I change that?
 * , Nina Kovacheva is now in mainspace as an article. But it's not likely to remain there long, as it cites no references, and therefore fails to establish that its subject is notable enough to warrant an article on en:Wikipedia. Your priority should be to rectify that, rather than worrying about the way her forename is written. But as for her forename, Wikipedia policy is to write her name the way it is usually written in reliable published sources. Normally I would check that by looking at the references cited in the article; in this case, while there aren't any, I see no reason to use a non-standard capitalisation. Maproom (talk) 10:36, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

How to request edit protection - confirmed users
Sorry, I’ve searched the FAQ, but can’t find the answer to this straightforward question.

(The article I’m concerned about is Duffy (singer), which has had several vandalistic and senseless edits in the past 24 hours, since Duffy’s Instagram revelations. Due to their nature it’s certain that the tabloids in Britain will give it continuing coverage, and that will trigger more vandalism.)

Thanks for your help. Please ping when responding. Thanks. Boscaswell  talk  12:33, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , Requests for page protection; if you have Twinkle installed the RPP button will fill it in for you.
 * However, there is already a request pending there, so you don't need to do anything this time.  Alex Noble    - talk  12:38, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * However, there is already a request pending there, so you don't need to do anything this time.  Alex Noble    - talk  12:38, 26 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Alex.  Boscaswell   talk  12:42, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Categories
This question relates to this category page (but also pages on Wikipedia, not on Commons) so not sure whether this properly belongs on another help page:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:After_Dark

I have an interest in this category page as most if not all of the images originated with work I uploaded over the years. Might you help me with a couple of no doubt straightforward questions (apologies for not knowing the answers: I have been editing for a while but only sporadically and have no "advanced" editing skills)?

i/ There was a period when not all of the images I uploaded to English Wikipedia had been moved to Commons, some were only on Wikipedia. How can I check if there are any left which have not yet made it across?

ii/ Over the years I have uploaded other images (not connected with the tv programme After Dark) - how can I search for these?

Thanks. AnOpenMedium (talk) 13:58, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Special:ListFiles/AnOpenMedium and commons:Special:ListFiles/AnOpenMedium show the files you uploaded that currently reside on en-Wikipedia and on Commons respectively. The former is empty, so all images should have "made it across" either to Commons or to the realm of Hades.
 * gives you all your uploaded files (via Wikipedia). Some have been deleted/moved to other titles during the transfer to Commons.
 * Is that enough for you to search through the files? Tigraan Click here to contact me 17:41, 26 February 2020 (UTC)


 * @Tigraan This is really helpful, thank you so much. May I ask a supplementary, slightly related, question? On more than one occasion I have received the request/suggestion that for the After Dark series, it would be very helpful if there was a Wikipedia category to show when a person has appeared on this programme (ie something like "People who have appeared on tv series After Dark") What is a good way to go about doing this? AnOpenMedium (talk) 12:28, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * You could create the category yourself and add it to the pages of people who appeared. I am not sure, however, of the naming conventions for categories, what the appropriate parent cat(s) would be, or whether such a category would be considered useful by the general community (Categorization does not say much about whether the category would be appropriate or not). Tigraan Click here to contact me 16:45, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * @Tigraan Many thanks. I will research further. AnOpenMedium (talk) 11:26, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

need help regarding copyright issues misunderstanding and page deletion
Hello

I published the Mambo (artist) page that I manage for my husband. I spent hours publishing and editing the information as advised (structuring the text, adding references ...) and everything went well until another person told me that I was infringing on copyright because I added a photo that I myself had taken in his studio during a photo session but of which my husband had posted a similar photo on facebook. I also added elements of his official biography, available in several publications that I have cited, but again I am told that I am infringing copyright. I was absent from the screens for 15 days for health reasons and when I return the page was simply deleted and none of the people involved in deleting this page answered me despite my questions and my explanations.

I am new to wikipedia and I certainly made mistakes, I just want to understand and make sure to publish this information correctly. I lost hours of work and can no longer access any of the content on this page. Can you help me?

thank you so much

Jdemarigny (talk) 15:41, 26 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I'm afraid that the most helpful advice I can give you is to stop trying to do something that is nearly impossible. Many people have a misunderstanding of Wikipedia, and think that it is a place where you can promote (= "tell the world about") somebody or something important to you: it is not. It is an encyclopaedia, which consists of neutral articles about notable subjects.
 * If Wikipedia ever has an article on your husband, you will not be able to "manage" it: nobody owns a Wikipedia article, but especially people associated with the subject are strongly discouraged from working on the article directly, and in any case will not have control over its contents. Wikipedia has very little interest in what the subject of an article says about themselves, or what their associates say about them (which means that, even if you get over the copyright question, it is unlikely that much material from his website will be appropriate to a Wikipedia article): it is only interested in what people who are wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen (unprompted by the subject) to publish about them. If such independent, reliably published sources exist, then he is notable in Wikipedia's special sense, and an article can be written about him; but you are discouraged from writing it. If no such sources exist, then no article on him is possible. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 16:09, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks ColinFine for the fast and detailed feedback and for sharing your opinion about who and what should be published on Wikipedia.

Mambo (artist) page has not initially been created by my husband or myself. He is an internationally renowned artist, more than 10 books have been published about him and the page had several contributors.

Of course, Wikipedia should not be a self-promoting platform where anyone can create a page about himself, there are plenty of social networks for that.

My understanding is that Wikipedia is a place where everyone can contribute and share valuable information and none of the comments provided by other editors had something to do with the fact that I was related to him and I have been transparent about it as I could hide it.

I could have hidden the fact I was his wife, pay someone to publish his page or as many of our artist friends ask an assistant to do it, but this is where it would be dishonest. I have the source info and don't see why I should not be allowed to update his page with content that has the guarantee to be relevant and accurate.

Isn't Wikipedia a Free Encyclopedia that encourages people to collaborate transparently in order to gather as much relevant information as possible. On his page, I am not talking about him or say what I think about him. I was factual: his bio, list of exhibitions, publications, and collaborations. I am not pretending to have control, of course, anyone can edit or publish his page, I was just contributing as I guess the community appreciates relevant info and again the reason why someone has deleted the page is not that I am his wife but because the picture I published was similar to one posted on Facebook.

Am I sanctioned for being honest and willing to provide accurate and verifiable content here? I was just hoping to get help here as I thought it was Wikipedia's spirit and if anyone found this spirit back I would appreciate his kind help. Thanks Jdemarigny (talk) 17:02, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I think was too quick on the trigger and gave you a standardized answer without looking at the details of the situation here.
 * As far as I can see, the page Mambo (artist) was deleted last December after that short discussion due to it being a copyright violation of either this or that page. The copyright violation is about the text, not the image(s). (If you wrote those pre-existing biographies and are OK with licensing them for use on Wikipedia and everywhere else, see this page.) So the deletion had nothing to do with you being his wife or something else. This was explained to you already on January 4 but you probably missed it.
 * That being said, looking at those biographies, they are quite far from what an encyclopedia article should look like (example: probing painter, travelling designer and observant graphic artist is WP:PEACOCK). You are welcome to resubmit a (copyvio-free) page via WP:AFC but make sure to include sources that show he is "notable" - in particular, the most significant of those more than 10 books [that] have been published about him. Tigraan Click here to contact me 17:27, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you,, for explaining more clearly. , I apologise for jumping to conclusions: we get many people asking for help here who are trying to do what Ithought you were trying to do. --ColinFine (talk) 17:32, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the deleting admin, (who will be notified by this mention), will be willing to WP:REFUND you a copy of the page to save some work (especially since apparently some other editors contributed), since you now seem to understand and respect the relevant policies. —[  Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 23:49, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you Alan M 1  and to all of ou for your support and understanding, I am truly sorry for those mistakes and believe I have now great advice to publish a page properly and that would be amazing if  could be willing to WP:REFUND me a copy of the page to save a lot of work.Jdemarigny (talk) 02:45, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Copyright problems cannot be restored or shared. In addition, I refuse to restore promotional content because it is not in the best interests of the encyclopedia. MER-C 09:15, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

== The Flying Spaghetti Monster as an ideology has no relation to the comedic and sensationalist The Church Of The Flying Spaghetti Monster (COTFSM) and therefor share a different Wikipedia page. Their combined appearance on one page as reference is a serious bastardisation of the truth. ==

There is no true correlation between the satirical misuse of the concept and its true ultimate question and response. The commercialization of the theory on social media in example FaceBook lend it no credible opinion on the matter but is merely used as another form of entertainment with little or no real means of educating its members.

I respectfully request and suggest that you formally disconnect the ideals/manifestos/opinions and imagery related to the church of the flying spaghetti monster (COTFSM)from it's original body of thought. The Flying Spaghetti Monster. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.69.252.80 (talk) 19:17, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * You can start a discussion on the article's talk page about splitting the article. RudolfRed (talk) 19:20, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Ramen. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:46, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * ...but make sure to include independent, reliable sources to support your suggestion. Tigraan Click here to contact me 10:16, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * This can happen to any ideology. The teachings of the world's various "Christian" churches are not so close to the intentions of Jesus. Sadly, it is the commercialised institutions that tend to be "notable" in Wikipedia's sense. Maproom (talk) 08:45, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref
Why is this wrong? It says it is not closed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:3003:3614:1F00:D030:BBC0:DDA7:C421 (talk) 21:27, 26 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Article in question is Draft:TEACH-NOW Graduate School of Education. I have fixed the reference, you were missing a / from . The more pressing issue for your draft is it not meeting our notability guidelines Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:37, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

removal of empty sections that have been empty for many years
Is there a policy, guideline or recommendation, on how to deal with empty sections? In my opinion they are usually bad style, bloating articles with what are essentially work notes that don't contribute to the article. If an editor doesn't have the time to fill a section with content, they should also refrain from imposing a structure to future contributors. So if I were to go through Category:Articles with empty sections, starting with the oldest dates (currently 2008!), and start to remove a lot of them, would that be viewed as an improvement, or could it be viewed as destructive? -- Theoprakt (talk) 21:42, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I started a thread at the category talk page. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  23:32, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

New article
I just made an article: User:McAnnis49/sandbox/Blue Mesa Member.

Trying to move it to Blue Mesa Member for further development.McAnnis49 (talk) 22:20, 26 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Your draft is at User:McAnnis49/sandbox. You can work on it there, or it could be moved to Draft:Blue Mesa Member - you will be able to move pages in another two days, once your account is WP:autoconfirmed, or you could ask at Requested moves. You can invite others to work on it with you in either of those places. But please don't move it to main space yet, because it has no references at all, and that is not acceptable for a new article. --ColinFine (talk) 22:34, 26 February 2020 (UTC)


 * They referenced two books, isn't that sufficient? -- Theoprakt (talk) 22:35, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * They are down as "further reading", not "References", and no sections or pages are indicated. Wikipedia articles should have inline citations. See WP:REFB. --ColinFine (talk) 22:38, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * there are pages indications though -- Theoprakt (talk) 22:49, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The current article has three sentences and less than 50 words, and makes no particularly controversial assertions. It sounds reasonable that a single ref can source it all. (And yes, there are page indications.) Tigraan Click here to contact me 10:23, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Your Gang of 8 is wrong
The gang of 8 list John McCain as a member in 2019, he died in August 2018. Jeff Flake did not seem re-election in 2018 so that one is also wrong. Yet it was edited two days ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:100e:bf1c:539:c0cc:28bd:bb1e:f543 (talk • contribs) 2020-02-26T22:32:43 (UTC).


 * Courtesy link: Gang of Eight (immigration).
 * If there is something you can improve in an article, please either edit the article (if you have reliable published sources for any information you want to add), or start a discussion on the article's talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 22:40, 26 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I've gone through every article at Gang of Eight, and none of them mention John McCain at all, and NONE of them have been edited in the past two days. Either the OP is mistaken or reading a different article.  Please link the article you are having problems with, and we'll see if we can fix it.   -- Jayron 32 13:27, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Gang of Eight (immigration) does mention him but the last edit at the time was 18 days ago and it didn't claim he was a member in 2019. It said "Of the eight senators that originally composed the group, six remain in office". I have added "... as of 2020. John McCain died in 2018 and Jeff Flake's term ended in 2019."[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gang_of_Eight_(immigration)&diff=942886874&oldid=939866212] PrimeHunter (talk) 13:54, 27 February 2020 (UTC)