Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 January 15

= January 15 =

Publishing a draft article
I have created a draft article (CMTPedS), how do I update to a published article so that it is visible to everyone and comes up in searches? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshua.T.Burns (talk • contribs) 00:20, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * You submit it for review by adding at top. I've submitted it for you. Most of the cited sources come from an author with the same name as your username, if you are that person I would recommend reading WP:COI. – Thjarkur (talk) 00:25, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Translation article
I created my first translation article Kurchenko Andrii Ihorovych. The title for some reason displays the word Draft: Should that be the case? Who will help me rename? Thank you --Knignik 2 (talk) 00:21, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * You submit it for review by adding at top. I've submitted it for you, getting a review can take anywhere from one day to several weeks. – Thjarkur (talk) 00:33, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

SANTA FE HIGH SCHOOL
HI I GRADUATED FROM SANTA FE HIGH SCHOOL IN 1976, SANTA FE IS NOT PART OF THE HOUSTON METROPLOITAN HOUSTON IS HARRIS COUNTY SANTA FE IS IN GALVESTON COUNTY IN BETWEEN GALVESTON AND HOUSTON, SANTA FE USE TO BE CALLED ALTA LOMA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.28.94.217 (talk) 07:38, 15 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Presumably this refers to the lede paragraph in Santa Fe High School (Texas). (There are several other Santa Fe High Schools.)
 * Are you sure you understand what is meant by "Houston metropolitan area"? While the city of Houston is indeed in Harris County, Texas, the Houston metropolitan area aka "Greater Houston" also includes eight other counties, including Galveston County, Texas. All nine of these counties are tabulated in the section Greater Houston.
 * If you have further queries, feel free to make them here, but please:
 * (a) do not use ALL CAPITALS as this is often interpreted as SHOUTING and is considered to be rude – I know you likely did not intend to seem rude but some people are so put off by ALL CAPITALS that they won't bother to read any question that is so typed: also
 * (b) please end your post with four tildes, i.e. ~ . This automatically adds your signature (in your case your IP address) plus a time and date, all of which helps us to keep track of who is saying what in the conversation. If you don't have a tilde key on your device, you can copypaste it from the drop-down menus at the bottom of the editing box: the tilde is the first character in the 'Symbols' menu. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.208.126 (talk) 10:04, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Category
Can anyone help me to create a category page? Category:Rail transport in Kolkata I thought it like a simple article page, but it seems different. Please help.  :) S A H  A  10:23, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * You already created it. I reverted text which is automatically displayed if there are subcategories or pages (there currently isn't). Maybe the parent categories should follow a pattern in subcategories of Category:Rail transport in India by city. When creating a new category, I always look for similar categories to select the content. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:59, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I changed the categories it was in based on its sibling Category:Rail transport in Mumbai. —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 16:15, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Little bit lost
Hello ! I really don't know where to go, I have encountered a problem on a page (European Collectivity of Alsace) where an editor keeps readding outdated data with no source. I have added an official source for 2020, dating back from december 2019 (so one month ago). So that would be an edit war. A strange one, but still.

What's now really distressing is that the user is not doing that nicely. I wrote a very polite summary for my edit (Readded the correct 2020 population estimate. Added source for referendum. Added a short history. Good day.), and I have that now :
 * "Your petulance is only making you look bad. The estimate is already obsolete. Check the meaning of that word: "obsolete"."
 * "Your estimate is not sourced - where is the link to a specific page? - while the official 2017 census is sourced."
 * The user is lying... if you check the diff, I am the one that provided a source, they did not...
 * "Edit war starters usually get their come-uppance sooner rather than later."
 * Finally, on my talk page : "The presumptuous tone and counter-factual attitude that you adopt here will not make you many friends. It is true that there was a population estimate for 2020, made in 2019. But since the publication of the official census figures for 2017 by INSEE, on December 30, 2019, this figure has become fanciful and this estimate, obsolete. Given the growth rate of the departments of Bas-Rhin and Haut-Rhin since 2007, the total population in 2020 is necessarily higher than that of 2017, which is higher than the estimate that you revere so much. Give up the worship of this idol."

Where should I go ? What should I do ? That isn't a basic content dispute, it's really exhausting and distressing... CocoricoPolynesien (talk) 12:00, 15 January 2020 (UTC)


 * The place to discuss edits to an article is on its talk page, in this case Talk:European Collectivity of Alsace. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:26, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I've only had time for a quick look. It seems to me that the 2019 figure was an estimate. I.e. a 'guessed' or extrapolated figure which may or may not be accurate. It seems that once the 2017 census figures have been audited or checked they become the official figures and would take precedence over the estimate. It might be OK to include both figures making it clear that 2019 is an estimate. Please try to resolve with the other editor involved to reach a consensus, preferably at the article talk page. Help in resolving disputes can be found at WP:DR and WP:BRD. Eagleash (talk) 12:31, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you both for your answer ! I agree, however the 2020 data were published after the 2017 ones by the exact same gov agency, making them more recent. I don't see how a 2017 census would have precedence over a more recent 2020 estimate. I will use the talk page as you advised me, and probably add the 2017 census (if of course I find a source because the other editor didn't provide one !). Done. Problem is, it doesn't solve the agressiveness of the other editor and its attacks... Thank you, CocoricoPolynesien (talk) 12:40, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

How to suggest changes/updates to a specific article?
How to suggest changes/updates to a specific article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indianboyzz (talk • contribs)
 * The best thing to do is to be bold and make the changes yourself. If you don't wish to do that, or can't due to page protection, you should make an edit request on the article talk page of the article you wish to see changed. 331dot (talk) 14:49, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

2 questions
Hello,

I have two questions. My first question is when I review AFC submissions, how can I prevent submissions from being added to my watchlist? My second question is I'm going to be on vacation until Monday. Because of this, I won't be as active during that time. I would like to have some talk page stalkers answer questions on my talk page just in case I'm offline. How can I find some? Please ping me in your reply. Interstellarity (talk) 16:02, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * 1. I think you can turn off . 2. You could just add a "Away for a few days. Other editors: feel free to reply to questions here" on top, maybe someone at this help desk decides to watchlist it. Most things here aren't that time-sensitive, so you can also just enjoy the vacation :) – Thjarkur (talk) 16:17, 15 January 2020 (UTC)


 * 1. If you don't want to change the preference mentioned above, assuming you see the moved/edited submission page after you save it, click the blue star tab at the top to uncheck it. 2. Maybe mention it at WT:AFC for the attention of other AFCers? —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 16:26, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help. That fixes the problem. Interstellarity (talk) 16:29, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Would like there to be more clarity in climate statistics labels
I recently noticed that for a given city, the climate statistics display includes not only "average high" but also "mean maximum" (and likewise for "average low" and "mean minimum") labels for each month of the year.

Because "high" and "maximum" are synonyms, as are "low" and "minimum", as well as "average" and "mean", I sought clarification. None was to be found in the text immediately below the climate statistics display.

There is, however, in teeny type at the *top* of the climate statistics display, a reference to the following footnote:

"Mean monthly maxima and minima (i.e. the expected highest and lowest temperature readings at any point during the year or given month) calculated based on data at said location from 1981 to 2010."

Maybe if I thought about it a great deal, I could figure out how this differs from the monthly "average high" but right now I find it to be nothing but confusing.

So: My question is this: Where can I join a discussion among Wikipedia editors who might be persuaded to make the meanings of these designations much, much, clearer to readers?50.205.142.35 (talk) 18:35, 15 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Those tables are generated by Template:Weather box. I suspect that the best place to raise this is on the talk page of that template. If nothing else, the editors who watch that page will be able to direct you to a better location. -Arch dude (talk) 19:06, 15 January 2020 (UTC)


 * You're right - the wording is confusing. I suspect it's a result of trying to make the descriptions as short as possible, to fit in the table. Let's take Las Vegas as an example, and look at the month of June. Here's my take on the meanings:
 * The "Record high" of 117 is the highest temperature ever reached in June.
 * The "Mean maximum" of 109.4 is the highest temperature reached in an average June. "Mean monthly maximum" would be better, but longer.
 * The "Average high" would be better shown as "Average daily high". Thus, 98.7 is the average of the high temperature for each of the 30 days of June.
 * "Average low" and "Mean minimum" are arrived at in a similar fashion. --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 21:52, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I find the "Average" figures are more useful; they are generally present by default, whereas the "Mean" figures (confusingly) give a sort of monthly worst-case figure, and are not found in all WP weather charts.--Quisqualis (talk) 00:13, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Short and sweet
Can admin add wikihow41.113.142.75 (talk) 23:10, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * It's there now. WikiHow Is there anything else you wanted? TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  23:15, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * What is "wikihow" and what do you want to add it to? 331dot (talk) 23:16, 15 January 2020 (UTC)