Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 July 29

= July 29 =

Ip address
London bari fc IP address was forwarded to Hackney Wick FC 4 years ago..we wish to separate now and have no idea how to get the IP address or to go about it. Any help,? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.36.77.199 (talk) 00:27, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * This is the help desk for how to use Wikipedia. We can't help you with this.  Try contacting the company that provides your internet service.  RudolfRed (talk) 01:30, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Use of future progressive tense in biographical articles
Could anyone please tell me if it's okay to write something like "(s)he will be remembered for X" in a biographical article?--Thylacine24 (talk) 02:59, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * What are you trying to say, and why is it not sufficient to just say "(s)he did X"? -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:02, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I found an article using this tense in the passive voice with the verb "remembered" (though it also used the word "best" before "remembered"), then used the search function to find more like it. Personally, I think a "probably" would work best between "will" and "be". (Edit: Sorry to answer so awkwardly.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 03:31, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I've tried to make it better at Peter Haskell, take a look. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:44, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * As you seemed to have figured out, that was the page in question, thanks. Sorry not to have used the reply template in my earlier reply to you, and sorry not to use the talk page on Peter Haskell's article first, since I was impatient for an earlier response (though I've used and largely forgotten other talk pages before). (Edit: I also thought it would be okay if I didn't name the article in question.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 04:45, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * No. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. "(s)he will be remembered for X" is a prediction. See WP:CRYSTAL. If you can cite a really important source that makes this prediction (i.e., the prediction itself is noteworthy) I suppose it might be OK to say that "Schmadlap opines that (s)he will be remembered for X", but I hope this sort of thing is rare. -Arch dude (talk) 04:33, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for telling me.--Thylacine24 (talk) 04:45, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd also argue that wikipedia voice should never really use "remembered", unless from a specific person, a concept or name. When someone dies, quite often the press will state "X will be remembered for Y", but even if it is the case long after this, we should just state what they did, and how that effected others. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:16, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your advice, but it feels wrong to edit every or any usage of the word "remembered" on Wikipedia in the way you describe as improper, since you're the only person saying that (no offense). Also, I'm lazy about that sort of thing.--Thylacine24 (talk) 19:39, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I misunderstood you below. (Edit: Sorry, I meant to change that to " [so]rry [s]orry to misunderstand you" before submitting.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 20:20, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I think that the editors in this thread are advising you not to use "(s)he will be remembered for X" yourself, unless you can cite a really important source that makes the prediction. They are not advising you to take responsibility for fixing every article that already uses the phrase. TSventon (talk) 20:05, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I mistook for saying that using "remembered" outside of the context of "a specific person, a concept or name", as opposed to the tense used. My apologies to him for misunderstanding him. Anyway, thanks for telling me that I'm not that responsible.--Thylacine24 (talk) 20:20, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Unable to donate to wikipedia
In response to the appeal by Wikipedia to donate, have tried using 2-3 different cards to make payment. For whatever reason it judoesnt go thru, You need to look into this as there may be several others facing a similar problem & may not take the efforts to look up contact wiki(which in itself was a task!) Regards, Salil - Rupali — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.254.13.236 (talk) 03:06, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * There is a list of various ways to donate here: . If none of those work for you, or if you have any problems or feedback, contact donate@wikimedia.org.  RudolfRed (talk) 03:13, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * More generally, see Problems donating * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 03:14, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Add Tehran Instagram Page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tehran

Add Tehran Instagram Page to help Tourism watch Tehran before travel

Here is Tehran page on Instagram :

https://www.instagram.com/tehran — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evilsockets (talk • contribs) 05:40, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , this is not the official Instagram page for Tehran and therefore cannot be added. — Yours, Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 10:22, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism help request from Fridolin freudenfett
I have noticed some vandalism at No Gun Ri massacre. Namely, the fourth paragraph of the top-of-page summary reads "Seems liberal Wikipedia will highlight American/UN atrocities, but absolutely completely ignore North Korean/Chinese/Russian war crimes. Fake...fake...fake." Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you, and regards F Clarke — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.197.8 (talk) 07:16, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The vandalism was already removed by the time you finished writing this message. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:25, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

help in move new create for page Demian Aditya
Aditya Prambudhi (born 28 December 1976), commonly known as Demian Aditya, is a illusionist.

Legislature structure
Hello. Is there any tool to make images like this, or do you have to do it manually? Thanks, Alextheconservative (talk) 08:13, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes there is . It is located at . — Yours, Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 10:18, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Page deleted
Hi there. My name is Jesse Wilder and my page was taken down and I have no idea why. It’s been up for about 20 years with nothing altered. Can you explain this to me? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.41.74.143 (talk)
 * Expired PROD, concern was: Fails WP:GNG, WP:BIO, and WP:MUSICBIO. — Yours, Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 10:21, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello! Assuming you mean Jesse Wilder (which is not "yours", see WP:OWN), this pops up (you'll see this if you click the redlink):


 * "19:15, June 17, 2020 Muboshgu talk contribs deleted page Jesse Wilder (Expired PROD, concern was: Fails WP:GNG, WP:BIO, and WP:MUSICBIO.


 * Meaning User:Muboshgu deleted it June 17 for the stated reasons. You can discuss it with User:Muboshgu at User talk:Muboshgu. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:32, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Contested PRODS go to WP:AFD.This one's now contested, so Mubosghu will restore it and send it to WP:AFD if you request. Herostratus (talk) 12:14, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

WP's in-house citation style
Hi all,

Please forgive this list of questions which has grown as I typed it. Two initial questions of trivial difficulty (asking for a friend), followed by others of much lesser importance but perhaps greater complexity.
 * 1. Using cite book or any other similar template, is it possible to generate a 100% compliant Chicago Reference-list entry as shown in Author-Date: Sample Citations from the Chicago on-line manual? If so, could someone please show me how? I am aware of all the differences between Chicago and the standard output of cite book, which I am familiar with. For example,


 * Grazer, Brian, and Charles Fishman. 2015. A Curious Mind: The Secret to a Bigger Life. New York: Simon & Schuster.
 * Thoreau, Henry David. 2016. “Walking.” In The Making of the American Essay, edited by John D’Agata, 167–95. Minneapolis: Graywolf Press.
 * 2. Similarly, is it possible to generate 100% Chicago inline parenthetical refs (Smith, 1997, 345) from a cite book or other template without the 'p.' abbreviation, where eg harv and sfn by default generate something like ?

Other citation queries, mostly to do with curiosity about the inner workings of WP which I don't actually need to know: please ignore for any reason. Recently I've been trying to understand various styles, including CS1 and 2, Chicago Author-Date etc., MLA, APA and so on. It definitely is a can of worms.

For a long time I've used sfns with cite book, journal etc. as my main citation style, along with refn and efn, and occasionally a plain. I've always called it "Harvard-style referencing", although this a bit of a misnomer.
 * 1) Would it be vaguely correct to describe this as "numbered Harvard-style short footnotes with bibliography"? Is there a WP-specific official description of what this represents, or a page containing all this info all together?
 * 2) Am I correct in thinking that a very basic description of what goes on could be "The templates cite book etc. use CS1- and CS2-compliant parameters to generate an entry (CITEREF?) which can be linked with |ref=harv, and which is all formatted by the Wikimedia software to display a WP-specific citation (e.g in the bibliography) and short footnote in the 'correct' format"?
 * 3) Why does WP:PAREN not actually tell you how to implement Parenthetical referencing using templates?
 * 4) Could you describe how sfns fit into WP:Parenthetical referencing? WP:MOS has almost nothing to say about referencing, apart from that it's down to a consensus for each article. Wikipedia talk:Parenthetical referencing seems to sum up the problem: it's fairly difficult to decide what to even call it. But as I understand it from CS Primer, there is no such thing as an official 'Harvard' style, although a number of UK universities use the Harvard System of Referencing (6th edition).
 * 5) How far does WP follow this 6th ed. linked above? Help:Citation Style 1 says that "CS1 uses (in addition to Wikipedia's own Manual of Style) elements of The Chicago Manual of Style and the Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association, with significant adaptations."
 * 6) Does the above phrase "CS1 uses (in addition..." actually mean "CS1, as implemented on Wikipedia uses (in addition..."
 * 7) Is there any guide to where the "significant adaptations" are described? Or the decision-making behind them?
 * 8) Is there a very simple diagram like a company organisation chart or flow chart that shows how all the different WP citation styles and templates fit together? I have found this information very difficult to come by in one compact, concise explanation. Something like Maslow's hierarchy of needs:
 * Citation styles for printed matter, eg Chicago, APA, WP specifications
 * CS1, CS2, which describe the formatting of citations and bibliographies in XML
 * cite book journal, etc., citation, harv etc.
 * sfn, refn, plain old ref name=
 * Where does CITEREF fit in?
 * Wikimedia software, parsers, HTML
 * What you seen on the screen

I realise these are whole load of questions which really don't need answering, but I would be very grateful if someone could take the time to point me in the right direction. Cheers, >MinorProphet (talk) 09:24, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I meant to post this at Village pump (technical). Can it be answered here or can it be moved, please? Cheers MinorProphet (talk) 09:28, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , done. — Yours, Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 10:26, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. All questions answered over yonder. MinorProphet (talk) 16:03, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

What should I do about an obvious COI editor that's not responding to help, questions, etc.
I'm not that fluent in such meta stuff over here in the enWP, in my home WP, the deWP I would go to either Vandalismusmeldung or Adminanfragen, thus I'll first ask here:

I have a problem with an editor with an obvious WP:COI, who is very resistant to any outside input. I don't think User:Schatzi0804 is the person itself (Christoph Hartmut Bluth), but either some relation, or someone ordererd to write this article here. They have obviously very little knowledge about the customs in a wikipedia project, are not interacting very constructive with others (in the deWP they have as well waged an edit war in the corresponding article, trying to insert the very undwikipedian english text in the german language article). I've asked stuff on their talk page → nothing. I've asked something on the talk page of the article → it got deleted by them without any real answer. The article got twice removed from the article namespace, there are 2 copies existing in draft and user namespace, still in the original, quite unwikipedian versions. How and where should I deal with such an editor? Grüße vom Sänger ♫ (talk) 12:03, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Well, WP:AN/EW based on is a possible start. Repetedly removing others comments is at least WP:DISRUPT. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:36, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * That's quite a template mess, unfathomable for the non-initiated. Do I have to use all those cryptic templates that mean nothing to me, or can I just use plain text? Grüße vom Sänger ♫ (talk) 12:50, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Someone was faster then me ;) Let's see, whether it helps. Grüße vom Sänger ♫ (talk) 12:55, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , sometimes it does. And if they continue the same way, tell the blocking admin, that often helps (as in they'll get a longer block). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:01, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Left-aligning particular columns
Any quick way to left-align the non-numeric columns (i.e, first and last column) in this table that uses style="text-align:right ? Thanks in advance! Inimesh (talk) 14:48, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * There's probably an easier way, but TemplateStyles should work, with a rule similar to  —Cryptic 16:53, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm unfamiliar with TemplateStyles. But I hope you'll help me with it. I presume we first need to create Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/Nepal medical cases/styles.css and finally drop  into the template's source code? But how did I get started with writing code? Manual:Coding conventions/CSS looks too obscure for me. Inimesh (talk) 03:22, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. TemplateStyles doesn't seem to be all that difficult as I imagined it to be. Thanks, again! Inimesh (talk) 03:26, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

how to do a proper response to a page
I want to change a pageto be my own............

I have people to help me out with the page so I was willing to ask if I could do that.......,.. So I may need your help.....with some things during the process Thank you Yours sincerely — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.114.230.30 (talk • contribs)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia, Asomeleze Manziya. Unfortunally I have to tell you that this action is not possible. Nobody "owns" a Wikipedia page. You neither need a permission from the page creator to edit the page. Howewer, you may need a WP:CONSENSUS or a good source. Further I have to advise you that most Wikipedians prefer communicating on the Wiki rather than emailing. Yours sincerely, Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 15:48, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I have also removed your email for privacy reasons. <b style="color:#CCCC00">Joseph</b><b style="color:#00FF00">2302</b> (talk) 15:52, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 41.114.230.30, if you wish to create a Wikipedia article about yourself, you follow the procedure to create it from the beginning, rather than modifying an existing page to be about you. Please see WP:YOURFIRSTARTICLE.--Quisqualis (talk) 02:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

delete my account
delete my account — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grupo Praedio (talk • contribs) 15:26, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * accounts cannot be deleted on Wikipedia. If you want to use a different account name you can ask to change your username, or since you have no edits besides this you could just create a new account with the name you want. You might also be interested in WP:VANISH. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:29, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

In this wiki article: List of broadband providers in the United Kingdom. So should *every* ISP that operates in the UK be added the list.
I'm new to Wikipedia editing and was wondering if every ISP that operates in the UK should be added to the list in List of broadband providers in the United Kingdom, even the lesser-known ones. And a brief description of the ISP like it is now. (Also, is broadband and internet the same thing?) Any help is appreciated since I'm still learning. LuckyMiner01 (talk) 22:00, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , the question to ask is "are they notable by Wikipedia's standards?" That is, have they been covered significantly by reliable, independent sources? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  22:02, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , ah ok the 'reliable sources' bit makes sense. Thanks. I do have another question, if it's ok to ask in this thread, about a broken/misleading citation on Orange UK, I had already asked a question on it's an articles talk page, but no one else has posted on that for 5 years.
 * Basically (at least) one of the citations just leads to the main page of that website, rather then the page it said (an FAQ page), should this be removed and replaced with ? Thanks. LuckyMiner01 (talk) 22:20, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , if you're able to find the FAQ page that it's supposed to connect to, please replace it. Without more context I'd say yes, remove it and add citation needed. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  23:12, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * No, the broken citation should not be removed. If you cannot find the age it's supposed to connect to, it should have dead link added after the citation, before the closing .  This allows people to search various archives for it, and there is a bot that will sometimes fix those. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 23:15, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I just found an archive of the site on http://archive.is/, but I think I could only get the needed info through a dropdown menu, which opened a new page, which then redirected to the new front page, so I'm pretty sure its now impossible to cite this info, what should I do in this situation? Should I just add, or is there another thing for this situation? Thanks.
 * LuckyMiner01 | I'm new here, so if i make a mistake, please tell me, here, so I can learn from it. 23:49, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , in that case, add dead link for now. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  03:30, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, Thanks and, done that now. Thanks for all your help :) LuckyMiner01 | I'm new here, so if i make a mistake, please tell me, here, so I can learn from it. 11:28, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * A list on Wikipedia is almost always supposed to be a list of things that have an article in Wikipedia. If it's notable enough to have an article, then it should be in the list, but in general this means you should create the article before you put it in the list. Earlier in the project, an editor was encouraged to use a "redlink" to indicate that the editor thought the subject was notable enough for an article and to request that someone write that article. This informal usage can still be found in some of our guidelines, but in practice it is no longer encouraged. I would recommend that if you think an ISP is sufficiently notable, you write its article first and then put it in the list. -Arch dude (talk) 04:27, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

As I understand it the internet is the process of computers talking to each other on phone lines and radio links, aided by satelites. whilst broadband is the way that messages are transmitted over the internet. Broadband came later. However I am not technically minded on this sort of thing. Spinney Hill (talk) 08:41, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * See Broadband. -Arch dude (talk) 14:46, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

How to add/create the Portal namespace for ti.wikipedia
Hello, I am an (interface) administrator of the Wikipedia in Tigrinya, and I would like to know how I can add the Portal: and the Portal_talk: namespaces to that project. Thanks --Joanmp14 (talk) 22:01, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, and Welcome to the english Wikipedia. Unfortunally I have to tell you that interface admins cant add or remove namespaces. This has to be done by one of the few system administrators that have physical access to the server, as you need to change the ini_settings.php of the particular wiki. I tried to check manually, and it seems like the Portal namespace is indeed not configured. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 05:29, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, so I have to ask in Phabricator for them to configure it? --Joanmp14 (talk) 07:15, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * AFAIK yes. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 14:39, 30 July 2020 (UTC)