Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 June 25

= June 25 =

Can I request someone to take a second look at a page I believe is incorrectly formatted?
When reading about Religious Persecution at the Persecution of Christians, the first line seems immediately very unprofessional and is formatted in a very odd mannerism. However, I have no experience with wikipedia whatsoever and fear I may harm the page more than help it. Would it be wrong to contact someone with more experience to resolve the unprofessional segment while still keeping the editor's original intent? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:2B00:8035:600:DD65:A094:8F8A:5A57 (talk) 00:33, 25 June 2020 (UTC)


 * If you're asking about the first line of the article Persecution of Christians, I see no mannerism (other than the customary-within-Wikipedia emboldening of the article title), no odd mannerism, and nothing unprofessional. What, or where, is the problem? -- Hoary (talk) 00:43, 25 June 2020 (UTC)


 * The page called "Religious Persecution", and the section titled "Persecution of Christians". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:2B00:8035:600:DD65:A094:8F8A:5A57 (talk) 02:46, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I reverted those incorrect edits on the Religious persecution article. GoingBatty (talk) 02:57, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Johan Staël von Holstein
on the section of crowd1 you publish negative stuff about crowd1 without knowing really what is its activities even if there's some articles said bad things about crowd1, im here to clear out the misundertanding about those articles, just it, you said too, that crowd is a multi level marketing, just that point, i can tell you that you're wrong so let me edit this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mintsoa (talk • contribs) 04:45, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You are free to edit the page. However, please note that Wikipedia reports on what has been written about a subject in independent, reliable sources. Your edits have been reverted to date, as sourced statements were replaced by unsourced ones which may also have appeared promotional. You should now discuss the edits with the ediotrs who reverted you per WP:BRD. THe best place to discuss or propose changes is at the article talk page and you should WP:PING other involved editors. I will leave some useful information at your talk page. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 06:31, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Moved here from Wikipedia talk:Help desk. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:37, 25 June 2020 (UTC) You said im promoting, when i edited the text, but if i was promoting i could romove those bad articles, but i didn't do that, i just modified and add some thruth about it and with sources, because you said that it was unsourced, i just want to show another view to people avout crowd1 that's it. Mintsoa (talk) 07:05, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The first place to discuss changes is Talk:Johan Staël von Holstein. Please try arguing your point there. -- Hoary (talk) 09:35, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

“Tap to display images”
I read Wikipedia articles to help me fall asleep. For the past month (or so), I’ve had to “tap to display images” to load any pictures, besides the very first, to load see the image. Is there a way to force the images to load? It seems multiple people are having this problem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthonyneri14 (talk • contribs) 07:02, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * One of the previous threads about this topic is here; at the very end of the thread is a suggestion for Safari users. If that doesn't apply to you, perhaps you might ask at WP:VPT or at WP:RD/C. Deor (talk) 14:56, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Making a page
How can I make a page from my made?--Thespacer22 (talk) 10:27, 25 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Welcome to the Teahouse. (I added a header). I don't understand your question, but I will say that creating a Wikipedia article is one of the most difficult tasks in editing Wikipedia, and I always recommend spending some time improving existing articles first. But when you want to try it, your first article will guide you. --ColinFine (talk) 10:54, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Ancestry chart help needed
I need help in modifying an Ancestry chart I made. It's too complicated for me to do this updating. Since I made William_Austin_Burt I have discovered that Richard Burt, Jr.'s father was the first to immigrate to America per this record in this book on page 512.. Can a chart expert modify my chart and put on top a level for Richard Burt senior. That person would then have a down line going to Richard Burt, Jr. Thanks much for this help.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:11, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * P.S. - then of course the line I have of founder of the Burt family in America I would like moved up to be placed under the box for Richard Burt Sr. His box should have under his name and within the box Dorchester, England (to indicate his birth place). Perhaps instead of his birth date (that we don't know anyway) directly under his name, could be immigrated to America 1829. I'll put in then line references needed. I just can not do the box structuring = too complicated! Thanks again.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:52, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I have added the relevant boxes. You will just need to fill in the details for BurtS (W Burt Senior) and BurtW (Burt's wife). Bob1960evens (talk) 16:38, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Great. Thanks a bunch. That is very helpful to me. I think I can pretty much take it from here.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 17:13, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Money out of my account
Why have i had £9.99 taken out of my account Thank you

Mrs A E Walker — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.159.52.220 (talk) 14:45, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * This is not a general Help Desk; this place is only for asking questions related to using Wikipedia. You should probably contact your financial institution for information about your account. 331dot (talk) 14:50, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Promised content
I suspect it's against policy to insert comments like "coming soon" (especially when it's been in an article for over ten years) so I've deleted it diff but I can't find any policy on this. Is there a relevant policy that I can cite if necessary?--Shantavira|feed me 14:56, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not aware of any policy against inserting comments like "coming soon" but in my opinion, you did exactly the right thing by removing them. Thirteen years is not "soon" by any measure. J I P  &#124; Talk 15:16, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:CRYSTAL and WP:NFF. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 17:06, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: WP:NFF is about films, not televison, but some of the ideas within it should be useful. There's probably something at WP:TV that talks about when to include episodes of a "limited series", as this appears to be. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 20:31, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * MOS:DATED and MOS:RELTIME advise against words like "soon" in contexts like this. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 23:06, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Review an article
1. Hi, I need your help in reviewing my article. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:R-CUE) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sriramindia (talk • contribs) 15:19, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The draft was declined, with comments at the top indicating the subject needs more media coverage to demonstrate notability. Also, the verbiage is too promotional - it's not encyclopedic and will have to be addressed even if you find more coverage. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  22:06, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Charitha Pattiaratchi
--Dtrinikodi (talk) 17:47, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you have a question? Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:56, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * just don't add copy-paste materials from websites as you has done here. It causes WP:COPYVIO and page gets eligible to be deleted. ~ Amkgp  💬  18:23, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

How to inquire about a post that appears to be opinion, and not unbiased or neutral?
Hello

How do you ask for a portion of a page to be reviewed if it appears to be an option, and does not follow the Wikipedia guidelines of being verifiable, using reliable sources and that is unbiased?

Thank you KaraLoiacono (talk) 18:10, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You could raise it on the talk page of the article, or tell us here which article it is which would help one of us to put it on the talk page either of the article, or of any project that may have an interest. Britmax (talk) 20:04, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Review WP:OR and then let us know the article name. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  22:01, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Start by explaining exactly what you think is wrong with the article on the article talk page. --Guy Macon (talk) 22:23, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Request for Help formatting in a Quote Box
Can someone help me with the formatting in the Opposition to Prejudice and Racism section? Within the quote box, the 2 paragraphs are separated by 2 breaks -. There is too much space between the paragraphs with 2 breaks. One break will not work if the second paragraph is formatted to be flush left. I tried to do a first-line indent on the second paragraph to denote it was a new paragraph but I couldn't do it. ( a : indents the whole paragraph; using spaces messes up the formatting)

Also, the picture above, which goes with the theatre company section, needs to be moved up a little and made a little smaller. I was not sure of the best way to do that either.

Thank you for your help. I am most concerned with the quote box formatting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesthetic_Realism Lore E. Mariano (talk) 19:24, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * extra breaks removed to minimize spacing; photo moved to right where it's less intrusive TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  22:00, 25 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Lore E. Mariano (talk) 23:00, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Help restoring a page
I need help restoring a page. Harold I. Williams Williamsivy (talk) 20:58, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * - What is the page name? TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  21:51, 25 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, Williamsivy; your article was converted into a draft because it lacked sourcing. You need to find reliable sources for what the draft/article says, and cite them in the article. If you are the subject of the article or are close to the article's subject, you should read Wikipedia's policy on conflict of interest.


 * Finding the above-mentioned sources and adding them as citations, followed by resubmission of your draft, should, following another review, restore your article to mainspace.--Quisqualis (talk) 22:35, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

The English Language
Hello! I'm not here to criticise, but I am English, and misuse of my language is abhorrent to me, to say the least! I do not have any academic qualifications in English, apart from GCE's in English Language and English Literature (1966), at High School. GCE, by the way, stood for General Certificate of Education. Probably the equivalent of a University degree, these days. If you disagree with anything above, please get in touch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WaberJockey (talk • contribs) 21:16, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * WaberJockey, do you have a question about using Wikipedia?--Quisqualis (talk) 21:35, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * WaberJockey, if there are specific errors, by all means you're welcome to correct them, and thank you. (Just keep in mind that "error" does not necessarily mean "not how I would have written it"; as for spelling differences, see WP:ENGVAR. If there is a general problem, the WP:Manual of Style may contain useful info. Herostratus (talk) 21:47, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * User:WaberJockey, we can't do a thing about this if we don't know exactly what is wrong. Please point out specific pages that you think misuse the English language and specifically how they misuse it instead of making blanket statements. J I P  &#124; Talk 23:58, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Can it be proper to pull data from a WP chart to use in another WP article?
I'm trying to improve the Indeterminism article's statement about Quantum Mechanics that non-determinism "is not only a feature of the Copenhagen interpretation... but also of objective collapse theories." That makes it sound like only those two QM interpretations (Copenhagen & O.C.) are indeterminant. However, the Comparison chart in the Interpretations of quantum mechanics article shows that 8 of 14 popular QM interpretations are consistent with indeterminism. Yesterday I asked the Help Desk about the policy regarding Why WP articles shouldn't reference other WP articles and I read all the suggested policy pages. But I could use more help. Can someone help me figure out 1) if summarizing or otherwise presenting info from the QM chart in the Indeterminism article is acceptable, and if so, 2) is there a suggested way of doing that? (The only applicable tip I found was, if doing this is acceptable, then, in the "Edit summary" field, provide the link to the article the material was pulled from.) Bob Enyart, Denver KGOV radio host (talk) 22:37, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, User:BobEnyart. Given that a chart is part of an article, the sourcing rules for a Wikipedia article apply to the chart: a chart in a WP article can't serve as a reliable source, given that it's also user-generated. Instead, the sources cited for the chart content may be used as sources for other WP articles, to avoid circular reasoning.--Quisqualis (talk) 23:26, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Very helpful Quisqualis. That makes sense. Of course, if the chart editors were in error I would be promoting their error by copying some of the chart's particulars. This chart (like many on WP I think) does not have a reference for each cell so that makes source-checking for each value out of reach for the time I have available for this. Thanks! Bob Enyart, Denver KGOV radio host (talk) 23:54, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * A related question: Is it true that I also can't point to or reference that chart somehow? I was thinking of trying to find a creative way to mention it in the article text, appropriately and in context, but really, mostly as a way of bringing readers attention to that other article. I don't think that's acceptable. How about this though... might an entry in: See also, work? Bob Enyart, Denver KGOV radio host (talk) 23:57, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , my suggestion would be to add to the end of the sentence "...but also of objective collapse theories, among others." and wikilink the "among others" to Interpretations of quantum mechanics. Schazjmd   (talk)  00:05, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Done. Thanks Schazjmd! Bob Enyart, Denver KGOV radio host (talk) 12:18, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Repeating links in infoboxes
Could anyone please tell me if it's okay to have more than one link to the same page within in an infobox? The relevant example is one involving the classification of an animal, and it has links for both a monotypic genus name, and the full species name of that genus. Sorry if this should have been asked on the talk page of the article in question, but I figured I'd ask it here in case I came across any other infoboxes like that.--Thylacine24 (talk) 22:49, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * See MOS:REPEATLINK. GoingBatty (talk) 17:32, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I looked at that section, but I forget if it was before or after I asked the question here. Anyway, sorry.--Thylacine24 (talk) 21:49, 28 June 2020 (UTC)