Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 June 28

= June 28 =

Problem when publish
Hello, I am trying to write about a company in Egypt and when I check "show preview" I see this "This article may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, a violation of Wikipedia's terms of use. It may require clean-up to comply with Wikipedia's content policies" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emadody (talk • contribs) 28 June 2020 01:44 (UTC)
 * Which article, or draft, would that be, ? -- Hoary (talk) 04:03, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * If you're referring to the only draft in your edit history, Draft:Ahmed Helmy, it is three sentences with grammar problems and no cites to demonstrate the required notability or for verification of stated facts. This is not even close to what is an acceptable on Wikipedia, which summarizes what reliable, independent, secondary sources have written about a notable (per Wikipedia's standards) encyclopedic subject. It should be written in a formal, even scholarly, WP:TONE with proper formatting, spelling, and grammar, and contain suitable citations to those reliable sources for any non-trivial statements. This is in stark contrast to what many people believe, which is that they can just "open a page" or profile for someone and write whatever they want to tell the world. That's what social media is designed for, not Wikipedia. Please see WP:NOT and WP:YFA for more about this. —[  Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 12:18, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Thomas Michael Greenhow
Please help: On this page   I  have  done  a 3rd  "further reading" reference  from  the Northumberland & Durham Family History Society Journal. It is  in  red. I have  tried  really  hard to get  it  right. Please help. Sorry again   175.33.5.46 (talk) 01:53, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * FWIW the date parammeter should only contain the date not anything else like (as in this case) 'volume' or 'number'. THere were also ref tags which are not required and caused the the link to render incorrectly. Eagleash (talk) 02:35, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Use of sort keys for list articles
How should sort keys be implemented for list articles? For example, should List of Banana Fish episodes include: I read WP:DEFAULTSORT, WP:NAMESORT and WP:SORTKEY, but I can't fully make sense of them. I noticed this issue when looking at, where you can see that inconsistent application has jumbled the listing. NOTE: Please remember to  me when replying. — Goszei (talk) 02:14, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * no  template at all? something else entirely?
 * no  template at all? something else entirely?
 * no  template at all? something else entirely?
 * only affects the listing on category pages. Pages at WikiProject Anime and manga/Quality articles are displayed in the order they are written in the wikitext. I don't know whether JL-Bot uses the DEFAULTSORT value to decide where to write them if they are added by the bot. List articles are usually sorted without "List of" in categories for lists. In other categories it varies so list articles often add sort keys to individual categories like  instead of using DEFAULTSORT. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:52, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Death of Elijah McClain
The Aurora Police department has blocked edits of this page under claims to protect from vandalism.

Elijah Jovan McClain, a 23-year-old African-American massage therapist in Aurora, Colorado, was murdered after police put him in a chokehold and he was injected with ketamine as a sedative by paramedics on the evening of August 24, 2019. An Aurora citizen reported to police that McClain was acting suspiciously wearing a ski mask, although the caller also indicated that he did not believe anyone was in danger, and that he believed McClain was unarmed.

This is unacceptable. Remove this restriction immediately. The police don't get to get away with murdering people by changing the language and prohibiting people from doing the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:6000:130c:c814:6ce4:2085:c8ab (talk • contribs) 28 June 2020 02:47 02:47 (UTC)
 * Bullshit. The article was protected from editing by anonymous editors like yourself by one of our own experienced editors and trusted administrators, User:Wugapodes, because the article had been disruptively edited by a number of anonymous editors, including you, to turn it into an attack article, instead of maintaining a factual tone and stating the facts (sufficiently damning in and of themselves, in my opinion) about the case. If you want to suggest improvements to the article, the place to do that is Talk: Death of Elijah McClain. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  03:12, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The page has been 'protected' from vandalism by Wikipedia, not by any other entity, after multiple edits that were at best unconstructive and also seen as vandalism. If you have changes you wish to see made, you may make an edit rquest at the article talk page. See Template:Request edit for how to do this. Be sure to provide reliable sources to corroborate your request. Eagleash (talk) 03:16, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The reason I gave in the protection summary is persistent disruptive editing, which is different from vandalism; I think that padlock might be misleading but those give pretty broad rationales. Looking through the history, the main issues were neutral point of view and our policy on material relating to living persons. I don't think the issues were bad faith editing, and I actually think many people wanted to help so I understand the OP's frustration. I've created an edit notice for the page which hopefully does a better job of explaining why the page was protected and by whom. But yeah, as others have said the cops had nothing to do with it. — Wug·a·po·des​ 03:48, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

My password
My login password is invalid. I did try through my email but no response. Can someone help how to recover my password please, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:3D09:417B:8500:5922:7DF9:17D8:CA28 (talk) 04:15, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * See Help:Logging in Good luck!  GoingBatty (talk) 06:03, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

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 * To request help with an article on the English Wikipedia, please create a post on the article's talk page in English. GoingBatty (talk) 06:05, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Creations of new profile
Hi, Please create following profile. Company Profile '''Crestokart Crestokart Private Limited,'''  Crestokart is an Indian e-commerce company based in Pune, India. It was founded by Rahul Rathod and Laxman Jadhav in 2020. The company initially focused on product categories such as consumer electronics, fashion,Machinary parts, automotive parts, Cosmetics, Agricultural Products home essentials & groceries, and lifestyle products. The service competes primarily with Ebay,Flipkart,shopcluse,paytm,snapdeal,Amazon's Indian

Background Crestokart is providing all over India,30k plus pin code, categories consumer electronics, fashion,Machinary parts, automotive parts, Cosmetics, Agricultural Products home essentials & groceries, and lifestyle products. Key people •	Rahul Rathod - Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer (CEO) •	Laxman Jadhav - Co-Founder and Chief Business Officer (CBO) Mobile application In 2020, the e-commerce player launched its Android app and for iOS apps sellers, Funding & Investment

See also •	E-commerce in India •	Online shopping •	Retails •	Holsale — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rrathod775 (talk • contribs) 06:00, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I see you have already created Draft:CRESTOKART. Creating a new article on Wikipedia can be quite challenging, especially if you're new to Wikipedia and/or you have a conflict of interest.  If the company meets the criteria at Notability (organizations and companies), you can follow the instructions at Help:Your first article or simply list the company at Requested articles.  GoingBatty (talk) 06:09, 28 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I'm afraid that, like many people, you misunderstand what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia does not contain any profiles - not a single one. it contains articles about notable subjects, including companies; but an article about a company is not a profile because it does not belong to the company, is generally not written by the company, is not controlled by the company, and in some cases may contain material which the company very much does not want to appear. This is because Wikipedia articles are not based on what the subject says or wants to say, but almost entirely on what independent commentators, published in places with a reputation for editorial control and fact checking, have chosen to say about the subject. --ColinFine (talk) 10:57, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Discussing an editor acting in bad faith
Hello, I wanted to raise a particular editor who I feel is acting in bad faith but isn't outright vandalising articles. WP:AIV isn't, therefore, appropriate. Which is the best noticeboard to raise this sort of thing? —  Richard  BB  07:38, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , WP:ANI would probably be the suitable board in this case.  Alex Noble / 1-2 / TRB  10:37, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. —  Richard  BB  10:49, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Re-naming a page
I can't see how to rename my article from "Mojiayan/sandbox" to "Jo King(triathlete)" Mojiayan/sandbox Mojiayan (talk) 08:22, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

@Mojiayan, If you use mobile phone to edit wikipedia, then, you would not be able to move or rename a page. There is a way that you can turn on the "Desktop Site" and then move a page. If you still didn't, then you can say me to rename or move it. Thank you. Empire AS (talk) 13:40, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The page has already been moved by an administrator Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:51, 28 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, moved, to Jo King (triathlete). But you'll probably want to add a hatnote to Jo King, and a mention within the "see alsos" of Joe King. -- Hoary (talk) 08:54, 28 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Incidentally, in future please don't use "Mojiayan/sandbox"; feel free to use User:Mojiayan/sandbox (which I notice already exists). -- Hoary (talk) 08:58, 28 June 2020 (UTC)


 * , you say that she was born in "Portland, Australia": Which one? Also, you should either cite a published source for her marital state and family circumstances, or delete this material. -- Hoary (talk) 09:04, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Changing password & Visual editor
Hi, I'm here for discussing two problems. First is, I'm not able to change my password. I've tried twice or thrice, but it doesn't change and remains the old one. Is it due to that I don't use email address? Second is, I uses visual editor to edit Wikipedia, but it loads very slow. Nearly a month ago, it was finely working. Using visual editor has become time consuming. What has happened to it? Thank you. Empire AS (talk) 08:52, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Thomas Michael Greenhow
There are some  funny  symbols  after  ref  number  46  -  how  do we  remove  them  and  is  there  a  problem  I  should  know  about?
 * Hello Lupton editor! They were inserted in this edit (currently the most recent one). You remove them as you'd remove anything else. BTW, for an article that's ostensibly about "an English surgeon and epidemiologist", this one strikes me as having an extraordinary amount of trivia. I mean, what does it matter who his great-something-something granddaughter is? -- Hoary (talk) 09:54, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Shall we cut back on the trivia - maybe the family  section which  I think  has  too  much  detail  concerning his  children -  what  do you  think?175.33.5.46 (talk) 10:19, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I think yes. Please! -- Hoary (talk) 12:05, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Need help fixing an unusual space around a template
I can't seem to fix this extraneous space here. Please help me out. Regards, Inimesh (talk) 10:13, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I removed some newlines from the template page.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:COVID-19_pandemic_data/Nepal_PCR_tests_by_laboratory&diff=964917999&oldid=964913507] PrimeHunter (talk) 10:39, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Font sizze
I am an avid user and donate yearly but I can not read the small fonts anymore. Please. Advise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:a601:af5d:b000:4c03:d81e:f068:1a55 (talk)
 * You should be able to change font sizes on your browser. Thanks for donating, but you don't need to tell us that you donate, as donations are collected by the Foundation that operates the computers Wikipedia is on, and they don't typically handle day to day operations. 331dot (talk) 10:54, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * In many browsers you can zoom in with, zoom out with , and go to default size with . Holding Ctrl and scrolling the mouse wheel may also zoom. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:56, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You can set the size of that default font, too. In Firefox, it's at about:preferences under Fonts and Colors. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 13:06, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Edit Derry Girls ....it is locked!
Hi

I was wanting to edit the Derry girls reading to say Irish sitcom not British sitcom but the page is locked for editing. Can anyone help with this please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.69.145.141 (talk) 12:44, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * At Talk:Derry Girls you can add a Edit semi-protected template to suggest any changes. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:48, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * There's already a discussion about it at Talk:Derry Girls. Looks like because it was made by British company, that's why it says British. Feel free to discuss there. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:54, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

What if I have an alternative (and trademarked) definition of a term, but a page already exists for that term?
I'm new to Wikipedia, but our company has a term that we are trademarking and we would like to create a page about it, but there is already a page offering a definition of that term. Do we edit that page to say there are two definitions, one by X and the other by Y? do we create a new, separate page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎2001:818:e900:b700:8c5a:d3ca:9a6f:c6dd (talk)
 * If you are editing about your company or its products, you must review and comply with the conflict of interest and paid editing policies and make the appropriate declarations(compliance with the latter policy is a Terms of Use requirement). In essence, you would do both- create a separate article(not just a "page") with a disambiguation in the title(such as "ProductA (TypeA)") and provide a disambiguation link at the top of the existing article, see Bill Clinton for an example of this.
 * However, merely trademarking something does not merit it an article. A topic merits an article if it receives significant coverage in independent reliable sources showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability.  In addition, neologisms do not typically merit articles once created; they must be shown to be in widespread use. 331dot (talk) 16:02, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your detailed reply 331dot, I really appreciate it!

Largest malls in india
Actually LULU mall, kochi is the largest mall in India. But some one hack and edited the content and spreading false news. Please check the fact and make correct the details as soon as possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.210.85.67 (talk • contribs) 28 June 2020 18:41 (UTC)
 * Please provide a link to the article you need help with. We have List of shopping malls in India but it is not certain that is what you are referring to. Whichever article you are interested in editing, you should request changes at its talk page. See Template:Request edit for how to do this and be sure to provide a reliable source to corroborate your information. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 18:57, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I doubt very much that such a claim should be in a Wikipedia article. Even if you find a source that is otherwise reliable, I'll bet that there is at least one other reliable source claiming another mall is "largest". It's too subjective (and promotional, for that matter). Is it based on total land parcel size, total building size, total retail square footage, number of stores, number of visitors, etc.? —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 09:52, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Artist Biography
How to get an artist biography published on wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by An Aggregator (talk • contribs) 28 June 2020 19:06 (UTC)
 * If it's you or someone you know, then by just waiting for someone entirely unconnected to the artist to do it for you. J I P  &#124; Talk 21:04, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Your language "get an artist biography published" sounds as if you believe this is something done for the benefit of the artist. It is not. Wikipedia is not here to advance anybody's career, web presence, or trendingness. It is an encyclopaedia which aggregates already published information about notable subjects. If your artist meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then there could be an article about them. It will not belong to them, they will have no control over its contents, and it should be based almost entirely on what people unconnected with the artist have chosen to publish about them, not on what the artist themselves have said, published or done. --ColinFine (talk) 22:25, 28 June 2020 (UTC)


 * If you mean Draft:XTACY, you should make sure that you are not him, that you're not related to or a friend of his, and that he meets the notability criteria that has linked to. If you've managed to square all of these, then return to augmenting your draft. However, be sure to capitalize only minimally, not like an obsessed Twitter user. -- Hoary (talk) 02:47, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Definition of African-American and Black American
African American should be defined and regarded as

Enslaved people brought from the Continent of Africa entered the Americas without a paper trail documenting their country of origin. People without knowledge or documentation of their country of origin but known to arrived from the Continent Africa causes labeling as African-American more than appropriate. Immigrants arriving from the various Countries within the Continent of Africa should be identified as Nigerian-American, Cameroon-American, Senegal-American etc, the same as those from immigrating from Europe, India, Australia, etc., are identified as Italian-American,Irish American, German-American, etc. Black or White labelling identifies only (so called) skin color not country of origin. Finally, there is only one race, the human race. Differences among human being are manifested in their outside ,i.e., eyes,  skin and hair which enjoys a variety of color and texture and, the many cultural, ethic, religious and clothing variances and practices. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:9001:5F01:59DE:B9CC:6734:1D06:3078 (talk) 20:57, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * If you would like to suggest changes to a Wikipedia article (e.g. African Americans), please post your recommendations on the associated article talk page (e.g. Talk:African Americans), along with reliable sources. Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 21:07, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

How to delete a category page
Turns out that "Zemgale" wasn't a city as I'd thought, so I'm looking to delete the page "Category:Art Nouveau architecture in Zemgale", which I created. Could anyone please tell me how to do this? (Edit: Removed link, since it appeared at the bottom of this page.)--75.110.35.108 (talk) 21:33, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Follow the instructions at Categories for discussion. J I P  &#124; Talk 21:51, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks.--Thylacine24 (talk) 02:14, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * BTW, to refer to a category on a talk page without causing the talk page to be placed in that category, add a colon at the beginning like this: Category:Art Nouveau architecture in Zemgale to produce: Category:Art Nouveau architecture in Zemgale. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 09:57, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for telling me that as well. (Edit: Added reply template.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 22:37, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Presidential candidates for 2020
Why is Jo Jorgensen and Howie Hawkins not on the main page? Why do you have to specifically look up their party's candidate for 2020? That seems disingenuous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:387:4:803::75 (talk • contribs)
 * Not on what page? We can't address your concerns unless we know what article you're talking about. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  22:12, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * They are both on 2020 United States presidential election which is the only meaningful interpretation of "the main page" in this context. They are not in the infobox but they are both in the lead and later sections. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:32, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * There are certain criteria to be listed in the infobox, this is described on the article talk page. Off the top of my head I believe a candidate must be polling with at least 5% of the vote to be in the infobox before the election, or have gotten 5% of the vote or at least one electoral vote afterwards. 331dot (talk) 08:35, 29 June 2020 (UTC)