Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 June 9

= June 9 =

i am music video editor how can i add my own page on wikipedia
i am music video editor, i am work with punjabi, canadian artist's i trying to add my work or profile on wikipedia can anyone help me ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wahidpuria (talk • contribs) 05:30, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a social media site with profiles; it is an encyclopedia with articles on subjects which meet its definition of notability.  Please read the advice against autobiography. --David Biddulph (talk) 05:34, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

AfD topic alerts
Is there a bot, or script,  that can be run to leave talk page alerts when articles in certain genres/ topics etc are nominated for AfD? —— Serial # 09:10, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe User:AAlertBot or Article alerts? Not sure though. OkayKenji (talk page) 04:52, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for that, I've never seen that bot before! Cheers. I wonder if it's only for projects though; , can it report to individual talk pages too?  ——  Serial # 08:56, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Not sure I understand the question, but feel free to peruse WP:AALERTS/SUB and see if that answers it. If not, feel free to ask at WT:AALERTS. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:25, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

HELP NEEDED!
Can someone please run me to a live session on how to make a Wikipedia page as it is too confusing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pune Gasparts (talk • contribs) 10:19, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has articles, not mere "pages". Successfully creating a new article is indeed the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia.  I might suggest that you read Your First Article and use the new user tutorial to learn more about how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content.  You might also try spending time editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for the process. 331dot (talk) 10:33, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hoping, of course, that it's nothing to do with  ;)   ——  Serial # 12:41, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Adding a person to Wikipedia
How can i add a name to this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Don320 (talk • contribs) 18:16, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You can add a new article about any notable person, by our definition of notable (WP:N). Most people are not notable. We will delete any article whose subject is not notable. Really. Don't waste your time unless you are satisfied the subject is notable.. After you have established that your subject is notable, proceed to WP:YFA to learn how to create the article. Almost all lists of names in our articles only allow names of people who have articles, so do not add the name of a person without an article or it will be deleted. -Arch dude (talk) 18:37, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

How to check on a username change
Hello, thank you for your time. I'm trying to find an answer to my request for a username change. I did find a history of when I asked for the name change, but I'm unclear on the response by a Robot clerk note that there were no problems found, yet my username is still the same.

I'm also unclear if once the username has changed then does my log in immediately change? and does it keep the same password as the old username. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MeaningfulCoaching (talk • contribs) 18:42, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Since your request is still listed at Changing username/Simple, the request has not been completed yet. GoingBatty (talk) 20:15, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

From Draft to Live process / assistance
I started a wiki page for information about a nonprofit offering services, tools, and assistance to voters. I put up a draft however would like to go live so I can continue to make edits and allow the community to add details as well on the live site. Please point me in the right direction to enable the wiki page to go live. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:GoVoteMiami,_Inc Thank you, Jonscottcorp — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonscottcorp (talk • contribs) 18:49, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * It is obviously not yet fit to go live, as it has no references to published reliable sources independent of the subject to prove its notability under Wikipedia's definition. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:00, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, . The draft is "live" in the sense that anybody in the world can see it if they know to look, and contribute to it if they choose. But drafts are not accepted into the encylclopaedia until they meet our minimum requirements for an encyclopaedia article. If you moved your draft to main space now, it would very quickly get either deleted, or perhaps moved back to draft. Please see WP:NCORP and WP:CITE, and remember that Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the subject of an article says (or wants to say) about themselves: it is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject (in reliable places). Also note that Wikipedia may not be used for promotion, no matter how worthy the cause may be. --ColinFine (talk) 20:44, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

I added the updates. Is it compliant to go live? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonscottcorp (talk • contribs) 22:03, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * If you were to submit the draft for review right now, it would be rejected. Your draft just tells about the organization. Wikipedia articles must do more, they must summarize what independent reliable sources say about an organization, indicating how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization.  Wikipedia is not interested in how the organization describes itself or in what it considers to be its own mission, it is only interested in what others say about the organization.  You list some links to what appear to be stories about or related to the organization, but in reading the article text they don't seem to be mentioned and the text reads as a promotional brochure for the organization.  You may wish to read Your First Article for more information.
 * I will add the submission information so you can submit it at a later time after you have worked on it some more- but again you shouldn't submit it yet. 331dot (talk) 22:22, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * If you are associated with this nonprofit, you must review and comply with conflict of interest and paid editing. 331dot (talk) 22:23, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * I will add, that your urgency, and some of the things you say about your article, suggest to me that you are here not to build an encyclopaedia, but to use Wikipedia to publicise your cause. Please see NOTSOAPBOX. --ColinFine (talk) 09:27, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Colin- I am not interested in writing a whole detailed portfolio of information regarding the cause. I am passionate about non-profits, the constitution, and the importance of voting. I would like to create a simple page for a bipartisan non-profit I am not directly connected to however I support their cause. I believe they deserve to have a spot on wiki for the community to contribute. I hope more information is contributed from the community and public than from myself. I wanted to just get it up however to be compliant and to be approved to publish, I was required to add more details and references. I am bipartison as well and I believe it is important to be helpful and to provide information without bias which is what intrigues me about this organization. Please advise if I need to make any more adjustments for it to go live. Once its live, I will leave it up to the public to edit, maintain, and contribute. Sincerely, Jonscottcorp


 * Hello again, . I am replying here rather than replying to your email: generally discussions about Wikipedia are public, and are carried out on talk and project pages (like this one). If you ping me (as I have you here), and sign your posts (with four tildes ~ ), I will be notified with a link to the posting, whereas in this case I had to go looking for the posting.
 * I still think you are not understanding what Wikipedia is. Nobody and nothing "deserves a spot" on Wikipedia, because nobody and nothing "has" an article on Wikipedia. Rather, Wikipedia has articles about notable subjects. They do not belong to their subjects, they are not for the benefit (or the detriment) of their subjects, and their content generally does not come from the subject, but from independent commentators. While anybody may contribute to Wikipedia, contributions from people who do not understand how Wikipedia works (and its need for information to be sourced reliably) often get rapidly removed, leading to disappointment or worse. Whle creating an article "for the community to contribute" could potentially get more people editing Wikipedia, my concern is that we would effectively have a whole crowd editing with a conflict of interest, and probably nobody would get satisfaction.
 * The organisation sounds like something that I would support if I were in the area; but with my Wikipedia hat on, I am only interested in whether or not it is notable, and whether the article is appropriately written, viz, a neutral summary of what independent reliable sources say about the organisation. --ColinFine (talk) 21:54, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Jonscottcorp (talk) 07:05, 12 June 2020 (UTC) Hi Thank you for your continued assistance. I apologize for the incorrect verbiage utilizing the word "deserve". I have now updated the article on the notable subject of voting in america and the non-profit making a huge impact in the community regarding voting, awareness, tools, and helping more people eligible to vote access the needed resources to meet deadlines and be voter ready. I reviewed other wiki pages such as Nonprofit_VOTE and Project_Vote which are live and I am trying my best to follow your direction. I am hoping with the new adjustments, this article can be approved to go live. It now has more details and references than other wiki pages and the article is about a non-profit making a difference in the community with big accomplishments for just being created in 2018. They are working with the government and are increasing voter turnout. I also only provided details and facts without my opinion in the article. I appreciate your insight and assistance.
 * You say you are not "directly" connected to this nonprofit. Are you indirectly connected?  I ask this because the draft still reads as a promotional piece for the organization. Increasing and helping voting is certainly a noble cause, but Wikipedia is not for telling the world about noble causes. That's what social media is for.  Much like the Project Vote article you mention, your draft should only summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage state about the organization. Please review the definition of a notable organization for more information. 331dot (talk) 08:01, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I am not connected to the organization other than wanting to write about it and contribute information and awareness about it. If this is considered indirectly connected, please let me know and I will rephrase it. I started off creating the wiki page listing facts similar to Nonprofit_VOTE, Vote.org , U.S._Vote_Foundation . I read the guidelines and tried to follow the same format as the other non-profits active on wiki. If it looks like a promotional page that would be because each time I created an edit, I was told that more information, cites, and details were required so I kept adding information to meet the requirements. 1st The page had the same amount of detail as other non-profits. Then I was told that I need to keep adding more so I did. I apologize if there is something I am missing in the process. I am reading the guidelines, following advice, and I am making every possible effort to be compliant. Please let me know if any more changes are needed in order to request for it to be active. Thank you JonscottcorpJonscottcorp (talk) 19:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Article on company or it's products?
Alright, so there's this company I want to write an article on, the thing is, reliable sources only ever talk about the company's products and not the company itself. WP:PRODUCT says that it's recommended that any information on a company's products should be in the article of the company rather than then having "multiple stubs about each individual product", but I don't want to create an article on a company just to have it be primarily about the company's products as per WP:OFFTOPIC. Likewise, I'd rather not create a "List of products manufactured by " as per WP:NOTDIRECTORY. So what's my course of action?Americanfreedom (talk) 19:33, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * For the Acme company, if Acme's products are notable, then "Acme products" would be an acceptable article. It's not a list. However, I'm skeptical that the products will be notable. You would need to meet WP:N, finding multiple independent substantial references in reliable sources that are independent of the source. As a separate issue, if you are associated with the company please read and adhere to WP:COI. If you are being compensated by the company in any way, you must comply with WP:PAID. If your username is the name of a company, you must change it (WP:USERNAME). -Arch dude (talk) 20:34, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * If the products would all amount to nothing more than stubs, then perhaps start the article as "list of X products", fleshing out the descriptions, pictures, etc as you go. At some point it may make sense to fork them off, or alternately if it is comprehensive and well sourced, you may have a FL on your hands. CrowCaw 22:19, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

It seems to me that a company is normally only notable for what it does. In the case of a manufacturing company it can only be notable for its products or possibly for the way it treats its its workers or because it is the only source of employment in a particular place. Such a company that has just been set up and is not yet in production would not yet be notable. The exceptions to this would be perhaps be if it intended to produce a totally new product that doesnt yet exist or was involved in some sort of scandal or was an "engine for fraud." I think a company that was owned by or led by a well known figure such as President Trump or Ringo Star would not in itself be notable.Spinney Hill (talk) 09:05, 10 June 2020 (UTC)Spinney Hill (talk) 09:03, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

When Can I Post Pages?
What are the basic protocols for being able to post a new page?

I've met 10 edits so far - ranging from small tweaks to a couple sentences. Is there a certain ranking you must achieve before having this ability? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jthorp72 (talk • contribs) 21:40, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, you can usually start creating articles when your account is 4 days old and has made 10 edits. See User_access_levels for different user access levels. If your account is not confirmed or autoconfirmed yet then you can still create an article at Articles_for_creation and your article will be reviewed Pi (Talk to me!)  21:46, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Even if you are technically able to create articles (not just "page") yourself, it is strongly advised that you use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for review by another editor, so you find any problems before the article is formally a part of the encyclopedia, instead of afterwards when it will be treated more critically. Many don't realize that successfully creating a new Wikipedia article is the absolute hardest thing to do on Wikipedia.  It's good to have some other eyes on your work for the first attempt. 331dot (talk) 22:26, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Need help with this article
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Athar_Siddiqui — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shayarwazir (talk • contribs) 23:53, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You have 8 references that do not have footnotes within the draft. I suggest you summarize the content of those web pages in your draft, and move the references accordingly.  GoingBatty (talk) 02:49, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

I was rudely spoken to by one of your main editors:
My son's father Adam Stanger, all of his information is basically wrong... and there is no mention of too much truthfulness... Adam doesn't use the computer and so I was fixing things and adding missing information including the fact that he has never been African American, he is Panamanian and American. Also there is a lot of wrong information regarding about his touring with Jerry Cantrell. He was hired with his band, "Comes With The Fall" to do double duty and was thrown off of the tour two different times, because they were feeding him drugs... on top of that... His son, CoryAdam Rogers/Stanger deserves to be recognized as a part of his life. I don't appreciate some person that didn't even see or live what went on to try and write fiction and I'm so glad I only gave money to you guys once, because as far as I can see, you have a rude bunch of morons running this site. I will not take this lightly and I don't care if I'm banned. You all want to write a fake write up on a musician rather than the truth. He's done more than you're giving him credit for and I am going to just tell people that your page is the worst place to look for information. As I came across another one of my exes and I'm not even mentioned and was with him for over 4 years. So, good luck with your fictional information. I don't want to be famous, but Adam's son does deserve to be mentioned as he is his only living child and was introduced at the Hard Rock Cafe' by Jerry Cantrell, himself, as part of the line-up that night ( our son )... So, why don't you all work on your rude factor before you hand out your badges to idiots with no knowledge of the truth.

Jeniffer Rogers — Preceding unsigned comment added by MsAndruGibb (talk • contribs) 23:57, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Courtesy link to page in question, Adam Stanger. OkayKenji (talk page) 05:25, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Basically, a WP-article on any topic is meant to be a summary of what WP:Reliable sources (as defined by WP) has written about it. And with articles about living people (WP:BLP), we are meant to be very picky that anything in the article is well reffed. If you can get onboard with that, you may be able to have some influence on the contents of the article. However, you should also look at WP:COI. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:23, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Giving money to the Wikimedia Foundation helps it pay for servers, facilities, and staff. None of that has anything to do with us "morons", who are here to build a free encyclopedia, just as you're supposed to be. It's hard to feel any desire to help you when you come here calling us morons (also see WP:NPA). —[  Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 17:31, 10 June 2020 (UTC)