Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 March 3

= March 3 =

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input
hey! i was wondering how to site a source I have recently edited. One of the facts in the article about neighborhood borders was wrong, and i changed it. But how do i cite this new change? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daniel Mutto (talk • contribs) 01:55, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't understand your question, I'm afraid. But when I look at your edits, I see that you added " " where you wanted the index number for a reference to appear, and you added a link to the NYT where you wanted that to appear. That was well meant, but it's not how the system works. Instead, add " " instead of (and in the place of) " " . (Don't use the "nowiki" tags I'm using here, and use two single quotes -- not a double quote -- to turn italics on or off.) Don't add anything where you want the reference to appear -- Wikipedia's software will move that there for you. -- Hoary (talk) 02:30, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Old logo
Hi I ask to change the Stockholm university SU log on this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_University and someone did it but now the old is back. That log is old and have to be changed. Please change it and let the new one be there. I been a member for to short time and can´t change it. But I am an intern att SU Communication section and they told me that it has to be changed. If you want you can add one at SU Swedish Wik too. https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholms_universitet Please help me this is important. FannyFranzén94 (talk) 09:48, 3 March 2020 (UTC)


 * When you say "log" or "logg", I guess you mean "logo". If I'm wrong, please correct me. Here is the "history" of the article. Choose one version that has the correct logo, and, below this comment of mine, provide the link to it. Also, provide a link to a web page of SU that uses this logo. Then we'll know for sure which logo is appropriate.


 * More generally, you should not change the article (other than in order to counter obvious vandalism), because you are employed by SU and therefore have a conflict of interest. In future, please use Talk:Stockholm University to ask for changes to the article. Additionally, please note on your user page that you are employed by SU. -- Hoary (talk) 10:01, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

How to mark edits as minor in mobile version
I am unable to mark edits as minor in mobile version. Is there a way to mark edits as minor in mobile version?-- SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 10:14, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * You can do that by using "desktop view," there's a link at the bottom to change to that. – Ammarpad (talk) 10:49, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * You'll find a lot of things only work in the desktop view, . However, as someone recently reminded me - mobile view is a feature, not a bug. It could be something worth opening a ticket about as I'll admit I'd never thought about it previously. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:08, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I think there is already a Phab task, but it might take me a while to find it. I would also like to note that the various editing interfaces (mobile wikitext, mobile visual, app) are highly inconsistent in how they handle edit summaries.  The issue was also mentioned during development of "Advanced Mobile Contributions" (AMC), but was not addressed.  Pelagic (talk) 12:37, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

content
I’d like to figure out how to edit content in an article on television channels to show only series only from the USA particularly in the case of Sky One. Is this possible? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:7C74:800:98A9:192F:B8C4:E602 (talk) 11:21, 3 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Do you want to delete mention in the article Sky One of all non-US content? Or do you just want your computer/phone/etc not to display it? - Hoary (talk) 13:28, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Fair Use picture for DYK article
Can a Fair Use picture be used in a Did You Know article? I know it can be used in a regular article that is not a DYK. I assume if it can be used it in a DYK article, it would not be available to be used in the hook - am I correct? From time to time I come across a situation where I want to create a DYK article, but can not find a copyright free picture on the subject I am writing about. Thanks for help. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:57, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Having it in the article is fine (provided the correct license terms are agreed). However, this cannot be used in the hook. The reason for this (and, I'm sure others) is the minimality of fair use images; that we should only use them for specific purposes. Putting this image onto the front page of wikipedia is above this meaning. However, you do not have to publish an image for the DYK hook (if we have a 8 hook set, 7 will not need an image). Whilst it's good to have images for hooks, it's not a requirement. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:03, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * - Thanks, that answered my question perfectly. I'm glad to see someone this knowledgeable on the Help desk. BTW, I will be nominating two articles for Good Articles in about a week after I do some final upgrading tweaking. Raymond W. Bliss and William Morrison (chemist).--Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:19, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * That's great news. The GA process can take some time, but if you need some pointers, please drop me a talk page message. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:28, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

putting note on a page to highlight an error
hi all

how do i put a note on a page to highlight an error. due to work I do not have time to actually edit and replace with the correct information

thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.166.35.171 (talk) 13:54, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The easiest thing you can do is post on the article talk page, detailing what the error is. There are maintenance tags that you can add, but digging through them to find the right one for your issue would possibly take just as long as fixing the error yourself. It's easier to add them with an account because you can use Twinkle to do so. 331dot (talk) 14:03, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Ok perfect! Thanks and have done! [ for what it worth concerned that Piper species [ black peppers ] are not Capsicum species! :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.166.35.171 (talk) 14:36, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

account removal
Please remove (and confirm ) my login account.

Franky Leeuwerck — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiAlesis (talk • contribs) 15:12, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Accounts cannot be deleted/removed; this is for both technical and legal reasons. If you no longer wish to use it, just abandon it. 331dot (talk) 15:14, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Brian jackson
I have edited my grandads information that someone has put online about him as the information is misleading and incorrect including his name ! This has been changed several time for someone to change it again this is very frustrating as it wrong, if this is the case how can we as a family have this information removed please — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarahconifers1 (talk • contribs) 15:38, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia summarizes what appears in independent reliable sources about article subjects- in this case, your grandfather. We can't just take your word for information, as that is extremely hard to verify. If the sources currently in the article are giving incorrect information, you will need to either take that up with them, or offer your own independent sources with the correct information. If the article does not say what the sources say, then it can easily be fixed.  As you have a conflict of interest, you should request edits on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 15:42, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Information is incorrect and misleading about my grandfather I have tried to correct this information several times for it to be changed again, I now have someone saying they are going to report me I’m Unsure why that is when I’m only wanting to put the correct information on there including his name being spelt wrong I’m new to Wikipedia and only joined to try and put information correct, I would appreciate help on how this can be achieved please, thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarahconifers1 (talk • contribs) 15:48, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Please see my comment above. If you wish to reply, just click "edit" in the section header or at the top of the page, do not click "new section" or otherwise open up a new question. 331dot (talk) 15:52, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey @ the user is on mobile and the reply function doesn't work correctly from personal experience. Additionally they don't seem to grasp Ownership of content and NPOV Thepenguin9 (talk) 16:00, 3 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Re: Brian Jackson (footballer, born 1933). This seems to be about whether his middle name is Harvie or Harvil, neither of which can be found in any of the accessible cited sources (or anywhere else that does not appear WP:CIRCULAR at first glance). I've removed the middle name from the lead and infobox. —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 22:22, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

blocked from editing
I was contemplating editing a page, adding some information, got called away so closed down my computer. WHen I returned to edit there was a message saying I had been banned from editing until 2022!!! I logged off and a few days later tried to log on with the same outcome ... What is all that about, given I hadn't even started editing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.252.67.205 (talk) 16:01, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * There is no block on your IP address, as you wouldn't have been able to post here. 331dot (talk) 16:06, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * By "logged off" and "logged on", were you logging in/out with an account you had created? If yes, then I presume your account was blocked.  I can look into the reason, but I'd need to know the name of the account.  If you were not logging in/out of an account, then I presume it was a dynamic IP address and you had one that had been blocked some time in the past but since then your IP address has changed to the one you just used to post this question.  Useight (talk) 16:21, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Old Picture
Hello - I have a question on how to remove an old picture from Wikipedia's files. I have the individual page updated Treasurer Kelly Schmidt but there is still an old picture out there when you do a search. How do I get rid of that old picture? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_Schmidt (correct Picture) https://www.google.com/search?q=kelly+schmidt&rlz=1C1GKLO_enUS826US826&oq=Kelly+&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j0l3j69i60l3.663j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 (Old picture)

Thank you Danielle — Preceding unsigned comment added by NorthDakotaTreasurer (talk • contribs) 16:07, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I have posted information on your user talk page about changing your username; your username cannot be that of a position or office(like the Treasurer's office in North Dakota). Please submit a request for a change of username per those instructions. You will also need to read about conflict of interest and paid editing as you have some required disclosures to make.  Thanks 331dot (talk) 16:09, 3 March 2020 (UTC)


 * 331dot is right to focus on the most important issue,, but to answer your question: you don't. You have replaced the photo in the article Kelly Schmidt, and that is all that you can do. The old picture is still in Wikimedia Commons at commons:File:Treasurer Schmidt Headshot blue 2016.jpg, and will remain there unless and until somebody calls for its deletion according to Commons' deletion policy. Google will presumably catch up with the change to the article at some point, but its operation is completely outside Wikimedia's control. --ColinFine (talk) 17:09, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, archive websites will retain copies of that image, along with the rest of the article as it stood on certain days, in perpetuity. - Arjayay (talk) 20:30, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

please my account Gmail
Please backup cookes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.59.208.34 (talk) 16:47, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

I am unsure what exactly you are asking for. If you need to change email settings for your Wikipedia account, then see here  after logging into it. If you want to create an account, see here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RealSanix (talk • contribs) 17:19, 3 March 2020 (UTC)


 * If, on the other hand, your question is about gMail, cookies, or backups, you're in the wrong place. This is the Help Desk for people with questions about using or editing English Wikipedia. —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 22:25, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

My article got rejected, but I want to submit it again
Hello -

My article recently got rejected for noting have notable sources. I have gone in a fixed a lot of my sources as well as added additional detail. Now, how can I resubmit my article again. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lwilliamson (talk • contribs) 17:23, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

From what I can tell, it seems that many of the revised sources still relate to the company in a passing way (Nintendo lawsuit, having the 10 millionth patent, etc). Only a few directly talk about the company. I would recommend finding a few more non-passing references to this company before sending it into mainspace. Also, you may want to ask for another review afterwards to correct any other issues. Have a good day! RealSanix (talk) 17:37, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Draft:Munck Wilson Mandala has been declined five times, each time because it failed to provide evidence that its subject is notable. Today it was rejected. That is more serious than declined. It means that, in the reviewer's opinion, the problem is not just with the draft failing to provide evidence of notability; it's that the subject simply isn't notable, and there's nothing you, or anyone else, can do about it. If you persist in submitting it, the subject may be salted, meaning that no article on the subject can be created without the permission of an administrator. Maproom (talk) 18:04, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Maproom, the two submissions in November were not from me. --Lwilliamson (talk) 20:44, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. So, how do I go about getting my article "salted" ? --Lwilliamson (talk) 20:22, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Why would you want to prevent someone else, if they can find the sources to prove that the subject is notable, writing an article? - Arjayay (talk) 20:28, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

What? --Lwilliamson (talk) 20:41, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * 'Salting' the page means that no one outside of Adminstrators will be able to create the article. You cannot request that an article be salted as a form of 'protection'. Salting exists as a way of stopping non-notable content being submitted over and over again (see WP:TE). It would stop you and other editors from creating the page even if notability could be established. Please also see WP:OWN, if at some point in the future an article were to be accepted it would not be 'your' article but Wikipedia's page about the subject. Eagleash (talk) 20:59, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Okay, how would I go about getting an administrator to create my article. Lwilliamson (talk) 21:10, 3 March 2020 (UTC) I did not realize you only got 5 tries to submit your article, the original two weren't even mine. Each time notability was questioned I found new articles. I really want to get this law firm up on Wikipedia. I would really appreciate any sort of guidance. Thanks again! Lwilliamson (talk) 21:18, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think you've quite grasped the situation. Multiple experienced editors have found the subject to be not suitable for Wikipedia. (I have only looked at it briefly myself and don't feel able to comment on that aspect). Therefore it will not be accepted into the encyclopedia, no Admin. is likley to create it and if it ends up being salted it will be to stop both you (mainly you) and others from pointlessly re-submitting it. Why do you 'really want' to get this article into Wikipedia? Do you have some connection to the subject. If so you need to read both WP:COI and WP:PAID (the latter is mandatory under the terms of use) and make the necessary declarations. Whatever the situation, please respond to the question about any connection here. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 21:41, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

This company has been around for more than 20 years without a Wikipedia page and yes I do have a connection to the subject, I work at the law firm. Lwilliamson (talk) 21:58, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * plenty of companies have been round for far more than 20 years without a Wikipedia page (or, as I think it is more helpful to put it, "without Wikipedia having an article about them". In some cases this will be because nobody has been inspired to write an article about them. In far more cases it is because the company does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability: essentially, that several people, wholly unconnected with the subject and unprompted by them, have chosen to write and some length about the subject, and been published somewhere (wholly unconnected with subject and) with a reputation for editorial control and fact checking. --ColinFine (talk) 22:20, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, makes sense, its just unfortunate. --Lwilliamson (talk) 22:24, 3 March 2020 (UTC) Hopefully I will get an opportunity to try again. Thanks for your input. Lwilliamson (talk) 22:26, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * from what you say, some unfortunate employee at Munck Wilson Mandala was asked to create a Wikipedia article about them, and understandably failed. Now they have ordered you to do it, and you have done your best but failed again, and it has been indicated by the "reject" message that you have no chance of success, you're just wasting everyone's time. I would take this as an opportunity to point out to your boss that the task assigned to you is hopeless, showing them this thread if necessary, and ask for permission to do something more useful. Maproom (talk) 00:02, 4 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I have no connection with this firm or article, but I did a search on Newspapers.com, and the only mentions I found were, as has been pointed out, really peripheral. The principals of this firm should concentrate on doing something that would make WP: Reliable sources want to write an in-depth article about it. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 00:55, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! Lwilliamson (talk) 17:51, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

is there a way to automatically collapse the table of contents?
is there a way to automatically collapse the table of contents? i.e., it would be included in the entry, but it would remain collapsed by default, unless a user clicked the link to expand it? please ping me when you reply. thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 20:14, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * (updated) This in your common.css should do the trick – Thjarkur (talk) 22:05, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * thanks, . but one question, wouldn't that do so only for my own user page? I was asking this question in order to find out about using this for a regular mainspace article, and for other users as well. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 22:07, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Aha, I misunderstood, Moxy's solution is correct. – Thjarkur (talk) 22:19, 3 March 2020 (UTC)


 * - Template:TOC hidden see also Template:TOC limit.-- Moxy 🍁 22:15, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * well, that's good to know. thanks, ! and thanks, !! --Sm8900 (talk) 22:20, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * hey guys, guess what. turns out that this template is disabled from working in mainspace!!! weird, isn't that? here ya go, take a look at this talk page section. Template talk:TOC hidden ah, well. well, anyway, I sure appreciate your offering the info, regardless!!! I still learned something new here. I appreciate it. thanks, !! --Sm8900 (talk) 22:29, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

I need help creating an article
Hi, all article creation tutorials I've found involve a red link but what if the article you want to create, in this case an article for an album by a musical artist, redirects back to the artist's main page? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jskaye13 (talk • contribs) 21:29, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for wanting to add to it. Go ahead and create a draft using the wizard at WP:YFA.  After the draft is reviewed, then it can be moved over the redirect.  RudolfRed (talk) 21:36, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Fake news:
This is a fairly new site and also has a Facebook page. Pjm2000 (talk) 22:51, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * https://www.facebook.com/groups/767696693721007/?notif_id=1583254565994527&notif_t=group_r2j_approved&ref=notif
 * https://montanadailygazette.com/


 * If you're saying that the "Montana Daily Gazette" is a purveyor of fake news, you're at the wrong place. Please go to WP:RSN. If on the other hand you are looking for help, then what help do you want? -- Hoary (talk) 23:37, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Question re using semi-colon as a header formatting item
Hi. sorry, here is another question. where is the help page that describes or documents the use of the semi-colon to create a heading? in other words, the ability to use this text:

;Article heading

to generate this formatted text?


 * Article heading

I appreciate it. i searched for this, but I don't seem to be able to find it. i appreciate any help. thanks!

by the way, if there isn't a specific page, I had another question; is it possible to generate sub-headings of different levels, using this technical feature? e.g. by using two semi-colons? just curious. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 22:51, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * MOS:HEADINGS. In short, don't do that.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 22:56, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * actually, believe it or not, it turns out that i was using it correctly. this page Manual_of_Style/Lists says the semi-colon is only used for adding formatting to lists, not for formatting articles. well, actually. that happens to be the only thing that I was using it for. I do appreciate your very helpful reply on this. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 23:00, 3 March 2020 (UTC)


 * ...Help:Section....but my guess is you want ...see Help:HTML in wikitext.-- Moxy 🍁 23:02, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think so, that markup doesn't work as written and when written correctly, adds a heading to the TOC.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 23:27, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * thanks, !!! I took a look, and I think that may be exactly what I need. thanks!, thanks for your info as well. I will go step by step, and make sure it works. thanks, both of you!!! cheers!! --Sm8900 (talk) 02:40, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Article will need update after a certain date, e.g. publishing date, release date, etc.
Is there a tag that can be put on an article for something like an author where they have a book that is coming out and the publication needs to be changed from the future tense to the past tense? Polly Samson has a book coming out in April and I'd like to get the comment in the article about her to be updated then. † dismas †|(talk) 23:26, 3 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Not that I know of. Incidentally, you don't provide a reference for "Samson's next novel, A Theatre for Dreamers, is due to be published on 2 April 2020 by Bloomsbury Circus." And 2 April is very soon; why not just zap this sentence and restore it (amended as appropriate) four weeks from now? -- Hoary (talk) 23:34, 3 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Look at Show_by_date. Looks like this can be used for what you want, showing two versions of the text depending on the date. RudolfRed (talk) 23:58, 3 March 2020 (UTC)


 * There is also Update after, but you don't want to use this much... you give it a date, and after that date a notice will appear that the material needs updating. The problem with this is that it requires another editor to do the updating work by hand. For your situation, Show_by_date looks better, atho the problem with that is, what if the event (in this case, publication) is delayed for some reason. Herostratus (talk) 01:01, 4 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Unless there has been significant independent discussion of an upcoming book, I do not believe that it belongs in a Wikipedia article at all. Putting it in in the absence of such discussion looks very like promotion to me. Leave it out until it has been published, and if it gets reviewed in significant places it will be worth adding to the article. --ColinFine (talk) 09:54, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks all.

To be clear, I didn't add the info to the article. I just have it on my watchlist. I actually trimmed it down from what the original editor to add it put in.

I'll take a look at Show_by_date.

I don't want to make more work for another editor after the publication but figured there might be a better way other than putting a reminder on my personal calendar to go back to the article.

And I don't agree that it shouldn't be mentioned at all. Samson is a notable author and the rest of her books are listed in her bibliography, why exclude this or any other book?

Thanks again, † dismas †|(talk) 17:10, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Adding articles/papers where a book was referenced
The article I wrote has been rejected on the following grounds - “This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.”

I have found the book referenced in the following articles/ academic papers but am not sure how to include them in the content. Should I just mention these at the end with the references despite them not adding to the article?

The medical AI insurgency: what physicians must know about data to practice with intelligent machines, by D. Douglas Millar https://www.nature.com/articles/s41746-019-0138-5

Why we’re failing to regulate the most powerful tech we’ve ever faced, by Gary Grossman Edelman https://venturebeat.com/2020/02/01/why-were-failing-to-regulate-the-most-powerful-tech-weve-ever-faced/

What Will Really Determine the Winner of the U.S.-China Rivalry Over A.I.?, by Annie-Marie Slaughter https://slate.com/technology/2019/03/united-states-china-rivalry-artificial-intelligence.html  In this interview with MarTech CCO, he mentions he is reading Big Nine https://martechseries.com/mts-insights/interviews/martech-interview-with-henry-iversen-cco-and-co-founder-at-boost-ai/   Nationalism is not our biggest threat, technology is, by James Poulus https://thefederalist.com/2019/04/29/nationalism-not-biggest-threat-technocracy/

Dessertation - Ideological Misalignment in the Discourse(s) of Higher Education: Comparing University Mission Statements with Texts from Commercial Learning Analytics Providers https://scholarworks.boisestate.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2754&context=td  Open-Sourcing Civil Society, by Vlad Tarko https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-34937-0_10

Essay- Opportunities and Risks for Citizen Science in the Age of Artificial Intelligence Authors: Luigi Ceccaroni, James Bibby, Erin Roger, Paul Flemons, Katina Michael, Laura Fagan, Jessica L. Oliver https://theoryandpractice.citizenscienceassociation.org/articles/10.5334/cstp.241/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tienasekharan (talk • contribs) 23:39, 3 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Work them into the article. See for example "Literary studies", within the article on Morris Bishop: each paragraph attempts to summarize one or more reviews of one of Bishop's books. Not working these mentions into the article you're working on, and instead just presenting a list, will leave readers wondering why they should click any of them, and will do little or nothing to make the book you're writing about seem noteworthy. -- Hoary (talk) 23:49, 3 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Most of your draft is a lengthy summary of the book. That won't suffice. You've already been pointed to WP:Notability (books). And something is odd: (my emphasis): Was this actually written by you? -- Hoary (talk) 00:41, 4 March 2020 (UTC)