Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 March 4

= March 4 =

Number of pages in a category, including pages in subcategories
Hello. When you visit the listing for a category, e.g. Category:British actors, the UI displays the total number of pages that are immediate members of that category. However, this tabulation excludes pages classified within subcategories. Furthermore, while there is also a magic word " ", this suffers from the same issue. Is there a simple way to determine the number of pages in a category, including pages within subcategories? (Ideally, this would include subcategories of subcategories, and so on indefinitely.) Thank you. 72.209.60.95 (talk) 01:40, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:PETSCAN will give you the count for the number of articles retrieved, e.g., this query for Category:British actors with depth limit of 10 yields 17,639 articles in mainspace. —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 02:43, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Perfect, thanks! 72.209.60.95 (talk) 05:22, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Finding good sources about academics
Hi all, I'm looking to write/expand a couple articles about academics in my fields of interest. Matthew Ohland is the first I've looked at, so let's take him as an example. He meets WP:NACADEMIC as an IEEE fellow, but I'm having a hard time finding proper independent sources - most of the sources are his university websites, author bios from conferences, that sort of thing. Any suggestions on where to find good sources? The best I've found so far was a couple of quotes from him in academic journals. creffett (talk) 01:50, 4 March 2020 (UTC)


 * It's not easy, but there are obvious blanks to fill. "His research on the longitudinal study of engineering students, team assignment, peer assessment, and active and collaborative teaching methods have been supported [...]." What did the research conclude? How have other researchers reacted to this? "Ohland was named [a Fellow of each of three organizations] for his contributions to and leadership in engineering education." What were his contributions? "Dr. Ohland [and his?] team received Best Paper awards [...]." What are the papers? How have they been cited in later papers written by others? -- Hoary (talk) 02:03, 4 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I have a guide to writing about academics at User:StarryGrandma/Writing an article about a professor or researcher. For basic facts about a professor it is fine to use their faculty webpage and their curriculum vitae (CV) if you can find it. Ohland's faculty web page is here and his CV is here. StarryGrandma (talk) 04:28, 4 March 2020 (UTC)


 * ,, thank you both! That gives me a good place to start. I'll definitely have a look at your guide, StarryGrandma. creffpublic  a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 14:11, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

My new page could not be published
Hi I am working on an artist page and it could not be published.

I have never created an artist page from scratch before but I took reference from an existing artist page but still didn't work.

May I get some assistance on how I may be able to? — Preceding unsigned comment added by WhyNotMusic (talk • contribs) 02:33, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * It seems your draft, Draft:YuE, was restored per your request. The primary problem I see is that it is not in English. I can't comment much further, as I don't read Chinese. Also, a non-logged-in ("IP") user has apparently submitted it for review, which will undoubtedly be declined. Using an existing artist page as a guide is a good idea. Also, if you haven't already, see WP:YFA. —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 02:50, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * says "Using an existing artist page as a guide is a good idea". I don't entirely agree. Using an existing page as a guide is a good idea if you know that it is a well-constructed article (for example if it is in the category of Category:Good articles). But many existing articles are very poor models indeed, and should not be copied. --ColinFine (talk) 10:01, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes. My reading of WP:OSE is "If you're going to compare to other stuff, compare to good stuff." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:10, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Getting the social handles of Urdu Wikipedia verified
Hello, I want to ask on behalf of the Urdu Wikipedia community about getting a blue tick on the social handles of Urdu Wikipedia. I've seen the handles of Arabic Wikipedia verified so far. Get the Urdu Wikipedia official social media handles a blue tick. We are on facebook, instagram and twitter @UrduWikipedia. Aaqib Anjum Aafī (talk) 05:42, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * You have to ask the people who run those websites. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 06:23, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Twitter: Important: Please note that our verified account program is currently on hold. We are not accepting any new requests at this time. . Pelagic (talk) 13:21, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * FB:
 * How do I request a verified badge on Facebook? Despite the title, that page says what the requirements are, but not how to apply.
 * Verify your business Upload documents that prove that your business is a legally registered business with official authorities. Might work if you were Wikimedia Pakistan, but wouldn't apply to Urdu Wikipedia.
 * says you can also verify with a phone number. Page settings – General – Verify.
 * I notice that the About page for Arabic Wikipedia on Facebook lists a San Francisco location and a wikimedia.org email address.
 * Pelagic (talk) 13:59, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Insta: Not all Facebook Pages with verified badges have verified badges on their Instagram accounts. Currently, only Instagram accounts that have a high likelihood of being impersonated have verified badges. Pelagic (talk) 14:13, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * On a separate note, Wikimedia Foundation owns trademarks in the Wikipedia brand. I'm frankly surprised that they would let a language community (as opposed to an affiliate that has signed contracts, etc.) use that in an official capacity, and dismayed they would think it's a good idea.  Pelagic (talk) 14:13, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * On a separate note, Wikimedia Foundation owns trademarks in the Wikipedia brand. I'm frankly surprised that they would let a language community (as opposed to an affiliate that has signed contracts, etc.) use that in an official capacity, and dismayed they would think it's a good idea.  Pelagic (talk) 14:13, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Submission Declined
Hello, My submission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Fatima_Bakery_and_Store was Declined on 2 March by Sulfurboy. Details: 'This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified.' I'm looking for someone to help me understand why my sources are not reliable since I am new to Wikipedia procedures.

Sayuurii (talk) 06:41, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Seems a promotional article. Citations miss titles. Please try correcting that. Aaqib Anjum Aafī (talk) 06:48, 4 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Start by removing the references to Wikipedia. (Wikipedia is not regarded as a reliable source. Yes, this may sound strange, but there it is.) You have two other sources. One of them is this (I didn't look at the other). It looks OK to me; perhaps (who said the sources aren't reliable) would like to comment here on what's unsatisfactory about The News Minute in general or that article in particular. -- Hoary (talk) 07:53, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * If Wikipedia were allowed to cite itself as a reliable source, we could write anything we want here and it would be reliably sourced. That explains why Wikipedia is not regarded as a reliable source. J I P  &#124; Talk 10:09, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, 's right. Anyway, although you put these links in what were formatted as references, you weren't using them as references (implying that information was derived from them). I simply removed both of them. I've also made other changes to the article. There's more work to be done, and more criticisms could be made, but I don't know what's wrong with either of your two cited sources. -- Hoary (talk) 13:31, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Editing logo on company page
Hi,

I would like to update the logo on our company page West One Music, how do I go about this?

Thanks, Ash — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aepickett92 (talk • contribs) 13:26, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , firstly, you should read wp:coi and wp:paid; there are some additional rules paid editors need to follow.
 * Secondly, as logos typically aren't under free licenses, we can only use them under fair use. As these rules are a bit complicated, and images need to be tagged properly as fair use, I would recommend you make a request at wp:files for upload, which will handle the process for you.
 * Thanks,  Alex Noble    - talk  13:30, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks,  Alex Noble    - talk  13:30, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks,  Alex Noble    - talk  13:30, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

User talk page redesign to unconventional standards
Is it considered acceptable on Wikipedia for a user to redesign their Talk page such that the font is Comic Sans (low readability for narrative) and the background is emerald green? I find the contrast to be insufficient for rapid comprehension. It seems to me that the outcome of these changes is that the user's Wikipedia interactions are harder to monitor, yet otherwise "in compliance" on Talk page format. It's unsettling.--Quisqualis (talk) 15:39, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Talk page guidelines states Avoid excessive use of color and other font gimmicks, which I would class this as. I'd poltiely ask the user to change it, as it isn't excatly the most blatant violation though.   Alex Noble    - talk  15:45, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, if they won't change it, consider if it is a hill worth dying on; there has recently been a lot of similar controvesy around signitures, and taking this kind of stuff to the noticeboards really doesn't benefit anyone.  Alex Noble    - talk  15:50, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

How to enlarge a thumb picture?
Hello, Can someone tell me how to enlarge the thumbs used to illustrate an article? like in this first page, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieter_Pourbus#Pourbus_in_Bruges the thumb picture on the upper right side is quite small, and I would like to enlarge it to fill the blank space on the right thank you in advance cheers --Emigré55 (talk) 15:58, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you talking about this image? That looks pretty large to me. - X201 (talk) 16:17, 4 March 2020 (UTC)




 * thumb|250 px|right|Pieter Pourbus - The Baptism of Christ - Museo del Prado, Madrid Note the |thumb|250 px|right|, but I made it too large in the article, and you probably meant a different pic. Your link took me to that one, which I'll have modified to remove the distracting blaze orange background. Also, the tryptich is far too small. --Quisqualis (talk) 17:08, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

---Thank you for your comments and help. I am alluding to this picture, "The Annunciation", the first I included in the article, on the upper right handside: If you can do something to enlarge it in the text, please feel free! I will see alert how you have done this, and I will learn form you for other pics I intend to include in this long article.

---Thank you also for improving the pic from the Prado! and the text. Feel free to read the whole text and make it better where you think it relevant. cheers --Emigré55 (talk) 18:28, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Right forum
Where's the best place to start a discussion regarding the proper use of "given name" vs "hndis"? I and User:Narky Blert disagree with regard to the categorization of Seba. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:47, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * This question follows on from a brief discussion at User talk:Narky Blert, which gives some background. I suggest WT:DAB, but have no strong feelings; wherever will get the best input.
 * The issue relates principally to DAB pages, but WikiProject Anthroponymy might also be able to contribute and should perhaps be notified.
 * 's username is very appropriate here: I see fuzziness in the documentation of some important templates, in particular dab and hndis. Narky Blert (talk) 20:21, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The thing is, we have three templates/categories: "given name", "surname" and "hndis". What's the use of having all three if you want to subsume the first (and by implication the second) in the third? It makes much more sense to use "hndis" for anything longer than just a simple given name or surname. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:56, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Because that's not how it works. hndis is a unique (though possibly ambiguous) identifier. Given name and surname are almost by definition not unique (excluding the rare cases where we only have one article about someone with a particular surname, see R from surname). In some cultures, e.g. Iceland, some parts of India, and Vietnam, people are identified only by their given name: they have no surname, only a patronymic. Their names are inevitably ambiguous. In other cultures, notably Arabic, the same person may be identified either as "bin" (son of, a patronymic) or as "abu" (father of, a sort of reverse patronymic); again, ambiguity. Narky Blert (talk) 00:42, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 * How is hndis a unique identifier? The necessity for hndis is because it isn't unique. You're swimming against a very strong tide. Do you see Aaron in Category:Human name disambiguation pages? No. So explain to me why Seba is somehow different. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:40, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * . You asked for a discussion venue, and I suggested one. It seems unlikely after three days that there will be new editorial input here. Narky Blert (talk) 13:03, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Some one remove article
Somebody's remove my article with out any reason — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.97.76.60 (talk) 20:32, 4 March 2020 (UTC)


 * First, it is not your article. See WP:OWN for why you cannot own an article. Second, we don't know what article you're talking about unless you tell us. So, which article are you referring to? † dismas †|(talk) 22:06, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Is it ok to put a (non pornographic) link to Pornhub at the bottom of the article?
Hi, I just wrote a short article about a documentary film Shakedown (2018 film) that was released on Pornhub as its first non pornographic content. So is it OK to put a link at the bottom of the article that links to the documentary on Pornhub? It's not a pornographic film, but yeah just wasn't sure if that was ok or not. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avonsicier (talk • contribs) 21:20, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Answered at the Teahouse. RudolfRed (talk) 00:16, 5 March 2020 (UTC)