Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 May 2

= May 2 =

Withdrawing DYK nomination.
Hi, I nominated Zamia pygmaea for DYK only to realise that it's too early to do that. Is there any way I can withdraw the nomination and delete the template, because I will be re-nominating it later.Ankit (Talk with me) 00:35, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , I'd caution you that you only have a week to claim a DYK after it gets expanded, so if you withdrew it, you'd need to renominate within like 6 days or miss out on the DYK. Why do you need to withdraw it? CaptainEek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 00:51, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thanks for your concern, I am aware of that. But I need to withdraw it because the article needs more expansion and a restructuring. Moreover the template Template:Did you know nominations/Zamia pygmaea needs an image, I did add one but something's not right with that one.Ankit (Talk with me) 01:02, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , If you really wish to delete it, you could put it up for WP:G7 speedy deletion I believe, though I don't quite see the point if you're just gonna renominate it soon. It usually takes a bit for a nom to get reviewed anyway, and even if its not perfect, reviewers will work with you. For guidance on your restructuring, please see WikiProject Plants/Template. Also make sure that everything is cited to a reliable source. CaptainEek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 01:52, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , In hindsight I think that you are right, I should just let it be once its reviewing starts it will get along.
 * Thank you--Ankit (Talk with me) 12:13, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Cheyenne Mcnutt Marion Indiana
Something is put about me and it isn’t true. Maybe the famed cyclist part, but not the rest. Please delete if possible, I own multiple businesses here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1015:B064:FAC7:BCC3:320B:A0B9:1114 (talk) 02:40, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅! GoingBatty (talk) 02:43, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

My Article Is Marked As "Draft"
Today I have created an article for my music, but I can't change it from a "draft" to an official Wikipedia article. I need this for my Spotify page. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jason_David) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chriskitten61 (talk • contribs) 04:19, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I suggest you place  at the top of your  talk page draft, and declare your conflict of interest on your talk page.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 05:30, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I think GB meant to say place the 'submit' code at the top of your draft. This will submit it for review. However, before doing so please review the musical notability guidelines at WP:NMUSIC. (PLease also see WP:GNG). If the criteria are not met it will not be worth your while to submit the article as it will very likely be declined at review. I have cleaned up the draft some and also moved it to Draft: Jason David (musician) as Wikipedia already has an article about another person of the same name. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 11:59, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oops! Corrected my recommendation.  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 15:27, 2 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I fear from your mention of your Spotify page that you are under a (very common) misapprehension about Wikipedia: that it has anything whatever to do with promotion. It does not. It contains neutrally written articles about notable subjects, based almost entirely on reliably published independent sources.
 * If you do not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability - like most artists - then no article about you will be accepted. If your are notable, and an article is accepted, it will not be your article, it will be based not on what you say but on what people who have no connection with you have published about you, and it will not necessarily say what you want it to say. Your involvement in the article will be limited to making requests for changes to the content.
 * Like anybody else in the world, you will be welcome to make use of the material in Wikipedia's article about you, but it is unlikely that a Wikipedia volunteer editor will be willing to go to any trouble to help you promote yourself on Spotify or anywhere else. --ColinFine (talk) 16:10, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Hasty actions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:UFC_249_(May_9,_2020_event) Hello can i get some helpers to assist on this issue. There are a lot of attempt for hasty decisions on this page (the move request came first now someone wants do this and that and this and that.....)...its causing a mess. COVID-19 also caused low participation on the consensus. I want it be left open for a longer time at least May 6. Once its done then we can review the next steps. Regice2020 (talk) 05:38, 2 May 2020 (UTC)


 * It's normal that once a suggestion is made, others will make counter-suggestions. As I glance at the talk page, I get the impression that the discussion is vigorous (in a good way). If you want more participation, you might ask for it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mixed martial arts. -- Hoary (talk) 09:27, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Fake website list
How do i add a few more websites to your Fake News List. I do not wish to edit any previous entries.

For example, I wish to add andromedacouncil.com to the Fake Website list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:8100:301B:F105:1:3:882E:5996 (talk) 08:12, 2 May 2020 (UTC)


 * If you hope that something will be added to the article Fake news website, then you can make the suggestion at Talk:Fake news website. -- Hoary (talk) 09:19, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

question about a tv series plot
Movie plots per WP:PLOTBLOAT are supposed to be between 400-700 words. The MOS:TVPLOT gives guidance for plots that are for episodes, seasons, and some variations. Unfortunately there is no guidance that I can find for a plot that is at the series level. So for example, Arrow's plot is 792 words long. Am I missing where the guidance says how long a series level plot should be? thx. ToeFungii (talk) 10:56, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Given that the series was eight seasons and each is summarized in a single paragraph averaging 100 words, that doesn't seem unreasonable to me at all. Are you asking whether the plot summary for the series is too long or not long enough? —valereee (talk) 13:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Fix ping —valereee (talk) 13:10, 2 May 2020 (UTC)


 * , yes I thing the plot is too long, but I understand the logic that 100 words per season (although season 8 was only 10 episodes I believe). Perhaps this why there is no guidance, ie tv shows could be an unknown #of seasons/episodes, but where there is so much guidance for film plots, tv series season plots, tv series episode plots, I was kinda of hoping that there might be something at the series level possibly even what you say 100 words per season. Otherwise it leaves it potentially open ended for the plot at the series level. ToeFungii (talk) 17:21, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , in general we try to avoid hard-and-fast rules where they aren't needed. The right length of plot summary for a tv series is whatever it needs to convey the plot adequately without providing trivial detail. The best way to solve this kind of question would be to make whatever edits you think are necessary and see if anyone objects. If someone reverts your edits, don't re-revert them but instead start a section to discuss it on the article talk page and ping the editor who made the change. More guidance on that process can be found at BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. —valereee (talk) 22:31, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Content Assessment for articles in a category
Hello! Is it possible to get create a content assessment table (such as this example for categories? As opposed to a table for a WikiProject. I am trying to create a table to see the quality of the articles under the following category Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xcia0069 (talk • contribs)
 * This may be what you are looking for. Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Using the bot If not, ask on the talk page. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  22:13, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

useless ref names in vis ed
Is there any way to keep visual editor from using ref names like ":0"? It's infuriating when I need to switch to source. The only way I've found is to insert the citation, switch to source, and insert a ref name="jonesNYT1may2020" or whatever manually, which besides being tedious of course only fixes it for refs first added by me and leaves everyone else's refs with those stupidly useless names. Thanks for any help! —valereee (talk) 13:05, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It's probably the simplest way to automatically generate a name, without the visual editor having to make one up based on the name of the work or web site. BTW - you don't need the quotes anymore as long as the ref name is one word. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  22:16, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , oh, good to know about not needing quotes any more. Ugh, maybe I should just add new references in source. It might be easier. I can't believe this hasn't been fixed yet. Thanks! —valereee (talk) 22:20, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * While you don't the quotes, I use them anyway for consistency and foolproofing (in case someone decides they want to rename it with a space in it and don't realize it isn't quoted). I also recall some kind of bugginess or controversy over unquoted attributes (sorry the details escape me). —[  Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 07:11, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, AlanM!! —valereee (talk) 12:02, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Question about infoboxes
I have a question about infoboxes about people. Sometimes, an infobox does not list all of a person's children like, for example, in the Nelson Mandela article, it says 6 (including Makgatho, Makaziwe, Zenani and Zindziswa) and in the Mao Zedong article, it says 10, including: Mao Anying Mao Anqing Mao Anlong Yang Yuehua Li Min Li Na. However, in the Winston Churchill article, it lists all his children. What's going on here? Should I change the infoboxes to list all the children? Interstellarity (talk) 14:21, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Interstellarity - as stated at Template:Infobox person, the parameter should include:-
 * "Typically the number of children (e.g., 3); only list names of independently notable or particularly relevant children. Names may be preceded by a number to show total children and avoid implying that named children are the only offspring. For multiple entries, use an inline list. For privacy reasons, consider omitting the names of living children, unless notable."
 * So no, do not change the infoboxes to list all the children, just the "independently notable or particularly relevant children." - Arjayay (talk) 14:26, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . Thanks for getting back to me. I don't quite understand the statement from the documentation. Can you please rephrase it in your own words so I can understand it better? Interstellarity (talk) 14:48, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Interstellarity - This will be just my interpretation:- "independently notable" would almost certainly be someone with their own article, whilst "particularly relevant" would probably be someone who is not just mentioned in passing, but has independent references about them, and text describing what they did, in some detail, in their parent's article. - Arjayay (talk) 14:59, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your help. I understand. Interstellarity (talk) 15:04, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

My profile
sir, I want you to publish an article on my great grandfather Brahmdev Mishra Pahalvan who defeated Dara Singh in 1950 51.You will get all the proofs regarding this.for more enquiry contact me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malware in use (talk • contribs) 14:36, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If you haven't done so already, please review the recommendations in Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. GoingBatty (talk) 15:34, 2 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Nobody will contact you or ask you to provide proofs. If you wish to create an article (not a profile, Wikipedia does not contain profiles), then it is up to you to cite the published sources which are required for a Wikipedia article. If the material you wish to base it on has not been published, then I'm afraid that Wikipedia is not the right place for you.
 * Be warned that creating a new article is a very difficult task - made more difficult if you have a conflict of interest, as GoingBatty suggested. Please look at your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 16:15, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Beth Hirsch from Tampa Florida does not exist
I'm not sure what action to take as Beth Hirsch has major incorrect details, sourced form a website created by an individual whom I won't name right now due to ongoing court issues with the Hirsch family. However, I can certainly say that there is no such person as a Beth Hirsch born on October 18, 1967 in Tampa, nor is there anybody born on that date or even that year anywhere in the United States, Canada or the United Kingdom. I don't know what action to take her forward, I'm tempted to delete all references to her birth place and nationality and even her birth date as Beth Hirsch born on October 18 1967 in the United States does not exist anywhere in any birth records in the state of Florida. thanks. 199.101.61.254 (talk) 16:17, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The Allmusic biography only gives the year of birth and that she grew up in Tampa, so I updated the article. It would be appropriate to discuss this further at the article talk page: Talk:Beth Hirsch, with reliable sources.  GoingBatty (talk) 16:31, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Ok I'll do that tomorrow when I have a stable connection, as the service guys are coming today. thanks. I don't know if my IP will change as a result of the repairs but I'll get to tha tomorrow. 199.101.61.254 (talk) 17:02, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Ax09tongo78
Why does Wikipedia belongs to all of us? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ax09tongo78 (talk • contribs) 16:31, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You might be interested in reading About. GoingBatty (talk) 16:33, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Adding content
I want to ad a blog to a Wikipedia page. The blog is an art gallery only, and contains no comment, opinions or any other kind of dialogue. It is purely a gallery of paintings. How can I add this to the page, as I keep getting it removed due to it being thought of as a soapbox (which it isn’t). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cazzocondente (talk • contribs) 16:56, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Part of editing Wikipedia can follow the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. You boldly added some content to the Ted McKeever article, and another editor reverted the content. Now the proper place for discussion is the article talk page, Talk:Ted McKeever.  Note that the one discussion topic at Talk:Ted McKeever was from the year 2007, and has nothing to do with your edits.  If you have any conflict of interest, be sure to disclose that as well.  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 17:31, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe you could help improve the article by providing additional reliable sources? GoingBatty (talk) 17:32, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Article titles
When deciding on an article title, such as Great Pyramid of Giza, how do we decide between WP:PRECISE and WP:CONCISE? Interstellarity (talk) 17:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Those two goals are usually not at odds. Can you clarify what the issue is? I'm not following. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  22:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * In the RM discussion at Talk:Great_Pyramid_of_Giza which I nominated, I nominated it because it would be a more concise title. However, the oppose votes are arguing that it fails WP:PRECISE. I hope this clarifies the question. Interstellarity (talk) 22:27, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , hm. Great Pyramid of Giza is precise because it differentiates from other Great Pyramids, and it doesn't fail concise because it's the most common way that structure is referred to in reliable sources. But Great Pyramid could be argued to be more concise and not fail precise because it's so much more notable than the Great Pyramid of Cholula that nearly all readers would understand Great Pyramid to mean the one at Giza. I don't think there's one clear right outcome here. —valereee (talk) 12:23, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. I understand now. Interstellarity (talk) 15:23, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Karen Harper (author) Born April 6, 1945
Karen also taught English at Whetstone High School. I had her as my English teacher in 1969-1970 school year. She met Don Harper at Whetstone where he was the principal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.98.76.74 (talk) 17:33, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Please post your suggestions for the Karen Harper article on the corresponding talk page: Talk:Karen Harper, along with any reliable sources which can corroborate your request. GoingBatty (talk) 17:37, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Removal of Depiction of God
This is regarding the following page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh

I am reaching out for the immediate removal of the stone carving "depicting" the Creator, referred to as Yahweh in Judaism.

God has no known depictions, and is beyond the scope of visual, physical perception to humans inhabiting this world.

To even attempt to depict him, and trying to recreate his likeness is beyond a grave sin.

This applies even if the depiction is a "historical" one made by an ignorant human from centuries ago. Please cease propagting this ignorance, and this insult to God and those who follow him. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Propogator.ofTruth (talk • contribs) 18:22, 2 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not censored for any reason. Every subject offends one person or another, as such removing everything offensive would leave nothing behind. If a subject offends you, you should stay away from that subject. Wikipedia is a global encyclopedia edited and read by tens of thousands of people all with their own religious views. 331dot (talk) 18:28, 2 May 2020 (UTC)


 * The Jewish people have held different beliefs at different historical periods. The task of Wikipedia is to describe those various beliefs. It is not, fortunately, to rule on which of them are correct. Maproom (talk) 20:25, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Features in GeoJSON Maps for Highways
I've been jumping around articles on California state highways and I noticed that the map in the infobox on Interstate 5 in California is rather sparse and does not show state borders or any other highways. This is in contrast to the map on Interstate 5 in Oregon which shows Oregon's borders with California and Washington and the outlines of other highways in Oregon.

After some investigating I determined that both of these maps are generated from OpenStreetMap using a data tag linking the feature on OSM to the article here. I looked at the source of the articles to see if the map on the Oregon page is called differently somehow to enable the other features on the map, but the wikitext appears to be virtually identical between the two:

California:

Oregon:

The only difference appears to be in the  parameter, which wouldn't seem to me to affect whether features appear.

Is there some way to invoke the map on the California page such that state borders and other highways appear? I feel that without at least borders, the map looks very sparse and provides insufficient context to a reader as to the location of the freeway. Thank you, Titan  Andromeda  18:27, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * When I have a problem with a template, I go to the template's talk page for assistance. When I go to Template:Maplink and click on the "Talk" link, it takes me to Module talk:Mapframe, where there are several similar conversations.  Hope this helps!  GoingBatty (talk) 18:34, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * D'oh, why didn't I think of that? Thank you, I appreciate the help. Titan  Andromeda  19:11, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikilink question
I recently added Jimmie Patterson's name to "notable persons from Saskatoon" and the edit was easy, however, what wasn't at all clear is how I redirect to his page on Wikipedia. I sure it's a simple procedure, but I'm still scratching my head. Some help would be great. Thanks Kim Whale. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.161.172 (talk) 21:41, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to add to it. I added a section header for your question. I was going to make the link for you, but I can't tell who you are referring to.  We artcicles on these James Pattersons: James_Patterson_(disambiguation), but it is not clear which one you mean.  The only Canadian on that list is a politician.  RudolfRed (talk) 21:51, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You have to spell the name right. Jim Pattison is from Luseland, not Saskatoon, although he was born in Saskatoon. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  21:58, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Quickly Delete image
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:New_UFC_249_poster.jpg Can someone quickly delete this image?Regice2020 (talk) 22:56, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Removal of link of a namesake on my Wikipedia page
My Wikipedia page is Paul Taylor (Saxophonist). Please remove the link to another namesake Paul Taylor (Rock Musician) that is at the TOP of my page..

Doesn't make sense that it's there. I checked that page and mine is not on HIS page. Like someone put it there to divert folks to that page INSTEAD of mine. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.72.254.220 (talk) 22:56, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The link is a disambiguation link so that if someone gets the two of you confused, they can find the right article. That makes sense.  It's also present on the Paul Taylor (keyboardist) article.
 * It's our page about you, not your page. Don't be paranoid about a very common feature meant to make it easier to use the site.  Ian.thomson (talk) 23:03, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I just added the link from Paul Taylor (keyboardist) to Paul Taylor (saxophonist) to help readers find the right article. GoingBatty (talk) 23:05, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Paul - please do not directly edit Wikipedia's article about you - see WP:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. I have reverted the edit.  If you have suggestions or concerns, please post them on the article talk page Talk:Paul Taylor (saxophonist), and disclose who you are.  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 23:11, 2 May 2020 (UTC)