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= May 26 =

Television shows by topic
I notice that there are two categories Category:Television series by topic and Category:Television programs by topic. "Television series by topic" is a subcategory of "Television programs by topic". Does anyone know the difference between the two categories? When I clicked to edit the talk page, it said I should ask here since not many people watch category talk pages. I suppose television programs can include documentaries and specials, where television series includes series of episodes, but this isn't really clear. Some of the categories that are in "Television programs by topic" but not "Television series by topic" still include episodic television series. Should the categories be merged or renamed to clarify the difference? Nine hundred ninety-nine (talk) 01:36, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The two categories are very different from a purpose point of view. The 'programs by topic' category is a "container category", meaning is should not contain any articles but only categories.  The six articles that are included in the category need to be re-classified to sub-categories.  The 'series by topic' is specifically related to television series, but the inclusion criteria isn't stated as to whether it would include both intended multi-year series and mini-series or not.  Does this help? --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 02:12, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It helps a little. However, I think both categories are container categories. I can't think of shows that are not either shows that air a single time, mini-series, or regular television series. Does this mean the subcategories of "Television programs by topic" should contain shows that air a single time, and the subcategories of "Television series by topic" should contain shows about a regular television series? Nine hundred ninety-nine (talk) 19:45, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Quite right - my apologies - let's try this again. Program vs. Series.  The Categories do not have inclusion criteria stated.  Looking at how Wikipedia treats the topic in the article space ... "Television program" redirects to "Television show"; "Television series" redirects to "Television show", a section tagged for expansion.  On the other hand, looking at subcategories of Category:Television programs by topic, a subcat of Category:Television programs about art is Category:Television series about art.  I'm inferring here that "program" is a generalization of "series", which makes sense.  Episodic programs can appear in the "program" category if there are insufficient instances to warrant a category; i.e. given one or two instances, a category might or might not be created, depending on the editor involved.  I think I'll write a bit of inclusion criteria for the two categories to help instantiate clarification.  Does this sit OK with you - the explainer and the intent? --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 04:05, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * OK. I've opted for a single explainer text added to Category:Television_series_by_topic.  Let me know what you think, including if you'd suggest revisions to the text or additoin to the programs category.  Regards --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 04:15, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, this solution works for me. Nine hundred ninety-nine (talk) 19:37, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Andy Coulson
Andy Coulson edit was valid. Why was it reverted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.219.199.173 (talk) 04:58, 26 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Another editor thought it was unconstructive. If you disagree, then discuss it on the talk page of the article, which is at Talk:Andy Coulson. Just looking at it, it was ungrammatical and made a point that is already discussed in the lead section, but I think you can make a case that it belongs in the first sentence. Please assume good faith (WP:AGF) and work collaboratively with the other editor, and you can probably work something out. -Arch dude (talk) 05:38, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

citation does not identify source adequately
What tag should I put on a reference that does not adequately identify the book (presumably) that is cited? Citation needed clearly does not do the job as there is a citation there - just don't know what it refers to.

The example is on Baltimore Clipper, the reference just says "Gardiner 1999", and is used twice. I have identified a possible author, but cannot find any book that he wrote in 1999.ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 07:50, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It may be worth asking User:Olikigotho, as that was who added the reference. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:03, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * In the event that you don't get a reply from the editor who addd the reference, or where it isn't clear who added it, you can use full citation needed for cases like this. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 19:23, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

All black
My late dad Charles Herbert Smith (Herbie ) said he played league for some random place also the photo on his page is not of my Dad. My email address is Thanks Winsome Marshall — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.61.68.123 (talk) 08:26, 26 May 2020 (UTC)


 * By the looks of it, you're looking at the wrong article. The article about your Dad is Charles Smith (rugby), whereas Charles Smith Jr. is about the rugby league player. Also, if you're getting the information from Google then you'd need to contact them- I don't see a picture of the rugby league player's article. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:00, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Updating a page
Hi, I need to update a page but it’s not letting me. What do I do?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_Texas — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.185.51.5 (talk) 10:54, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello! That page doesn't appear to be locked, so you should be able to edit it? Ed6767 (talk) 10:58, 26 May 2020 (UTC)


 * If you are one of both of the IP addresses that yesterday inserted tendentious and unsupported epithets on particular individuals in 2020 United States House of Representatives elections in Texas, please stop it. They were quite rightly reverted. If you are talking about something else, please make it clear what it is that you need to add. (Or better still, make your case on the talk page Talk:2020 United States House of Representatives elections in Texas). --ColinFine (talk) 11:01, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Copyright of copied passage: Edward Albert's "A History of English Literature"
I notice that a paragraph of Wikipedia's article on Thomas Wyatt (poet) (starting "Wyatt's poems are short but fairly numerous") is copied verbatim from Edward Albert's "A History of English Literature" without attribution. The latter text is freely available on the Internet Archive (https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.544236) but I am doubtful whether it is free of copyright. I'm sure we should at least attribute the source, but does the whole paragraph need to be re-written? Mrmedley (talk) 12:38, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It's by Edward Albert, and revised by J A Stone for publication in 1955. I know nothing offhand about either writer, but it seems unlikely that 70 years have elapsed since Stone's death. -- Hoary (talk) 13:09, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Hoary, for pointing out my mis-rendering of Albert's name in my heading (now corrected). I hope someone can give further advice about what to do. Mrmedley (talk) 13:41, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thomas Wyatt (poet) died a long time ago, so that verbiage may have been in the first edition of the book, in 1923. If we can find the first edition and find that material, we can use it verbatim because it is in the public domain, but we must attribute it to meet our plagiarism guidelines. -Arch dude (talk) 16:58, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Arch dude. With this perspective in hand I've brought up the matter on the article's talk page. Mrmedley (talk) 02:50, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

UPLB Museum of Natural History
This article appears to have just one substantial author: Florante Apellido Cruz (although my contributions might be considered substantial too, they were basically rearranging and reformatting the text; I did not actually write anything).

Florante Apellido Cruz has declared a conflict of interest in relation to this article. The discussions on their talk page, in particular, User talk:Florante Apellido Cruz, show that the user has a poor understanding of copyright, even after warnings. In response to this, the user appears to have given up:
 * This is too all complicated for me. I would rather request that my simple intention to publish photos which I and my colleagues took as people of the museum be negated. I would be amenable for the editors to all delete all my contributions both in Wikipedia and Wikimedia. If my intended contribution also to Wikipedia will become a waste of everybody's time, I am also amenable to a deletion of that entry

I have made extensive efforts to assist this user, but I won’t continue down that path after my contributions were revdel’d in order to remove this user’s copyvios (I have explained this to them and they seem to understand).

Even though an admin has identified several copyvios, hence the revdel, we should assume there are more, based on these comments:
 * May I explain? In scientific writing, I was trained that it is okay to copy some text from a source but with citations. That was the process I think I did there. I have copied in a phrase or so, highlighted it, clicked on the citation tool, and put in the necessary details. If the Wikipedia policy does not allow that, then I will go over the text of the article again and again and put revisions. Thank you for the comments.

The article surely can’t stand in its current state. I think the only safe course of action is to rewrite the whole article. The article doesn’t seem to meet the deletion criteria (looks notable: source 1, source 2 + linked from many other articles + could technically be fixed through editing). So what should we do? Brianjd (talk) 13:10, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

“King Arthur”
I noticed you have my dissertation listed in the bibliography. I later published a thorough, updated, and much better version which I would prefer as a reference. I have also published a book on Arthur’s historicity specifically which might be a useful addition. How can I emend the bibliography of that semi-locked page? I have had this account for some time and have made a few accepted edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tallhwch (talk • contribs) 14:36, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Citing your own works is regarded as a conflict of interest (even though you are just proposing to replace one cited work with another) so the recommended action is to post an edit request on the article's talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 14:42, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help. We need all the experts we can get. Sorry about the extra hoops we ask you to jump through when self-citing, but it's part of our attempt to maintain objectivity. In King Arthur, If the existing reference is freely accessible on the web but the newer one is not, please recommend that the new one be added but the old one be retained. Otherwise, if you feel the newer one is in every way a better ref, recommend the replacement. -Arch dude (talk) 16:09, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Double redirects from subpages used as draft
Hello, I've created some articles using subpages as draft. After moving the articles to the Namespace, the subpages have become double redirects to the main page. How do I correct these subpages? Is there a way to remove these subpages, as they have served their purpose? Thanks. Santoshdts[TalkToMe] 17:02, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If you're referring to subpages in your user space, such as User:Santoshdts/National agroforestry policy, you can have them deleted by adding Db-u1 to the top of each page. (You can, of course, elimnate the redirects by simply blaking each page, but I assume that you don't want to reuse these titles for any other purpose.) By the way, your sig needs to include a link to—at least—your user, talk, or contributions page; see WP:SIGLINK. Deor (talk) 18:00, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for helping me out with double redirect and also for pointing out the error in my signature, which I had altered recently. It's been rectified now. Thanks again. Santoshdts[TalkToMe] 18:51, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * FWIW, there is a bot that cleans up double redirects (as in an article that redirects to a redirect). You are welcome to delete (with U1)/change/blank or keep the redirect in draft/user space. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:42, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Abdelslam elaskary
Biography

Dr. Abdelsalam Elaskary is the founder of the Elaskary & Associates clinic and educational institute located in Alexandria, Egypt, he is currently a visiting lecturer at University of New York NYU, He authored three text books in the field of dental Implantology and oral Reconstruction, “Reconstructive Aesthetic Implant Surgery” &  “fundamentals of aesthetic implant dentistry”  and  “ Advances in  Esthetic implant dentistry”  all published by john Wiley, Translated in to several  languages,  Added to that a rich contribution to the literature by numerous published  articles in the recognized reputable journals , he is a member of the editorial review board of the international journal of oral implantology

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdelslam elaskary (talk • contribs) 17:53, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Did you have a question aside from posting content about yourself, which is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  18:24, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Someone hijacked the links of my company's article page, and editing it back caused our actual homepage to get added to the global blacklist so we cannot undo the hijacked edit
Basically the subject says everything that happened. The timeline of events:

April 10 - A new Wikipedia user performs their only edit - on our company's page, changing the URL to a domain under their own control (but not the text of the link). This ultimately redirects the user to our homepage, after setting some referral links along the way.

May 22 - We notice the change and revert that edit to the page, resetting the link to our official home page.

May 23 - The user changes the URL on our page back to their hijacked domain.

May 26 - The global spam blacklist is updated with our home page URL.

We are no longer able to revert the edit. How do we proceed from here? Reading through the recurring requests section, it seems like simply asking for it to get removed will be denied, yet at the same time someone is allowed to hijack our URL - this does not seem like what Wikipedia was built for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swbvofficial (talk • contribs) 18:33, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It is not easy to help you, unless we know the name of the article. Theroadislong (talk) 18:50, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I did not want to link it if that would be considered spam - the article is BeenVerified Swbvofficial (talk) 18:57, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I hadn't come up on this previously, but it looks like you could ask for it to be added at MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:12, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Getting listed on Wikipedia
Hello, We manufacture commercial buses in New Paris, In and I am inquiring to see how we get our company listed on the website.

Thank You, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Turtle Top Buses (talk • contribs) 19:09, 26 May 2020 (UTC) You don't. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a directory. If unrelated editors find your company to be notable by Wikipedia's standards, someone will write an article on the company. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  19:14, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You could look on WP for related topics to your inquiry and see if your company falls within the guidelines of notability for inclusion:, , or . These compile as lists manufacturers of buses from articles on WP. Good luck! Maineartists (talk) 19:29, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

How to add an image that wikicommons doesn't recognize?
I recently created a wiki page for the artist Charles E. Gagnon and have an image of him that I want to upload to the page.

It won't let me upload the image, saying that wikicommons doesn't recognize it.

How do I get past this?

Also I have searched for my new wiki page on wikipedia and google and cannot find it. Is there a grace period before it gets truly published? — Preceding unsigned comment added by IceIllex (talk • contribs) 19:29, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * - you might need to be a bit more specific about your first part - did you take the image of the person? Did you try to upload it to commons?


 * All new articles are patrolled at WP:NPP before they are indexed on Google. This can take a few days. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:34, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Did you mean User:IceIllex/sandbox? If so, this is a WP:DRAFT and isn't a real article. You'd need to put it to WP:AFC to be put into mainspace. However you will need to show why the subject meets our notability guidelines Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:36, 26 May 2020 (UTC)


 * This is a draft of moderate length that provides no reference for anything that it says. For it to succeed as an article, every assertion must be backed up with evidence from a published, reliable source. Also, the article would have to refer to its subject as "Gagnon", not as "Chuck". -- Hoary (talk) 23:54, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Trying to adjust a client's wikipedia career page
Hello we are trying to adjust a client's page and get this after trying to update her career section "An automated filter has identified this edit as potentially unconstructive, so it has been disallowed. If this edit is constructive, please report this error. Disruptive editing may result in a block from editing." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avalonlany (talk • contribs) 21:17, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Please read and digest WP:COI. -- Hoary (talk) 21:36, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Please read and comply with WP:PAID. Disclosure of your status is mandatory to comply with the terms of service of this web site. Your paid status prohibits you from editing that article directly, but it is perfectly acceptable for you to suggest changes, which you do on the article's talk page. Pretty much any reasonable, encyclopedic, properly-sourced suggestion will be accepted. -Arch dude (talk) 22:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC)