Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 November 22

= November 22 =

Need help with nested tables
I'm trying to use nested tables, and rows in an outer table are picking up column widths from an inner table. Also, I want the first 16 columns in the main (second level) table to be of the same widths.The markup is

{| class="infobox" style="font-size:88%" {| style="font-size:70%;"
 * align="center" | IBM S/370 registers
 * align="center" | IBM S/370 registers

! style="width:5%; text-align:left; border-style: solid none solid solid;' | 00 ! style="width:5%; text-align:right;border-style: solid solid solid none;'  | 07 ! style="width:5%; text-align:left; border-style: solid none solid solid;' | 08 ! style="width:5%; text-align:right;border-style: solid solid solid none;'  | 15 ! style="width:5%; text-align:left; border-style: solid none solid solid;' | 16 ! style="width:5%; text-align:right;border-style: solid solid solid none;'  | 23 ! style="width:5%; text-align:left; border-style: solid none solid solid;' | 24 ! style="width:5%; text-align:right;border-style: solid solid solid none;'  | 31 ! style="width:5%; text-align:left; border-style: solid none solid solid;' | 32 ! style="width:5%; text-align:right;border-style: solid solid solid none;'  | 39 ! style="width:5%; text-align:left; border-style: solid none solid solid;' | 40 ! style="width:5%; text-align:right;border-style: solid solid solid none;'  | 47 ! style="width:5%; text-align:left; border-style: solid none solid solid;' | 48 ! style="width:5%; text-align:right;border-style: solid solid solid none;'  | 57 ! style="width:5%; text-align:left; border-style: solid none solid solid;' | 58 ! style="width:5%; text-align:right;border-style: solid solid solid none;'  | 63
 * style="width:auto; background:white; color:black" | (bit position)*
 * colspan="10" | Basic Control mode Program Status Word
 * colspan="10" | Basic Control mode Program Status Word


 * - style="background:silver;color:black"
 * style="text-align:center;" colspan="2" | SM
 * style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | Key
 * style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | EMWP
 * style="text-align:center;" colspan="4" | IC
 * style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | ILC,CC
 * style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | PM
 * style="text-align:center;" colspan="6" | IA
 * style="background:white; color:black;" | BC mode PSW
 * colspan="16" |
 * colspan="16" |


 * colspan="10" | Extended Control mode Program Status Word
 * colspan="10" | Extended Control mode Program Status Word


 * - style="background:silver;color:black"
 * style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | 0R00
 * style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | 0TIOE X
 * style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | Key
 * style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | 1MWP
 * style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | S0,CC
 * style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | PM
 * style="text-align:center;" colspan="2" | 00000000
 * style="text-align:center;" colspan="2" | 00000000
 * style="text-align:center;" colspan="6" | Instruction Address
 * style="background:white; color:black;" | EC mode PSW


 * }
 * Note: IBM documentation numbers the bits from high order to low order; the most significant (leftmost) bit is designated as bit number 0.
 * }

and it yields

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 01:30, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm going to collapse this for ease of scrolling. No objections if it's undone.  Squeeps10 Talk to meplease ping me 03:57, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Made markup and rendering separately collapsible. Added colspan="16"; that seems to bypass the problem. Used % for column width. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 16:54, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks {[u|Chatul}}.   Please ping when replying . 22:00, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Saturday Night Football ABC Game November 28
What No Game November 28. 68.102.42.216 (talk) 04:24, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Questions like this are better suited for the reference desk.   Please ping when replying . 04:33, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * And, as you were told above (and not for the first time) at #Games Getting Cancelled by Covid-19 this is a help desk not a forum for your sporting complaints. Eagleash (talk) 07:19, 22 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Archived.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  23:36, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Copyright question
I imported a contents from http://encyclopediaofmath.org/index.php?title=Reinhardt_domain&oldid=48495 when editing several complex variables. When I reread the copyright again, I thought that it might not be CC-BY-SA. I hope there is no problem…--SilverMatsu (talk) 05:07, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * It says in first paragraph it is CC-BY-SA and GFDL. What licence info are you seeing?  RudolfRed (talk) 05:25, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply. On the main page, it says "The original articles from the Encyclopaedia of Mathematics remain copyrighted to Springer but any new articles added and any changes made to existing articles within encyclopediaofmath.org will come under the Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike License. ", however, the article said, "This article was adapted from an original article by ED Solomentsev (originator), which appeared in Encyclopedia of Mathematics", so I'm worried that it won't be a new post. I also noticed that the post was deleted on this page.--SilverMatsu (talk) 06:01, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

President and Vice President Elect
To whom it may concern,

As I understand it to be, the election has yet to be called for either candidate. This would explain why the transition team has not allowed access to Biden and his team. Why is it stated then, as fact, that Biden and Harris fill the roll of that position?

As a concerned educator and former supporter of Wikipedia I am outraged. If you refuse to uphold the facts as they are and not as they are interpreted then what is the purpose of this site? This is a grave injustice to the honor that used to follow those who were elected to service in this capacity for this office. You’ve bastardized it as the media has. Now there is no factually accurate place to send students to research. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1002:B022:77C4:75F2:4032:C5C3:7582 (talk) 05:35, 22 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Oh boy, this again. I'll start by saying that this belongs at WP:RD/H, but I'm going to answer it here because I'm tired of seeing it. Wikipedia is about what has been published by reliable sources (verifiable), NOT what is necessarily true. If all of our reliable sources reported that Trump won, even if Biden was the actual winner, we would report that Trump won. If some sources said Trump won and some said Biden won, we would report that the result of the election is disputed. Wikipedia does not decide who the President-Elect is. We report what reliable sources report. And every single reliable source has called the election for Joe Biden. Wikipedia reports on that. If you have a problem with what the reliable sources say, take it up with them. You're not likely to get far. All of the sources with a green background here are reliable. Our policy on verifiability, not truth, can be found here.   Please ping when replying . 05:58, 22 November 2020 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) Hello IP editor. Wikipedia makes no independent judgment on such matters and instead summarizes what reliable sources say. In this case, as in all previous presidential elections for many decades, the reliable sources for calling the election are the formal election decision desks of major media organizations, and all of those decision desks called the election for the Biden/Harris ticket roughly two weeks ago. That includes Fox News, usually considered pro-Trump. Wikipedia followed that same standard in 2004, 2008, 2012 and 2016. We are not going to change this year, unless those decision desks start withdrawing their calls of the election. And that is not going to happen. Despite the complaining and conspiracy mongering, it is clear to all objective people that Trump got defeated quite handily. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  06:08, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you Cullen. I have fixed the indentation on your answer so it no longer appears as a reply to mine.   Please ping when replying . 06:12, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * That's strange, . If you don't like my indentation choices, please bring the matter to my talk page. Thank you. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  06:23, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Apologies. I'll make a note to not modify your comments. Thanks for the ping.   Please ping when replying . 06:26, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * don't feed the trolls. -Arch dude (talk) 19:11, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Regarding Job
sir my name is sai i am here to know is there any job vacancy in ADM please let me know if there is any vacancy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.59.190.30 (talk) 06:40, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * If you're referring to an administrator, you'll have to go through the WP:RFA process. An unregistered editor cannot be an administrator, so you'll have to create an account, wait 30 days, and make 500 edits before you can have an RFA. If ADM is something outside Wikipedia, we cannot help you here. I would advise asking whatever "ADM" is directly.   Please ping when replying . 06:44, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia sites are unpaid, volunteer projects. The Wikimedia Foundation, however, has paid employees, if that's what you're looking for. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 18:07, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

RE: Stepanakert/ Nagornii Karabakh
Dear Editor,

There is much misleading information on ancient Azerbaijani town Khankendi which has been renamed in early 20the century during Bolshevik REvolution to Stepanakert. In your article the historical facts are distorted and do not represent the the truthful information on the history of the region. So called Artzach has never existed on the map and wasn't and isn't recognized as a separate state. It is located within the boundaries of Azerbaijan for centuries. Armenian appeared in this region as a result of agreement Turkmanchai, Treaty of 1828 between Russia and Persia.

Current publication supports separatism and terrorism in that region. I will strongly recommend to verify the archival documents and REAL facts before attempting publication on a very sensitive to the region issues. Also, learn more about the history on https://karabakh.org/karabakh-history/phryges-hayes-armenians-history-of-armenians-in-caucasus/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.198.251.24 (talk) 08:18, 22 November 2020 (UTC)


 * See the comments on two sections above, which largely apply to this case as well. If you have issues with what one of our articles says, and reliable sources to back up your position, please open a discussion on the article's talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 13:45, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

How to report false information like the last entry on this page?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_W._Brann — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.241.1.182 (talk) 09:32, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The last sentence of Matthew W. Brann is supported by three references, including an official court document which provides the "unhinged" statement. It is most unlikely that it will be removed. Maproom (talk) 10:28, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yet again we see that only information not supporting far-right politics gets called "false information". J I P  &#124; Talk 13:09, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * @JIP: It's fucking terrifying. 73 million people voted for him, mostly against their own interests and surely their own ethics if they weren't so insulated from reality as to not actually be aware, after four years, of his actual nature, policies and actions.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:40, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * It's not that they're unaware of it, and more that they actively support it because he's a useful idiot for the purposes of annihilating the coastal elites. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Takes a strong man to deny... 21:30, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * That's absolutely true of people like Mitch McConnell, et al., but not the majority of the electorate. The majority of Trump voters, for example, are people who have been and stand to be further devastated by erosion of, and if the elected republicans have their way, the wholesale removal of the social safety net, the deepening of the ever-increasing wealth gap, no regulation, climate change, and on and on.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:26, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

How to report false information like the claim in the entry above on this page?
--CiaPan (talk) 13:15, 22 November 2020 (UTC)


 * The place to propose improvements to any article content is on the Talk Page of that article. You will be expected to provide a reliable source for any assertion you wish to make.--Shantavira|feed me 14:17, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe User:CiaPan was looking to propose improvements to the Help Desk itself. J I P  &#124; Talk 14:28, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Replacing Permanent Dead Links
Hi Team, Hope you are staying safe.

Recently I was wondering if the "permanent dead link" could be replaced with a resourceful external link. Please let me know how this can be done.

Regards, Laterwan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laterwan (talk • contribs) 14:32, 22 November 2020 (UTC)


 * You can replace the dead URL inside a citation with a live URL to the IDENTICAL source. You can add a new citation (without removing the old one if the source is not identical but the new source supports the assertion that the old source supported: in this case you could also choose to remove the URL from the old source, leaving all of the other information (title, author, date, etc.) in the citation. If you are referring to standalone external links in an "external links" section, you can remove a dead link entirely. Separately, you can add a new external link, but external links are generally deprecated in favor of links used as references to specific facts. See External links. As to "how": you edit the article. This is easy for external links, harder for citations until you get the hang of it. see Help:Referencing for beginners. -Arch dude (talk) 17:05, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * This is not replacing a dead link, it's spamming. Praxidicae (talk) 17:08, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, that was absolutely linkspam. Many editors react very, very negatively to this, so you are at risk of getting blocked if you do it again. Worse: we are likely to blacklist the URL, so it will not be possible to use in anywhere in Wikipedia, even where the use would otherwise be legitimate. see WP:LINKSPAM. -Arch dude (talk) 17:43, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Judge Brann article
I made a donation yesterday. I sort of regret it after reading the biased anti-Trump article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.157.224 (talk) 14:43, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia works with what reliable sources say. If you're able to find reliable sources that support Trump, discuss it on the article's talk page. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  15:04, 22 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your donation. Donations are to the Wikimedia Foundation, which maintains the systems that host hundreds of different-language Wikipedia and other projects. Nobody editing Wikipedia has any knowledge of who has donated and how much: they are kept entirely separate, to avoid compromising Wikipedia's neutrality. If you wish to stop donating, that is of course your privilege. If you wish to be involved in improving Wikipedia, you are most welcome: Tenryuu has made a suggestion. --ColinFine (talk) 15:30, 22 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I'd like to add that none of the people who write the Wikipedia articles, regardless of their political views or their opinions about Donald Trump, ever get to see a single cent of the donations. They all go to the Wikimedia Foundation to maintain the systems. So the donations are no way to influence the article contents. J I P  &#124; Talk 15:37, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Why My Book draft Walking into the Mystery got rejected whereas it is genuine.
Kindly move my article to article space. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.102.122.22 (talk) 16:32, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Please read the reasons for declining and the accompanying comments. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  16:58, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Also see Notability (books) which explains the criteria for accepting articles about books. Theroadislong (talk) 17:09, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * And please always remind to log in. Using an IP adress rather than your account may qualify as WP:BADSOCK. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:10, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * No, editing while logged out is not sockpuppet, as long as there is no ill intent. See WP:LOGOUT RudolfRed (talk) 20:51, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * (and IP 14.102.122.22) Your book exists, yes. Many books exist. Millions of them. But there is no evidence of your book being Notable in Wikipedia's eyes. What there is, however, is this evidence that you will do anything to promote your book here. Please find another site, and don't try a stunt like that again here, or you may find your editing privileges withdrawn. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:42, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * approximately 2.2 million new book titles are published each year: see Books published per country per year. Only a tiny percentage of them meet Wikipedia's requirements for notability: see WP:NBOOK. Yours is not one of them. -Arch dude (talk) 19:27, 22 November 2020 (UTC)