Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 November 27

= November 27 =

Bill Bean Ministries for GOD
How do I pull up in my search the page(s) I made.... One is in my sandbox and the other was on the talk page...

I need to create an actual page for my boss.... Did I do the pages right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Warriorprincess4christ (talk • contribs) 04:00, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


 * There are several issues, starting with an obvious conflict of interest on your part. You are strongly discouraged from creating or editing articles where you have a compensated relationship or other external relationship. Additionally, Wikipedia articles must be sourced to independent references and may not be promotional in character.  Acroterion   (talk)   04:08, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Further reading: Paid editing, Conflict of interest — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  05:08, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The central issue is notability: See WP:N. A subject must be notable, or its article will be removed from Wikipedia. We remove more than 100 articles each day. Please do not waste any time on this effort (yours or ours) unless you first convince yourself that the subject meets our notability guidelines. If the subject is in fact notable, we can help you fix any other problems, but the most perfect article ever written will still be deleted if the subject is not notable. See WP:AMOUNT. -Arch dude (talk) 17:58, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * , you can find all your edits, including articles and pages you created, from your "Contributions" button (top right of the screen in the default skin).
 * Looking at your sandbox User:Warriorprincess4christ/sandbox/Bill Bean Ministries for GOD, I think you may hve a misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. Please understand that a Wikipedia article 1) does not belong to the subject, 2) is not for the benefit of the subject, or for the subject to reach a wider audience, 3) is not controlled by the subject and may be edited by anybody except the subject and their associates, 4) may therefore end up saying something very different from what the subject would like, and 5) should contain little or no content that comes from the subject: it should be almost entirely based on what people who have no connection with the subject, and have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. (This last is part of the reason for the notability criteria mentioned above by Arch dude.) --ColinFine (talk) 13:13, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Leaps by Bayer page
Hi there,

My name is Seán Gallen, I work as a copywriter for TLGG. Our client Leaps by Bayer would like to create their own Wikipedia page and I wanted to know if that would be attractive to Wikipedia, whether I should write it myself or request an article. I just wanted to check the process before we commit time and energy to writing the page. You can find out more about our client here: https://leaps.bayer.com/.

Thanks and all the best,

Seán — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sean Gallen 88 (talk • contribs) 10:47, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Thank you for being straightforward about your conflict of interest. Please read carefully WP:PAID before proceedings; paid editors must disclose their affiliation in a specific manner before contributing.
 * You should start by assessing whether your client meets the organization notability guidelines. In short, this means finding multiple sources that simultaneously (1) deal with the subject at length, (2) are reliable, and (3) are independent of the subject. In practice, for companies, 99% of the time this means articles from reputable newspapers; note that interviews from the CEO etc. are not considered independent of the subject. If you cannot find any such sources, it means Leaps by Bayer is not an appropriate subject for a Wikipedia article (at least yet), so do not even start writing. From a very quick online search, I found no adequate sources.
 * If you do find such sources, you can write an article draft. Go to WP:AFC and follow the steps. You should write the article only from the content of independent reliable sources (that is, meeting points (2) and (3) above, although at this step sources failing (1) are acceptable), and cite those sources in support of the assertions. You may carefully use sources related to the subject but only for uncontroversial points (for instance, the company's address or founding date).
 * You should also take care to adhere to a neutral point of view. The tone of a Wikipedia article should feel more like a microwave oven instruction sheet than a promotional brochure: cold, hard facts, no emotion.
 * If your draft article is declined, pay attention to the reason given by the reviewer: you should address it before resubmitting a new draft, otherwise it will be declined again. Tigraan Click here to contact me 11:06, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I recommend you also read the paragraph I posted in response the previous item on this page,, as it may affect what you choose to do. --ColinFine (talk) 13:15, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

RAF Fauld explosion
The geolocation/GPS pin on the map for this article is wrong. When looking at the page it shows the location to be in East Staffordshire, whereas it's much further south and in Lichfield. This is weird, because if you click the coords for geohack or copy them into Google Earth, it takes you to the exact correct location.

I don't know how this works - can somebody have a look? Is it unique to this article, or could it be a bigger issue? Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:39, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

I have never editted wikipedia
so I'd be doing this for the first time.

One of my main issues with the lgbtq movement is, as a gay man, I know it just does not reflect the real public opinion among gay men, or what their issues are.

Actually, a big part of the alleged "LGBTQ" movement is gay journalism. Which is journalism by gays who are employees of the mainstream media. Or, alternatively, you have special gay publications like The Advocate. However, a huge number of gay charities and political organizations are funded by corporations. Big Pharma makes astronomical profits off of gay men with HIV who need regular drugs. These drugs are priced unusually high compared to nearly all other drugs most people get. This results in corporations acting like an enormous special interest and exerting such extreme control via their funding of charities over the LGBTQ movement that issues pertaining to healthcare access among gay men, for instance, while they are extremely important issues to the lives of many gay men, simply are not talked about by a single member of the mainstream media or any of the gay charities. The illegal drug scene also plays a role. Where members of the LGBTQ movement all do crystal meth and exclude anyone who doesn't. And this results in Big Pharma exerting indirect control over the LGBTQ movement and over gay journalists.

I have at times -- especially before Obamacare -- visited gay men living in wretched conditions due to them not being able to work without losing their healthcare insurance and thus being forced on SSI which would give them incomes of only $800 a month which was barely enough to live on. They were also being warehoused in affordable housing projects run by well paid politically connected lesbians, and it was clear their lot in life was to be used as cash cows for Big Pharma and these lesbians who had connections. Whose money made "taking care" of gay men was given to them as political patronage, in return for their loyalty to various political players. And the government money these gay men "brought in" was essentially being controlled by lesbians and doled out to political loyalists. This is not unlike how Mass Incarceration creates huge numbers of jobs that are ultimately doled out to feminist loyalists who then play a key role in pushing for increasingly draconian criminal justice policies.

It is shocking to see what really occurs and shocking to see how badly the mainstream media simply refuses to cover these issues. And outrageous and disgusting to see how much the priorities of corporate america alone dictate these media cover ups of such issues.

How can I write about it, though? There are very few sources I could quote -- perhaps I could quote myself. I'm a victim of some of the criminal racketeering that goes on in the gay community, perpetrated by corporations, with attempted murders done on me to try to cover up what I knew. But one of the problems is the culture of silence in the media and in mainstream academia.

Another problematic issue. The LGBTQ movement fails to acknowledge the enormous role played by gender presentation and affect among the gay community. And I can speak for gay males. A very large portion of gay men are what they call 'straight acting,' meaning you cannot tell or can barely tell, through their mannerisms of speech, that they are even gay. And this is an extremely important topic. It looks like the gays who are more flaming or effeminate in mannerism and even gait somehow have more feminized brains with respect to speech and a few other issues. Such feminized brains being a characteristic that's "on top of" and independent of what your sexual orientation actually is.

The current LGBTQ movement which is currently bought off and bribed by corporations and who all spout the same mainstream narrative, they tend to be the more flaming gays who don't blend in. Very masculine gay men are excluded from the conversation for the most part. But, also, very feminine gays are also excluded. It is as if corporate america decided who they want to "allow in," and they want gays who are just gay sounding enough so you can tell they are gay and they are ghettoized as gay by mainstream society and social scenes. But who are only subtly gay sounding, so they still have somewhat of a mainstream appeal.

It is as if this is not a grass roots movement but a corporate sponsored one with employees chosen by big whigs in corporate america.

Gay men who are masculine and "blend in" can have troubles with women coming onto them and it being embarrassing. Also, a ton of the alleged intolerance and homophobia among straight men is actually intolerance of gay men who are overtly gay in their mannerisms, e.g., who are "flaming" or "geeky" sounding. Even worse, many straight men are not averse to flirting with masculine gay men, or sometimes playing games with them where they fake being gay via body language all the while luring them into making the first move so they can go insist they are straight and reject them. It is also very unclear, if you are a masculine gay man, how many of such men are actually closeted bi, or at the very least open minded enough to engage in some amount of sexual play with other men, however casual or limited.

Anyway could someone give me some tips as to how to best write about this? Also, this is an inquiry to the help desk yet looks like the editting of an article. Perhaps I need to hit "publish changes" and then see what happens. Are there any people who go filter what you edit?

I would want to publish a whole section on opposition to the (mainstream) LGBTQ rights campaigns from within the LGBTQ community, as a whole separate category.

One other issue. Transgender movement. This movement got a jump start right after the passage of Obamacare, going from zero to sixty in the course of less than a year. Previously, transgender issues were almost never discussed by the mainstream media. Suddenly they become discussed all the time, to the point to which they move to the front of the line and drown out all other LGBTQ issues. It is obvious, Obamacare changed insurance coverage in such a way so that the healthcare industry was suddenly able to realize vastly higher profits and revenues from transgender issues compared to before. And this and only this appears to have driven the sudden and widespread propelling of the transgender movement into the mainstream.

As a consumer movement controlled by the healthcare interests who happen to be PRODUCERS not consumers. This is as bad as Toyota deciding to be "Ralph Nader" and them being the ones who found the magazine "Consumer reports." We are a hugely litigious society, yet I have never heard of any transgender movement out there which seeks to ensure the bad doctors who perform lousy or botched surgeries are kept from the profession, and that patients are able to sue if they had their surgery botched and are no longer able to have sex properly.

I am not opposed to transgenderism in theory, but I am sure concerned that due diligence is not being exercised by the mainstream media, and concerned that patient exploitation could be sometimes going on, amid a mad rush for healthcare profits and revenues derived from transgenderism. I am concerned that mainstream academia may have a culture that refuses to rock the boat anytime any issue salient to healthcare and big pharma revenues are concerned, and that they will drop the ball regarding failing to be proper consumer advocates for transgender or potentially transgender individuals.

As far as I am concerned, there is no transgender consumer movement out there. There seems to be no acknowledgement of the healthcare industry as a hugely profitable special interest potentially driving and dominating the discussion of trans issues, and no acknowledgement that the concerns of transgenders as consumers of healthcare products should be regarded as separate and potentially in opposition to the interests of healthcare producers in this same arena.

And this, I note, is the exact same concern I have regarding the LGBTQ movement as it pertains to HIV positive gay men. Where, again, the enormous healthcare revenues derived from HIV create a powerful corporate lobby which captures and controls the LGBTQ movement, and prevents it from ever being a consumer led movement.

Indeed, I want to note that, many years ago, maybe around 2013, I looked up the board of GLAAD. 80 percent of GLAAD board members were working as Vice Presidents or Managers for Pharmaceutical Companies at that time. I remember commenting on that repeatedly online, as being outrageous. And making GLAAD hardly deserving to be considered part of the LGBTA movement but a corporate lobby instead. They since changed the composition of their board so it no longer is so heavily skewed towards Big Pharma, but still. I think it's outrageous that they could be so controlled by Big Pharma and not a single mainstream media publication would ever call them on it.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmschlom (talk • contribs) 13:19, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Sorry I doubt you will find many here willing to plough through the frankly enormous wall of text you have posted above. If you need actual help with editing Wikipedia, please explain briefly what we can assist you with. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:07, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is crowdsourced by thousands of anonymous editors (about 100,000 in the last 30 days). We have no mechanism, and no desire, to verify the identities or qualifications of these editors, including you. Therefore we require that all material in all articles to be verifible in a reliable published source. If those sources are biased, then Wikipedia is biased. The only way to fight this is to add material from a wide spectrum of reliable sources. Since you feel that our problem in these articles is a bias toward the LGBTQ journalists' point of view, this will be difficult for you. We are not interested in your personal point of view. -Arch dude (talk) 16:08, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Adding a photo to my page
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Frank_Rothwell_170_kg_winning_his_12th_Yorkshire_Championship_at_Leeds_1972.jpg Iam tryimg to add this photo to my page, please help. Frank Rothwell — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:ED81:6C00:907D:AB46:A3AD:6B2A (talk) 13:33, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * What difficulty are you encountering? There are no other edits by the IP address used to post here outside of this thread. If you go to the link you have posted, you will find a pre-formatted link by clicking on "use this file" by the Wikipedia logo in the toolbar toward the top of the page. However, you should also read WP:COI and make the necessary declarations. Eagleash (talk) 13:56, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Conversion Template Question
How do I use the convert template to achieve the following text: 16.5-acre (6.7-ha)? All my attempts have yielded error messages.

Many thanks

Twofingered Typist (talk) 14:24, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * gets close: 16.5 acres
 * Not sure that the hyphen between 6.7 and 'ha' in your example is correct.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 14:35, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 14:35, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! I was using acre not acres. Twofingered Typist (talk) 14:42, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

False Article
Tell me how can I removed the false article from Wikipedia.org — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mutalib bd (talk • contribs) 16:05, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * We will not remove an article about a notable subject. If an article contains unreferenced incorrect information, edit the article to remove it. If the information is referenced, do not remove it, but you may add contradicting information if you have a reference. You may discuss the article with other editors on the article's talk page. -Arch dude (talk) 16:15, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * An inappropriate edit like this is likely to lead to a block though. Theroadislong (talk) 16:27, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


 * . You seem to be trying to take an article about a cricketer and turn it into an article about somebody else: that is not the way to do it. If you have reliable sources about the other person, enough to establish that they are notable, then a separate article can be written --ColinFine (talk) 16:34, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * To be clear the edit created an attack page with derogatory content about someone with the same name. Theroadislong (talk) 16:38, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

contest speedy deletion
Hello, I created my Wikipedia page and it was tagged for speedy deletion. I don't know why this was done but I spent all day creating it and for ANYONE to come in and be able to delete is UNFAIR to the user that user account is not secure. I need ALL the content I created delivered to me and placed back on your website. Again, This is completely unfair that you do not secure your users page and anyone can just come and delete. Please contact me immediately with further instructions on how to contest this deletion and retrieve all my content for page titled JONNI VEGAZ. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JonniVegaz (talk • contribs) 16:37, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * First of all, your username implies that you are Jonni Vegaz. Writing an autobiography is strongly discouraged as it constitutes a COI. As I am not an administrator, I cannot view the deleted material but I can see it was deleted as promotional material, suggesting that you had written about yourself in an advertising way. I should also remind you that Wikipedia does not have 'pages', but rather articles, which should be sourced and written in an encyclopaedic way. If you want to write about yourself, your user page is a good place to start. Yours is User:JonniVegaz.  NonsensicalSystem (err0r?)(.log) 16:44, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * There is nothing "unfair" about it. We have policies and guidelines that apply to all articles, and these policies and guidelines were applied to your article. Please learn a little about these policies and guidelines before you put any more effort into editing Wikipedia. Start with WP:NOT. You should also read WP:OWN: one important policy is that articles are specifically not "secured". If you do not agree with our policies, then you should find a site that is better suited to your needs. -Arch dude (talk) 16:58, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

@Arch Dude it is unfair that I was not notified prior to deletion to at to have the chance to edit or at least learn specifically what part of my article was flagged for adjustments to be made accordingly, especially when article took a long time to write. How do I retrieve the content? @nonsencicalsystem I understand, How do I retrieve deleted content? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JonniVegaz (talk • contribs) 17:06, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Please advise at your earliest. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by JonniVegaz (talk • contribs) 17:43, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * You were notified on your user talk page. If an article is marked for speedy deletion and an administrator determines that it meets the criteria described in the speedy deletion notice, it may be deleted without delay or discussion. Speedy deletions are intended for articles or pages that are clearly inappropriate. In looking at your deleted content, I concur with the deletion. You may request a review at Deletion review, but I think the deletion will be upheld. 331dot (talk) 17:52, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * If you want to tell the world about yourself, you should use social media or some other alternative forum where that is permitted. See WP:AUTO. 331dot (talk) 17:53, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

I see where I made the mistake in my article. I will adjust accordingly. Is there any was to submit for pre approval to insure it has be revised correctly? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JonniVegaz (talk • contribs) 19:14, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * You can follow the steps at WP:YFA. This will show you how to create and submit a "Draft" article, which will then be reviewed constructively, as opposed to the fairly peremptory way we deal with an unacceptable article that suddenly appears in main space. I suggest that you start by looking at several existing articles of the same general subject type (hip-hop artists?) and then structure your article the same way as one that looks good to you. However, before you do anything else, is is critical that you make certain your subject is notable by our definition (WP:N). If it is not, then your article will not be acceptable, even if it is perfect in every other regard: see WP:AMOUNT, and maybe WP:TOOSOON. -Arch dude (talk) 19:44, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

I have taken your recommendation into consideration and have created another page. At your earliest convenience, Please review and let me know if I have followed your instructions accordingly. Please excuse my hostility earlier I just had spend a lot of time on it and when I saw it was deleted I panicked. Looking forward to your feedback. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by JonniVegaz (talk • contribs) 22:19, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Each of the 100,000 or so active editors, including me and you, are unpaid volunteers and each of us does whatever tasks we feel like doing, with essentially no hierarchy and no central coordination. I like to answer help desk questions, but I don't particularly like to review drafts. When you submit a draft for review, one of the editors who does like to do reviews will eventually decide to review it. -Arch dude (talk) 04:20, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia
Just wanted let you know that I used to donate to Wikipedia as I valued what it gave and the principles behind it. However in recent years the site offers more and more biased opinions rather than pure neutral information. Where has the objectivity gone? Very disappointing. Cannot rely on anything read on this site anymore.

Just letting you know why I am not donating anymore, as you keep sending me emails asking for donations.

With regards,

Anna Hirvilammi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.76.143.10 (talk) 16:40, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * We cannot help you with generalities. If you see a specific problem in a specific article, then comment on the problem on the article's talk page. -Arch dude (talk) 16:49, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not claim to be free of bias, as everyone has biases. As Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state, any bias in sources will be reflected in Wikipedia. The sources are presented to the reader so they can evaluate and judge them for themselves as to bias. If you just want to be told what you want to hear, this isn't the place for you.
 * Donations are collected by the Wikimedia Foundation that operates the computers Wikipedia is on; we have nothing to do with it, so donating is your decision. Wikipedia does not send emails for donations as far as I am aware. 331dot (talk) 17:59, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Someone is threatening to remove a page and is asking for money = extortion! How to report this?
Help, an evildoer is threatening to remove a page and is trying to extort money from the person the page is describing (even though, of course, that person didn't create or edit his own page). How do I report this bad person so he no longer has access to edit in Wikipedia and is blacklisted? --- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reiff (talk • contribs) 19:17, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * What page is this regarding and how did you receive the threat? If the page is deleted without consensus, you can go to WP:DRV to ask for it to be restored.  RudolfRed (talk) 19:27, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * please see Articles for creation/Scam warning. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:49, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, he got the threat by email. Is there any way to get that person banned from Wikipedia? 13:40, 28 November 2020 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reiff (talk • contribs)
 * The person should contact the Arbitration Committee by email as described in the scam warning page linked above. They may also want to consider contacting their local authorities, though what they can do may be limited. 331dot (talk) 14:22, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Wrong and Hate information in the Etymology section
Muhil.malaiyaman (talk) 19:19, 27 November 2020 (UTC)Very false statements in the Etymology section about the caste of parkavakulam or Udayar. Some people purposefully edited the wiki page and spreading the hate information against the Udayar caste. Udayar or Parkavakulam or Nathaman people are not potters or Pott makers. It's a wrong information. They are currently doing agriculture and most of the people of this community are big landlords. That's what they are calling as Udayar. Please revert the changes in the below wiki link https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udayar_(caste)
 * Discuss this on the article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 19:29, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

User page which offers edits for pay
Today I came across a user page which states that the user is willing to "consider paid-to-edit opportunities". I know paid editing is allowed (with proper disclosures), but is soliciting such work on a user's page okay? I'm genuinely unsure and this looked like the right place to ask.199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:28, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * User_pages says that "Editors may not use their userspace to solicit compensation for their Wikipedia contributions" but I am not sure how that is generally interpreted. RudolfRed (talk) 19:33, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


 * This editor has been busy at Kipsigis people which is not a good advertisement for Wikipedia editing skills. I suspect the comment is made more in hope than expectation.  Velella  Velella Talk 20:06, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * So consensus is that it's probably not okay, but also probably not a big deal? I can dig it. Thanks! 138.163.0.43 (talk) 22:57, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

wrong photo of Marco d’amico
there is a wrong photo in the article of Marco d’amico https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_D%27Amore — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.0.201.119 (talk) 19:43, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

There is no photo in the Marco D'Amico article. Your link is to the Marco D'Amore article. -Arch dude (talk) 19:56, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Probably the OP is seeing to a Google knowledge panel, which is not from Wikipedia. —teb728 t c 13:19, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't be the first time someone has complained about the Knowledge Graph pulling the wrong image from somewhere else. The problem is, most people assume the Knowledge Graph pulls exclusively from Wikipedia. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Takes a strong man to deny... 21:02, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Where to suggest a new script
Is there a common place where one can suggest a new script, a place frequented by editors who are interested in writing useful scripts? &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  21:03, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Try WikiProject_JavaScript. RudolfRed (talk) 21:14, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll try that. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  22:11, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

How do I get rid of Young Kidd’s notability guideline
I’m trying to figure out how to get rid or Young Kidd’s notability guideline. If someone could help me do it or show me how that would be appreciated. — Preceding Wikieditor6557 comment added by Wikieditor6557 (talk • contribs) 23:54, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Does Young Kidd meet the criteria at WP:NMUSIC? If so, the box at the top may be removed.  I suggest starting a discussion on the artcle's talk page to get consensus on that.  RudolfRed (talk) 00:16, 28 November 2020 (UTC)