Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 October 1

= October 1 =

Firefox issue
I use a VPN for an online learning course because they rate limit connections from outside their country. They happily sell the courses to people outside of that country but the videos are unwatchable due to constant buffering from their content hoster. After i turned it on yesterday, I happened to come to wikipedia to edit today (VPN is off, I never edited wikipedia while it was enabled), and wikipedia says I'm caught in a range block. The VPN Is windscribe and I use their firefox browser plugin. I've verified the VPN is off, and even visited ipchicken and ipchicken shows the address that I'm currently editing from. I can even edit my own talk page, which seems to be a clear indication that wikipedia ses my correct address, yet, when I try to edit any other page on wikipedia it says I'm caught in a range block which doesn't match the current address I'm using, instead I see this message "Editing from 104.254.92.0/22 has been blocked (disabled) by ‪ST47‬ for the following reason(s):" I'm currently editing from Chrome, but chrome is not my main browser, so obviously my IP isn't actually blocked. I cleared cookies in firefox and restarted it, and I've triple checked, the VPN is turned off (otherwise Ipchicken wouldn't be showing this as my IP address). Any ideas?--125.129.16.99 (talk) 00:55, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * A quick search says that Windscribe is also a proxy in addition to VPN, so it may still be rerouting your traffic. Try removing the plugin and see if that makes it work again.  RudolfRed (talk) 01:09, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No change, completely removed the plugin, restarted the browser, it's still claiming I'm in that block. I've used windscribe tons of times in between editing wikipedia before, so I'm not sure why it thinks that now.--125.129.16.99 (talk) 01:13, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm confused. Your post above, and other edits to talk and article pages a few minutes earlier from the same IP address, were all successful. Are you saying that those are being done with a different browser (Chrome?) and that the problem occurs when you try to use Firefox? Does it also happen with a Firefox "Private window"? My experience with VPNs is limited to those that integrate with the network stack directly. Assuming it happen in a "Private window", I'm guessing that the plugin needs to be disabled from somewhere in the Firefox settings (maybe by disabling it in the [about:addons Addons] config?). You may need to talk to the VPN's support people and/or remove/reinstall Firefox. —[  Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 01:34, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * That's correct. If I try to edit through firefox, which I've done numerous times, I get a message saying I'm blocked. These edits and the recent article edit are all being done via Chrome. In firefox my IP address is showing correctly when I visit websites that display my IP address (like ipchicken), and when I edit my talk page, the wikipedia system seems to be aware that I'm on this IP address (otherwise why would it let me edit that talk page?) but when I try to edit any other page, it claims I'm in a blocked range on firefox. The talk page edits were done in the firefox browser.--125.129.16.99 (talk) 02:35, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

As a further test here, I've reinstalled the windscribe plugin and tried to access wikipeda via various locations, just to see what happens. When I choose specific locations, the blocked messsage changes to match those locations. When I disconnect, it goes back to claiming I'm in this 104 IP block when I'm clearly not. This is very strange.--125.129.16.99 (talk) 05:05, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I just solved this. Previously I called up the cookies in firefox, hit remove and then tried to access and it didn't work. this time I used the "save changes" button after removing the new cookies and got a different pop up. After doing that, I can now edit again via firefox. It seems like the cookies weren't properly being removed earlier, and this was a cookie problem.--125.129.16.99 (talk) 05:09, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

specific dead link scenario
hello wiki users. while editing the page for john edward robinson, i came across a specific citing issue i don't know how to fix. a specific source was cited multiple times on the page, but the link was down. i was able to find an archive of the page (and edited the citation accordingly), but only page 1 of the 16-page article was archived, meaning that most of the information on the wikipedia page cannot be verified. i don't want to list it as a dead link, as there is still one page; should i just remove the citation on information that is no longer available, or is there a way to list a link as partially dead? thank you so much for your help :) --Vaporwaveboyfriend (talk) 02:38, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Link: John Edward Robinson
 * I've replaced the archive url with a better, complete one from archive.org. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 03:50, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Attempt to erase jesus christ from history
I strongly oppose the betrayal of jesus christ by wikipedia. It is a matter of pain among millions of christians in this world that wikipedia is trying to erase jesus from the history by changing ad and bc into bc and bce. Wikipedia will have to face its consequence. You can expect cyber attack — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.39.77.236 (talk) 04:09, 1 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Please see MOS:ERA. Wikipedia is, in no way shape or form, erasing anything. As to cyber attacks they won't be the first or the last. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 04:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Which branch of Christianity advocates cyber attacks? Jesus had something to say about that sort of behavior. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:31, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * IP: There's real, serious, life-ending human-rights persecution going on in the world, and you pick on nomenclature whose purpose is to be inclusive. Brilliant. —[  Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 15:56, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

I want to create wikipedia of Birla Group
I want to create wikipedia of Birla Group (Redacted) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhishekkk1989 (talk • contribs) 05:38, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello . Please do not post personally identifying information. Begin by reading Your first article and carefully following the policies and guidelines and the good advice that you will find there. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  05:49, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . Are you trying to create an article about Aditya Birla Group? If so, there is already an article on the subject. —teb728 t c 06:28, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Kolachalam Venkata Rao
I have created an article in my user sandbox. Will this article automatically get converted into a Wiki Page on successful review or Is there any procedure that I could do ? Keerthiblore (talk) 06:29, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I would suggest you move it from its present location to Draft:Kolachalam Venkata Rao. Rao is clearly a notable person, but the draft does need improvement in various ways. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  07:42, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

adding 'draft namespace'
Hi, I am writing an article https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Phil_Coy&oldid=976360918 and in order to help the process I want to "add tags to a draft" This process reveals the error: Please check the draft page title. It doesn't seem to be in draft namespace

I would be grateful if someone could explain how to edit the draft so that it is 'in draft namespace'

many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silly soul (talk • contribs) 09:52, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The item is at Draft:Phil Coy and is awaiting review. All that's need is 'patience' :P. Done some quick tidying of formatting, order etc. Eagleash (talk) 10:47, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation, and making those changes, I have added the tags now too. Silly soul (talk) 12:39, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Michael Nicholson
Hi, I have tried to submit a listing on Wiki, but have been disappointed to get mutliple replies that are quite angry actually. Is it possible to correspond with someone who is a bit more sympathetic to my cause please? In my submission below l have tried very hard to take all the right steps and follow the various guidelines. Regards, Mike.

Michael Nicholson [Film maker]

Michael Nicholson [born 1954] is an Australian film maker, writer and artist. Nicholson set up and worked on 'Rubbery Figuers' [similar to Spitting Image] with his brother, cartoonist and sculpter, Peter Nicholson, in 1985 for the Australian Broadcasting Comission and the TV series 'Fast Forward', 1985 - 1990.

Contents: 1. Rubbery Figures and assorted short films and two feature length documentaries. 2. www.mikenicholson.com [see films, art and writing in this archived website]. 3. References: www.michaeljohnnicholson.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/news-march-2021.pdf

External links; Nicholson - archived website www.mikenicholson.com See also Olympics, Sydney Olympics film, 'Olympiad Abstracto' [Starring Sir Steve Redgracve] and Rowing Films, London Olympics and Rio Olympics. See also Joyce Nicholson, author, publisher and feminist. Michael John Nicholson (talk) 04:28, 1 October 2020 (UTC) Michael John Nicholson (talk)
 * I would suggest that you not attempt to write about yourself, while not forbidden, it is strongly discouraged per the autobiography policy(please review). Wikipedia, to be frank, is not interested in what someone wants to say about themselves, but only in what independent reliable sources have chosen on their own to say about someone, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. Specifically, in your case, the definintion of a notable creative professional. Most people have great difficulty in writing about themselves as if they know nothing about themselves other than what they read in the news or other reputable, independent reliable sources. If you truly meet the definition of a notable creative professional and are written about significantly in independent sources, an independent editor will eventually take note of your career and choose to write about you.
 * I would also note that a Wikipedia article about yourself is not necessarily desirable; there are good reasons to not want one. 331dot (talk) 11:59, 1 October 2020 (UTC)


 * You have been repeatedly told how to do this, or more appropriately, how not to, if you are notable someone unconnected with you will write an article, your sources above suggest that you are NOT notable yet, please stop spamming Wikipedia with your requests. Theroadislong (talk) 12:03, 1 October 2020 (UTC)


 * OP's actions: - "Can I have an article?" - "How much do I have to pay to have an article?" - "But there's an article about my brother!" - Attempting an article about himself (that wouldn't even make it to AfD) in all the wrong places. - Ignoring every explanation along the way as to where he's going wrong. I have plugged this timesink. If OP shows the slightest interest in working on anything else, unblock him.  If he even indicates that he wants write about himself but will actually pay attention to what people say instead of just begging for us to do it and pointing to articles that also need to be deleted, sure, I'm not gonna wheel-war if you unblock him. Ian.thomson (talk) 12:16, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Russian Nationalist
Hello I want complaint two Russian nationalist they want and take always sources from Russian autours. Kansas Bear have also Russian Warship flags on their profil. It has to do with 1676-1681 Türkish-Russo War. This war won the Ottoman Empire and they move result from Ottoman victory to indecisive.

In book of Davies L. Brian Davies, Brian L., Warfare, state and society on the Black Sea steppe, 1500-1700, Routledge, 2007 page number 172 is written Ottoman victory.

Summary of this war: The 1676-1681 Ottoman-Russian War, or Muscovite Campaign, was the first great war between the Ottoman Empire and the Russian Tsardom. During this war, Merzifonlu Kara Mustafa Pasha became the grand vizier. As a result of the 5-year war, the Russian Tsardom, which could not be strengthened was defeated, and with the Treaty of Bakhchisarai on January 31, 1681, Chyhyryn Fortress and the rest of the Ukraine were left to the Ottomans.

Also in Italian, Polish, Romanian, Azerbaijan and Türkish Wikipedia is result Ottoman victory written.

Kansas Bear User ID: 2731577 Irpen User ID: 69761 both are Russian Nationalist and they want own English Wikipedia.

Sources and further reading
 * Davies, Brian L., Warfare, state and society on the Black Sea steppe, 1500-1700, Routledge, 2007.
 * Paxton, John e John Traynor, Leaders of Russia and the Soviet Union, Taylor & Francis Books Inc., 2004. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KanaKaNn (talk • contribs) 15:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

1676 1681 Turkish Russo War
Hello I want complaint two Russian nationalist they want and take always sources from Russian autours. Kansas Bear have also Russian Warship flags on their profil. It has to do with 1676-1681 Türkish-Russo War. This war won the Ottoman Empire and they move result from Ottoman victory to indecisive.

In book of Davies L. Brian Davies, Brian L., Warfare, state and society on the Black Sea steppe, 1500-1700, Routledge, 2007 page number 172 is written Ottoman victory.

Summary of this war: The 1676-1681 Ottoman-Russian War, or Muscovite Campaign, was the first great war between the Ottoman Empire and the Russian Tsardom. During this war, Merzifonlu Kara Mustafa Pasha became the grand vizier. As a result of the 5-year war, the Russian Tsardom, which could not be strengthened was defeated, and with the Treaty of Bakhchisarai on January 31, 1681, Chyhyryn Fortress and the rest of the Ukraine were left to the Ottomans.

Also in Italian, Polish, Romanian, Azerbaijan and Türkish Wikipedia is result Ottoman victory written.

Kansas Bear User ID: 2731577 Irpen User ID: 69761 both are Russian Nationalist and they want own English Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KanaKaNn (talk • contribs) 15:20, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , I assume the article in question is Russo-Turkish War (1676–1681)? It looks like there has been a slow burning edit war over if the infobox should say "Ottoman victory" or "indecisive" since 2016, so about 4 years now.  Prior to 2015, the result field in the infobox just linked to Treaty of Bakhchisarai.  In November of 2015,  added the "indecisive" label citing A Military History of Russia: From Ivan the Terrible to the War in Chechnya, (Greenwood Publishing, 2006), 41;"The indecisive Russo-Turkish War from 1676-1681 centered on the control of the fortress of Chigirin, just west of the Dnepr River."  In January 2016 an IP user changed it to "decisive Ottoman Victory" without changing the "cited" source. In 2017  was blocked for 31 hours for edit warring on the same article, presenting the same source you cite above in very similar language.  Out of curiosity, are you the same person as Historiker123454?  If so and you've just forgotten your password or something, I suggest you make a note of that on your userpage.  Please note, that what other Wikipedias say has no bearing on what the English Wikipedia says.  I reccomend you visit Talk:Russo-Turkish War (1676–1681), present the Brian Davies source and any other academic sources you have that support your position (i.e. not other Wikipedias), and see if you can build consensus for your position, perhaps with a WP:RFC.  In the alternative, if there actually is scholarly disagreement about the result of that war, the best thing might be to return the infobox to its pre 2015 state where it just said Treaty of Bakhchisarai in the result field. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 16:01, 1 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Actually, this editor has used different accounts, namely;Hakan255, Historiker123454, and 45.136.170.188 to edit war since they are unable to provide a quote from Davies, Brian L., Warfare, state and society on the Black Sea steppe, 1500-1700, Routledge, 2007 page number 172.
 * Since they have been unable to edit war their opinion into the article, they have resorted to posting battleground comments throughout Wikipedia.
 * FYI, I'm not Russian and my flag is the flag of Scotland. Click on the link and that is what it says. Pretty much done with trolls, battleground comments, and PAs(accusation of sockpuppetry)! --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:23, 1 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Note: KanaKaNn has been blocked as WP:NOTHERE. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 17:23, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Correct mis-named uploaded image
Re: Commons Wikimedia File:Sandra Cason ("Casey" Hayden).jpg. Some time ago I uploaded a police mug shot which I mistakenly identified as being that of Casey Hayden. It is actually a picture of another 1960s-era civil rights activist Joan Trumpauer Mulholland, and I have since placed as an image in her Wiki entry. But it is still identified on Commons Wikimedia as Sandra Cason ("Casey" Hayden) and so comes up in general browser image searches under her name. How can I correct this--go back into Wikimedia and rename, or delete and reload as Joan Trumpauer Mulholland?

ThnaksManfredHugh (talk)


 * Hi, . You'll need to request that at Commons (which is a separate project from Wikipedia). See Commons:Commons:File renaming. --ColinFine (talk) 17:10, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Proud Boys
False information presented, edits not allowed. Proud Boys are not Neo Facist, not a hate group. They only try to protect innocent Americans from being beaten or killed by the organized Facist Antifa group who have attacked innocent people without provocation, as well as the self proclaimed Marxist Communist Black Lives Matter who attacked snd viciously beat and killed many innocent Americans of every Color... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Woke American (talk • contribs) 18:03, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , the proper place to discuss this would be Talk:Proud Boys. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 18:07, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Pretty much everything they said isn't true, so I wouldn't worry about it. 331dot (talk) 22:30, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

2020-21 NBA transactions
Can You Fix The Error on What I Just Made Please. 68.102.42.216 (talk) 22:57, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * List of 2020–21 NBA season transactions at Special:Diff/981379337. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 23:31, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

How to get image deleted?
Hi there, I was just wondering whether I am able to request to have an image permanently deleted from my profile on Wikipedia.

Look forward to hearing back from you.

Regards, Maisie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mnankivell99 (talk • contribs) 00:58, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , you do not have a user or user talk page on this Wikimedia project, so you would have to be more specific. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  06:10, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

How to look up?
how can I look up lynete zang at itm trading? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:2C20:ECE0:DCF6:7761:9852:98A7 (talk) 21:17, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * We don't appear to have an article on ITM Trading, so it doesn't seem we'll be able to help you here. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  06:10, 5 October 2020 (UTC)